Originally posted by CaptainStoic
My concerns for Jonn in this fight is his staying power. Martian Manhunters Bio says that he can only maintain Superman level feats for at most 5 minutes, and then returns to his 5 ton level self. DC Comics wrote and made the character, it is the fans that attempt to change the stone work.
Have you ever read a comic that involves MM? Like, ever 😐
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Have you ever read a comic that involves MM? Like, ever 😐
Yea I read the ones that showed Despero putting the big hurt on him, yet Lobo was completely unaffected by Despero. I believe it took place in one of the JL Europe books.
WWHulk at his strongest would rip Jonns arms off. Oh and he doesn't tire, while Jonn does. The writers are in error, because Jonn always had an endurance problem.
Doomsday Rex told him that he was powerful but compared to Superman he was nothing, as has nearly pulled a WWHulk vs Colossus on him.
So before you go giving me the "have you ever read this or that speech" you should take the Hulks feats into consideration.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
My concerns for Jonn in this fight is his staying power. Martian Manhunters Bio says that he can only maintain Superman level feats for at most 5 minutes, and then returns to his 5 ton level self. DC Comics wrote and made the character, it is the fans that attempt to change the stone work.WWH FTW.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Yea I read the ones that showed Despero putting the big hurt on him, yet Lobo was completely unaffected by Despero. I believe it took place in one of the JL Europe books.WWHulk at his strongest would rip Jonns arms off. Oh and he doesn't tire, while Jonn does. The writers are in error, because Jonn always had an endurance problem.
Doomsday Rex told him that he was powerful but compared to Superman he was nothing, as has nearly pulled a WWHulk vs Colossus on him.
So before you go giving me the "have you ever read this or that speech" you should take the Hulks feats into consideration.
I read quite a bit of Hulk actually. MM still isn't limited to 5min of Superman level powers and I've never seen him have 5tons as a limit.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestNo kidding. You'd think the MMH fanboys would have conceded by this point or just walked away. Bottom-line, gamma power inhibition, healing factor inhibition or pure power burnout is the only way WWH is going down. Not a single MMH fanboy or WWH hater has offered any hypothetical situation where MMH could do one of these three things. Even moreso, the veritable gamut of powers that any foe could bring to bear against WWH were used and utterly failed. How anybody could think MMH outclasses Marvel Earth and their heroes is beyond me as has been established throughout this thread.
This is STILL going? 😑
WWH 8/10.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Yea I read the ones that showed Despero putting the big hurt on him, yet Lobo was completely unaffected by Despero. I believe it took place in one of the JL Europe books.WWHulk at his strongest would rip Jonns arms off. Oh and he doesn't tire, while Jonn does. The writers are in error, because Jonn always had an endurance problem.
Doomsday Rex told him that he was powerful but compared to Superman he was nothing, as has nearly pulled a WWHulk vs Colossus on him.
So before you go giving me the "have you ever read this or that speech" you should take the Hulks feats into consideration.
So you read a book based solely on wanking Superman.
Tell Fernus he is Superman lite and lets see what he says...or does.
I'd like to know what Hulks going to do to Jonn?
Lets say that people are right and that Jonn can't hurt him....then whoopdee doo,Hulk can't hurt Jonn.Jonn has a speed advantage,phasing,invisibility and his own healing factor.Jonn doesn't have that 5 minute limit that Stoic is talking about,as he's referencing an irrelevant pre-crisis Superman fight.
Despero,unlike Hulk happens to have Planetary level telepathy,so i don't know why his wins on Jonn were brought up.
Hulk does not take a majority in this fight,and if your reasoning for this fight is Jonn can't hurt Hulk,then you have to conceed that it's at the very least a stalemate...
Originally posted by Martian_mind
I'd like to know what Hulks going to do to Jonn?Lets say that people are right and that Jonn can't hurt him....then whoopdee doo,Hulk can't hurt Jonn.Jonn has a speed advantage,phasing,invisibility and his own healing factor.Jonn doesn't have that 5 minute limit that Stoic is talking about,as he's referencing an irrelevant pre-crisis Superman fight.
Despero,unlike Hulk happens to have Planetary level telepathy,so i don't know why his wins on Jonn were brought up.
Hulk does not take a majority in this fight,and if your reasoning for this fight is Jonn can't hurt Hulk,then you have to conceed that it's at the very least a stalemate...
I pretty much agree with you but J'onn has been hurt by physcall blows in the past. I don't think he should be but it does happen. WWH's speed is a lot faster then what savage hulks was. He was toe to toe punch for punch with sentry who can fly to the sun and back in a fairly short amount of time. But I do agree with you and I think MM can mind rape him too.
Originally posted by jasofisc
I pretty much agree with you but J'onn has been hurt by physcall blows in the past. I don't think he should be but it does happen. WWH's speed is a lot faster then what savage hulks was. He was toe to toe punch for punch with sentry who can fly to the sun and back in a fairly short amount of time. But I do agree with you and I think MM can mind rape him too.
WWH's is a lot faster than Savage Hulk because he traded blows with Sentry? There was no indication of super speed from Sentry during the fight. MMH, unlike WWH, has speed feats of his own. Like it matters anyway...Jonn becomes intangible and yawns while WWH throws a fit.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
WWH's is a lot faster than Savage Hulk because he traded blows with Sentry? There was no indication of super speed from Sentry during the fight. MMH, unlike WWH, has speed feats of his own. Like it matters anyway...Jonn becomes intangible and yawns while WWH throws a fit.
also, Hulk leapt from the moon of Sakaar to the planet in a couple of panels - actually within the span of a conversation - which would conservatively put his speed at several hundreds of thousands of miles per hour, I'd imagine.
if MMH becomes intangible, there's still quite a good list of feats to argue that Hulk would still grab and smash him, given that he can do so to energy fields to dimensional barriers etc (punching through the Timestream).
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk's fast enough to rush Jack of Hearts (who is a cosmic character), though I'm not sure how fast he is exactly, that is a speedfeat.also, Hulk leapt from the moon of Sakaar to the planet in a couple of panels - actually within the span of a conversation - which would conservatively put his speed at several hundreds of thousands of miles per hour, I'd imagine.
if MMH becomes intangible, there's still quite a good list of feats to argue that Hulk would still grab and smash him, given that he can do so to energy fields to dimensional barriers etc (punching through the Timestream).
The Sakar feat just means he can jump at a high speed....not very helpful considering he can't change direction once he's in the air,and Jonn just has to side-step.
And energyu and dimensional barriers are well and good, but until he actually punches an intangible person who's faster then he is,can shapeshift to dodge and be invisible...well,you get the picture.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
The Sakar feat just means he can jump at a high speed....not very helpful considering he can't change direction once he's in the air,and Jonn just has to side-step.And energyu and dimensional barriers are well and good, but until he actually punches an intangible person who's faster then he is,can shapeshift to dodge and be invisible...well,you get the picture.
the leaping is also proof of his speed. I don't think you can leap faster than you can run, because it's a less efficient use of your muscles, you're not constantly adding to your momentum whilst you're gliding through the air.
if we accept that for some reason Hulk can't grab him in his phased form (bearing in mind Hulk's history of the contrary), MM's phasing would be entirely a defensive gambit, and only allow him a draw (if we suppose that infinitely high levels of gamma radiation doesn't kill him that is), it wouldn't give him a means to victory.
Originally posted by janus77
lol, funnily enough that "changing direction mid-leap" is one of his peculiar impossible abilities...the leaping is also proof of his speed. I don't think you can leap faster than you can run, because it's a less efficient use of your muscles, you're not constantly adding to your momentum whilst you're gliding through the air.
if we accept that for some reason Hulk can't grab him in his phased form (bearing in mind Hulk's history of the contrary), MM's phasing would be entirely a defensive gambit, and only allow him a draw (if we suppose that infinitely high levels of gamma radiation doesn't kill him that is), it wouldn't give him a means to victory.
Jonn can take a win by turning microscopic,entering Hulk,then turning giant inside Hulk.
Hell,he could do a phase rip,and tear out Hulks heart(he's done it to a person before)
If Jonn wants to be cheap,he can grow giant,scoop up Hulk and toss him into space for a BFR win.
heck,Jonn could be using his telepathy on him the entire fight,and even if that doesn't give him the win,it'll keep Hulk off edge.
Basically,i see it that whereas Hulk can maybe get a draw,Jonn is far more likely to get a win.