Champion vs Superman

Even at his greatest potential I wouldn't put him in FP Tyrant weight class.

Well, its hard to imagine a non-jobbing Champion as he's jobbed in just about every appearance. Truthfully, he should be able to beat Superman to death rather easily. He's a better fighter, never tires, cant die, and is durable as hell.

He's an Elder of the Universe and should pummel the kryptonian in my opinion.

Originally posted by tkitna
Well, its hard to imagine a non-jobbing Champion as he's jobbed in just about every appearance. Truthfully, he should be able to beat Superman to death rather easily. He's a better fighter, never tires, cant die, and is durable as hell.

He's an Elder of the Universe and should pummel the kryptonian in my opinion.

I dont see why not, if any character deserved a upgrade it would be a character like Champion. A full potential Champion that is written well should be beyond herald level approaching the powers of someone like tyrant...but its something we will never see.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I dont see why not, if any character deserved a upgrade it would be a character like Champion. A full potential Champion that is written well should be beyond herald level approaching the powers of someone like tyrant...but its something we will never see.

Im just saying that Champ is not really represented the way he should be, IMO I think he should be ubber PC kryptonian powerful...or better yet be as powerful as someone like Composite Superman

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im just saying that Champ is not really represented the way he should be, IMO I think he should be ubber PC kryptonian powerful...or better yet be as powerful as someone like Composite Superman

The notion that the Champion "should" be this or that is irrelevant.

He's lost to the Silver Surfer multiple times.

Drax knocked him out with one punch.

Thanos embarrassed him. Multiple times.

Amped She-Hulk destroyed him.

Regardless of what he SHOULD be, it's quite clear what he presently is.

So then how powerful do U think Champion should be, like if hes at full potential and not jobbing how strong do u think he should be?...herald level, mid tier, beyond herald level?

If I had my way he'd be every bit as dangerous as, say, the Runner.

The only times the Champion's ever looked respectable is when he's had the gem. Using it he's got wins over the Surfer, Adam Warlock... Thanos seemed incapable of beating him in a direct fight, but outsmarted him regardless.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
He'd probably ass rape Sentry then if that's the case at full potential. 🙂

My goodness. If I didnt know any better, i'd swear that comment was directed personally towards me since it has nothing to do with the thread. 😉

Originally posted by tkitna
My goodness. If I didnt know any better, i'd swear that comment was directed personally towards me since it has nothing to do with the thread. 😉

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
He beat Colossus, and Sassy easily, I'll admit.
The others he only BFR'd, or Thor got disqualified.

He was beating Thor.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Plus, throwing people off you=beating? Eh?

No no no no. You dont get it. He EASILY threw them off and this is something Superman could not do because Thor would himself would give him trouble.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Thor only thrusted his hammer into his body... hardly a full shot from Thor, and hardly enough to write it off as pis.

I didnt say that the Thor fight was PIS...I said Thing hitting harder than Thor hammer is PIS. So Thor was pulling his punches, no he wasnt.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

If Champ was hurt by that, then he would have gotten his head smashed in by [b]actual hammer shots by Thor. 🙂[/B]

Your blowing it out of proportion diod you see Champion screaming agnoy or was he just slightly winded?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

If he can't concentrate, or doesn't have enough time to use his attack, then it would be pretty hard.

Are you going to be thinking of teleporting when you get about three Hulk haymakers in the face in about a second?

I could say the samething about thrwoing a punch. If hes skilled in teleportation he will be skilled enough to do it even if hes getting punched

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

No. It just hasn't happened in like... 20 years, so why would he use it now?
Especially since Champion has honor... 😐

Its still canon.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

That must make Deathstroke a god...

So Mantis still tripped up Runner, period.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Runner must have also been going pretty damn fast, since Mantis had enough time to say 18 words before the trip...

Oh do me a favour, thats just how it was written. Are you serious so Runner was moving so slow that Mantis had time to speak. Oh I know so when you see people dodging bullets, and their talking the bullets are going in slow motion.....sheesshshhh.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

And the main point is, Mantis only gave him a punch, and it deflected off his arm, and he grabbed her hand.

Oh I see he didnt block it...it deflected off his arm now...oh I get it.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

She knows he's a deadly opponent?

Well shes an integalactc traveller and had been spying on the elders. Even if she didnt know. You see some giant alien coming towards you your not going to mess around because you doint know what hes capable of so you would be weary.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

That must make all holds the same then. 🙂

No but it still doent change tha fact that Thor wasnt fast enough to do it and Champion was.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

After Thor caught him, Champion had to take away the hammer right away... 😐

Yeah but he was still winning.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Because he had to BFR him, because he didn't want to fight him?

Even if, it was a joke.

Not because he was scared though was it.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

He congratulated Sassy after he dodged his punch. It doesn't take away the fact that Sassy dodged it.
Plus, even if he was toying. His aim must have to get 300% better if he's wishing to even punch a focused Superman's cape.

He wasnt taking it serioulsy he even said that sassy was boring him you are forgetting the context of the fight.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

He also couldn't hit Thanos... and Thanos was toying with him... and weaker than he is now. 🙂

Not written properly what happened to his ability to teleport objects when he was stranded in space all of a sudden he forgot he could do that. Thanos stated that Champion fought like the Hulk but despite the fcat that the Champion didnt want the Hulk because he had no finese.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

And if Superman was standing there like a douche... no wait, no he wouldn't.

Yeah of course I was going to assume that Superman would stand still.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

If Thor was fighting smart, he would have probably crushed Champ... judging by him hurting Champ with a tiny thrust of course. 🙂

Yes because Champion was writhing in agony. Champion was on the floor gasping for breath. Champion almost passed out. Oh I remember Champion was sligthly winded.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Champion wanted to fight Thor with his hammer? What's this then?
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9648/marveltwoinoneannual072ky3.jpg

My bad its like early in the am here. Thor would have still lost the hammer didnt even hurt him that much just winded him.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Sassy was beginning to bore Champ? Wow! That must put him at liek galacTus level!!1

Yeah because thats the point I was trying to make. Oh I know Sas is tough class 100 brick and Champion was toying with him which makes Champion tough.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

Anyway... back to your 'point'... Champion got beat by She-Hulk, got ruffed up by Thing, seemingly had to think of a way out of Thor's fight, got two shotted by Surfer, gets one-shotted by Drax with the PG, embarrassed by Thanos (who actually is toying with him), etc.
When it happens quite often, and starts to override the good feats in numbers, then it stops being pis, and starts being delusion. 🙂

I can give you numerous example were Apoc has jobbed.....for example ducking from a table. Oh right so because Apoc ducked from a table and it happened in a comic that means its ok? Hell even if its happens numerous times it can still be PIS but you have to look at the powerset of the character.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

However, I find it cute you had to bring up Captain America out of nowhere. 🙂

You completely missed the point didnt you....

No you dont get it. If Cap beat Shang chi and then get beaten by a street thug what would you think. Thats why She-Hulk beating him is PIS because hes beaten opponents far more dangerous. Thing breaking his ribs is PIS because Thing does not punch harder than Thors hammer. Thats the whole point of PIS.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Neither does Champion beating Superman... because it's got nothing to do with this thread. 🙂

Your right. I forgot we were talking about Superman. Nobody in Marvel can even come close to beating him. Sorry for my lapse in memory. Carry On. 😎

Originally posted by tkitna
Your right. I forgot we were talking about Superman. Nobody in Marvel can even come close to beating him. Sorry for my lapse in memory. Carry On. 😎

Superman could beat him with other powers but not with his sytrength in my opinion.

Superman could beat him with a fart. Come on now Alfheim, you realize this is Superman being talked about on KMC dont you? You really should have known better.

Originally posted by tkitna
Superman could beat him with a fart. Come on now Alfheim, you realize this is Superman being talked about on KMC dont you? You really should have known better.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Superman could beat him with other powers but not with his sytrength in my opinion.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And Captain America should be at Thanos level IMO... it doesn't make it right... or even close to being right.

Thats a terrible example Champion is an Elder of the universe. Cap is just an enhanced human. 😬

Ares is the God of war didnt stop him from getting one-shotted by the hulk.