Originally posted by janus77
so, do you think trying to mind-control or TP attack the Hulk will result in an angrier Hulk?what happens if he gets too angry and starts emitting gamma radiation like he was doing towards the end of WWH #5?
Will an orgasm attack honestly make the Hulk angrier or would it calm him down? Or his serotonin levels for that matter?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That doesn't mean telepathy would be utterly useless against him which is my point in the first place. Mind Blasts will work on him. So should an orgasm attack.
Yeah but most likely he would resist them. Sexual arousal is a similar state to anger...Hulk resisted Man-beast hate. Furthmore why dindt Selene blast Hulk again?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I never said that they could. But the point of the matter is he's not immune to a synapse attack.
Hes not immune to brute force either...doesnt mean its gonna stop him.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakOr he could get KO'd and then adapt that would still count as a win for MM.
Possibly but looking at his track record and considering this is the most powerful version...probably not.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
First of all Emma didn't mind control anyone in that arc. Scott = Turned Scott into a Zombie. Wolverine = Regression into a child. Beast = Regression into a primative form. Kitty = Lodged 3 years of memories into Kitty's head. Mind blasted Colossus.
..................those are forms of mind control....except the mindblast
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't see what the point you're trying to make here is? Mind Control goes either way in comics depending on the writer. Which is why I said 9 times out of 10 mind control fails.Shadow King and Storm. Do you know how many times Storm has resisted the mind control of a Shadow King level telepath? Elias Bogan as well. Storm has resisted the mind control of Elias Bogan(Above Xavier level telepath) acting through Rachel Grey. Sage also has an indomniable will just like Storm. Cassandra Nova failed to mind control Wolverine and Beast. Again that's another top tier telepath failing at mind control.
Hulk has been controlled before by mind control. He's also fought off mind control. Every character has feats like this. Mind Control is very inconsistent. Which is why 9/10 times out of ten the telepath will fail. Every character has low and high showings regarding telepathy. Even the Hulk.
Second of all everyone is capable of resisting mind control. It depends on the writer as all characters have high and low showings regarding mind control.
Ok but I would say he probably has highier showings than low shoiwngs....and remember this is the strongest version.
Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]Yeah but most likely he would resist them. Sexual arousal is a similar state to anger...Hulk resisted Man-beast hate. Furthmore why dindt Selene blast Hulk again?
How do you resist a mind blast and orgasm attack? He hasn't shown that type of resistance before. He fought off an emotional attack through a psi-link it hurt him though. How's he going to stop someone from giving an orgasm via his biological functions?
Hulk has low showings regarding his biological functions being effected as well. No adaptation here:
To further the plot. The same reason why Selene didn't use any of her other ludicrous amount of powers on the Hulk. Because the writer didnt' want her to.
Hes not immune to brute force either...doesnt mean its gonna stop him.
Difference here is that it's stopped him before.
Possibly but looking at his track record and considering this is the most powerful version...probably not.
Considering that the most powerful version did not possess every signle attribute of the previous Hulks I would say its left to speculation.
..................those are forms of mind control....except the mindblast
No there not. The attack on Kitty was illusion casting. The attack on Scott was a mind wipe. The attack on Wolverine and Beast was part of their brains being switched off so they regressed into those particular states. Telepathy isn't as one dimensional as you're making it out to be.
Ok but I would say he probably has highier showings than low shoiwngs....and remember this is the strongest version.
But again I'm not seeing your point. What does mind control have to do with anything? It's a failure of an attack. He has showings where its worked for and against him. Fair enough by average showings we can say Hulk can resist mind control. What does that have to do with the other forms of telepathic attacks you get?
Also note that WWH didn't possess all the attributes of the previous Hulks. eg Wolverine was able to cut this version of the Hulk.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
How do you resist a mind blast and orgasm attack? He fought off an emotional attack through a psi-link it hurt him though. How's he going to stop someone from giving an orgasm via his biological functions?
Counter-Point:
*WWH showed the greatest degree of mental resistance out of all of them. A low showing without context means little here; what we have to go by in this case is the top psionics of Marvel Earth trying to affect him and failing. He resisted a prepped Dr. Strange mind spell. He resisted Xavier and Emma. He resisted Reed's duplication of Sentry's energies, and Sentry's energies themselves which normally had a calming effect. So all in all, he resisted every single attempt at telepathy / mind control / psi energies during his run in WWH that was directed against him, except when he let in Dr. Strange on purpose to try and cripple him.
The Stranger case showed that he could resist the mind effects of even abstract level beings.
Originally posted by Kutulu
Counter-Point:
*WWH showed the greatest degree of mental resistance out of all of them. A low showing without context means little here; what we have to go by in this case is the top psionics of Marvel Earth trying to affect him and failing. He resisted a prepped Dr. Strange mind spell. He resisted Xavier and Emma. He resisted Reed's duplication of Sentry's energies, and Sentry's energies themselves which normally had a calming effect. So all in all, he resisted every single attempt at telepathy / mind control / psi energies during his run in WWH that was directed against him, except when he let in Dr. Strange on purpose to try and cripple him.The Stranger case showed that he could resist the mind effects of even abstract level beings.
In the case of Xavier he tried to control the Hulk via mind control.
In the case of Dr. Strange he tried to enter the Hulks mind and Hulk blocked him.(Storm has down this as well, Sabertooth and Wolverine are resistant to probes)
In the case of Reeds machine, it was working until Hulk crushed the machines hands.
Trauma managed to get into the Hulks head in order to use his powers but again the Hulk overcame his "fear".
Every single type of telepathy that was used on him during that arc could be overcome by willpower. That doesn't mean other types will be ineffective.
That's like saying Hulk fought and took magical blasts therefore Hulk has resistance against all magic.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
How do you resist a mind blast and orgasm attack? He hasn't shown that type of resistance before. He fought off an emotional attack through a psi-link it hurt him though. How's he going to stop someone from giving an orgasm via his biological functions?Hulk has low showings regarding his biological functions being effected as well. No adaptation here:
Well there are other feats that contradict that.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
To further the plot. The same reason why Selene didn't use any of her other ludicrous amount of powers on the Hulk. Because the writer didnt' want her to.
Thats possible for example Gladiator doesnt always speedblitz.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakDifference here is that it's stopped him before.
So has brute force, eg Iron Man koed him once...but we dont expect that to happen all of the time.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakConsidering that the most powerful version did not possess every signle attribute of the previous Hulks I would say its left to speculation.
...like what. All Hulks have similar attributes...
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
No there not. The attack on Kitty was illusion casting. The attack on Scott was a mind wipe. The attack on Wolverine and Beast was part of their brains being switched off so they regressed into those particular states. Telepathy isn't as one dimensional as you're making it out to be.
.....you know what mind means....you know what control means.....you get what im saying? Im not being one dimensional im just not seeing mind control as just issuing commands. Making somebody regress 3 years of obvoulsy a form of mind control by the very defintion of the word control.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But again I'm not seeing your point. What does mind control have to do with anything? It's a failure of an attack. He has showings where its worked for and against him. Fair enough by average showings we can say Hulk can resist mind control. What does that have to do with the other forms of telepathic attacks you get?
I thought we discussed this. His durabiltiy will resist a psi-blast and his body has been able to adapt external stimuli.....
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Also note that WWH didn't possess all the attributes of the previous Hulks. eg Wolverine was able to cut this version of the Hulk.
Wolverine was able cut svage and grey hulk....whats different.
Originally posted by KK the Great
The Stranger himself says that Hulk was the only one with the pure brute strength to break from his hold, which says to me that it wasn't overcoming telepathy so much as it was overpowering telekinesis.
Earlier in the issue, Stranger issued a command for Banner to awaken and speak but not move.
it's safe to assume that Strange is infinitely >>> then MM, when it comes to (well everything really but specifically) mind-fvcking attacks, right?
I see more evidence in the way of Hulk totally resisting MM's attacks, and more reason to suppose that such attacks would only irritate/aggravate Hulk making him exponentially more resistant and stronger.
when MM's doing these mind-attacks, what is Hulk doing? can't he just thunderclap KO MM?
Originally posted by janus77
it's safe to assume that Strange is infinitely >>> then MM, when it comes to (well everything really but specifically) mind-fvcking attacks, right?I see more evidence in the way of Hulk totally resisting MM's attacks, and more reason to suppose that such attacks would only irritate/aggravate Hulk making him exponentially more resistant and stronger.
when MM's doing these mind-attacks, what is Hulk doing? can't he just thunderclap KO MM?
MM's Best TP feats outstrip Anything I've seen done by anyone who tried mind rape on the Hulk.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
MM's Best TP feats outstrip Anything I've seen done by anyone who tried mind rape on the Hulk.
Bro....that sounds like PIS. You dont have mental powers that can easily affect abstract beings and then have problems with mush less powerful people. 😬 .....whats up with that?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
MM's Best TP feats outstrip Anything I've seen done by anyone who tried mind rape on the Hulk.
I've never seen Galactus lift anything heavy but, I feel confident in saying that he's infinitely stronger than any version of Hulk.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I have that issue. And that proves my point exactly. Selene manages to flaw the Grey Hulk with a single mind blast.(Pink energy) Notice how she stopped and starting talking to him afterwards. She was trying to make him her mind slave afterwards. He resisted her mind control. Not her mind blast which was shown to be effective.
She also attacked him when his back was turned. Face-to-face, the effect may have been different.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well there are other feats that contradict that.
And there are feats that contradict a lot of things...Xavier being a pushover telepath inclusive.
So has brute force, eg Iron Man koed him once...but we dont expect that to happen all of the time.
But Hulk on average has been shown to win via brute force. Hulk on average with Mind Control could go either way. WWH average resistance against mind control is very good. Hulks average showing with a synapse attack is bad.
....you know what mind means....you know what control means.....you get what im saying? Im not being one dimensional im just not seeing mind control as just issuing commands. Making somebody regress 3 years of obvoulsy a form of mind control by the very defintion of the word control.
It's not the same type of attack. Emma did not have a hold on Wolverine or Beast after she switched off part of their brain. She wasn't controlling them. After switching off part of their brains she let them run around doing what they wanted.
Mind Control is when a telepath is continously telling you what to do. They have a hold on you. Emma didnt' have a hold on Wolverine or Beast.
I thought we discussed this. His durabiltiy will resist a psi-blast and his body has been able to adapt external stimuli.....
His durability will not help him resist a psi-blast. The misfiring of synapses will work on him, it'll hurt him...it's shown to in the past. His healing factor would act as a counter but even Wolverines been put down by a synapse fry if the telepath is strong enough. WWH was never attacked with this type of attack so we have nothing to go on. His body didn't adapt to the gas that was used on him in that scan above. It could go either way.
...like what. All Hulks have similar attributes...
Wolverine was able cut svage and grey hulk....whats different.
But I've seen scans of versions of the Hulk which Wolverine was not able to cut. Meaning that WWH did not possess all the advantages the other Hulks had.
So far all you've given me is that he's the strongest Hulk ever. Therefore he should win even though his past incarnations haven't shown any resistance to those particular types of attacks. In fact those types of attacks have been proven to be effective against the previous Hulk incarnations.
you're really really reaching there... WWH arc Hulk is the strongest most powerful version of Hulk ever. he retains ALL the abilities of previous Hulks, unless it's excplicitely mentioned somewhere that he no longer has specific abilities (such as when Prof Hulk or Bannerless Hulk existed).
you can't ask for "proof" of resistence to a hypothetical attack which no one has done on Hulk, all you can go by is the evidence of his resistance/healing from attacks of a similar nature. there the record speaks for itself, Hulk wins.
Maestro's had his synapse - hell his whole blummin' head - fried, and comeback.
Hulk's had major internal organs eviscerated mid-battle and healed up without missing a beat. synapse frying, if - big big big IF there - it worked wouldn't achieve anything much imo.
Hulk's HF and TP resistance combined would be too much for MM to counter, basically MM would end up with an aneurysm.
also, it's worth considering that WWH arc Hulk is now no longer raging mad, he controls and channels that infinite rage, thus demonstrating phenomenal mental control and power. so giving him a "happy" wouldn't really do anything to change his disposition in-battle, rather it would just alert him to the fact that he should 'put his guard up' more.
Originally posted by janus77
Maestro's had his synapse - hell his whole blummin' head - fried, and comeback.
Question: How is alright to count all of Maestros feats as WWH feats? Is that not an alternate timeline Hulk?
Originally posted by janus77
[B]you're really really reaching there... WWH arc Hulk is the strongest most powerful version of Hulk ever. he retains ALL the abilities of previous Hulks, unless it's excplicitely mentioned somewhere that he no longer has specific abilities (such as when Prof Hulk or Bannerless Hulk existed).you can't ask for "proof" of resistence to a hypothetical attack which no one has done on Hulk, all you can go by is the evidence of his resistance/healing from attacks of a similar nature. there the record speaks for itself, Hulk wins.
I'm not asking for proof against the orgasm attack. I'm asking for proof against an attack where Hulks biological functions were under siege. Just like the tranquilizer which knocked him out scan.
Hulk has been attacked via his synapses at it worked. WWH wasn't so where do you go from there?
also, it's worth considering that WWH arc Hulk is now no longer raging mad, he controls and channels that infinite rage, thus demonstrating phenomenal mental control and power. so giving him a "happy" wouldn't really do anything to change his disposition in-battle, rather it would just alert him to the fact that he should 'put his guard up' more.
Which is just speculation Because I recall WWH Hulk being effected by Reeds machine until it broke. And then being effected by the Gamma Corps serum.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Question: How is alright to count all of Maestros feats as WWH feats? Is that not an alternate timeline Hulk?
