Can Thor beat either of these 2 heroes?

Silver Surfer
Superman

I know these fights have been done to death, but my question is, how can Thor possibly beat someone who can move nearing the speed of light? I have no doubt, if speed wasn't a factor he would pwn them, but they seem too fast. I know Thor has beat the Surfer twice...I'm not interested in evidence from comic book battles between these characters.

I'm more interested in how Thor even HITS either of these characters.

Any thoughts?

I have many.

Yourself?

Originally posted by B.A
I have many.

Yourself?

Not really.

Well, lets say a character can move the speed of light, and can deliver the kind of damage supes or surfer can. imo they can only be defeated by people who can do the same thing.

He swings his hammer at FTL speeds.

Just like how he can fly at 3x lightspeed.

Thor can get wins.

Surfers SOL travel isn't very sophisticated. He can only move during it, he cant fight or multi-task at FTL.

surfer yes
Superman no (in most incarnations anyway)

Originally posted by grey fox
Surfers SOL travel isn't very sophisticated. He can only move during it, he cant fight or multi-task at FTL.

I agree somewhat...Surfer has no speedblitz feats with his fist, maybe a one shot moving at great speeds, but i have not seen him fight in a lightning speed like way

Superman however has many speedblitz feats with his fist and also multitasking, i remember when supes was fighting at lightning speeds and using heat vision, and frost breath....very impressive(training with monguls's son)

Thor has hundreds if not thousands of years of fighting, add to it his hammer

He can beat them.

Just not for anything resembling a majority.

Silver surfer yes...... i seem to remember him takeing on both warlock and surfer at the same time

superman is weak against magic isnt he at thors current strengh levels he doesnt realy stand a chance

Originally posted by llagrok
He swings his hammer at FTL speeds.

Just like how he can fly at 3x lightspeed.

it has been stated many times that Thor moves faster than light, and almost as fast as thought, when he wants to.

do i feel like arguing about that right now? no.

I really don't see Thor getting many (if at all) victories against an all-out Superman mostly because of the speed disadvantage.

And I've always seen him and Surfer around the same level.

Originally posted by Horrificus
they just ignored this.

it has been stated many times that Thor moves faster than light, and almost as fast as thought, when he wants to.

do i feel like arguing about that right now? no.

never heard this. any evidence from comics? references? thanks.

Originally posted by Horrificus
they just ignored this.

it has been stated many times that Thor moves faster than light, and almost as fast as thought, when he wants to.

do i feel like arguing about that right now? no.

Speed of light > Speed of thought.

Further, Thor can travel at superluminal speeds, and even twirl his hammer at said speeds.

That doesn't mean he has true superspeed, though.

Originally posted by Soljer
Speed of light > Speed of thought.

Further, Thor can travel at superluminal speeds, and even twirl his hammer at said speeds.

That doesn't mean he has true superspeed, though.

Any reference to Thor moving at superluminal speeds? Could you post them?

Thor could and would probably win any match one-on-one against one of this two.

Originally posted by Old-Wizard.com
Any reference to Thor moving at superluminal speeds? Could you post them?

without PIS/CIS i dont think Thor can beat Surfer..

Superman.. he can possibly beat

Originally posted by Terryc250
without PIS/CIS i dont think Thor can beat Surfer..

Superman.. he can possibly beat

Why not? He whipped his ass when he was in Warrior Madness, now that he isn't holding back and has returned, his strength should be at where it was in WM mode.

All WM did was allow him to use his full strength, he used to hold back so much you'd think he needs a hall pass to attack someone full force.

Originally posted by Terryc250
without PIS/CIS i dont think Thor can beat Surfer..

Superman.. he can possibly beat

You don't think Thor can beat the Surfer once? Out of ten? Out of a hundred?

Come on.