Martian Manhunter vs World War Hulk

You're using a review page...? "Mental attack" doesn't give any indication of what type of telepathy was used. Mind control is a mental attack. Psiblasts are a type of mental attack. All that's shown on panel is some bizarre mindreading feedback.

Emma is never depicted using telepathy on the Hulk. She blocks Xavier, she mindlinks the X-Men, she turns into diamond form and tells the Cuckoos to block Xavier.

No one is shown attempting to psiblast the Hulk. Nor did I say that it would "instantly KO the Hulk" either.

Emma wasn't the only one who was dumb during that miniseries.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're using a review page...? "Mental attack" doesn't give any indication of what type of telepathy was used. Mind control is a mental attack. Psiblasts are a type of mental attack. All that's shown on panel is some bizarre mindreading feedback.

Emma is never depicted using telepathy on the Hulk. She blocks Xavier, she mindlinks the X-Men, she turns into diamond form and tells the Cuckoos to block Xavier.

No one is shown attempting to psiblast the Hulk. Nor did I say that it would "instantly KO the Hulk" either.

Emma wasn't the only one who was dumb during that miniseries.

This looks like a mental attack to me (and this is a much weaker form of the Hulk, who was already near death)
http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/V/IH367.jpg

Here is a scan of a weaker Hulk affecting pure psionic energy with his fists:
http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IB/IHXMANN.jpg

That shows that his body can indeed develop an ability to both resist and manipulate psionic energy.

A telekinetic forcefield is for all intents and purposes physical. Breaking through a telekinetic forcefield doesn't in any way require the ability to resist or manipulate psionic energy.

Originally posted by Kutulu
This looks like a mental attack to me (and this is a much weaker form of the Hulk, who was already near death)
http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/V/IH367.jpg

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nor did I say that it would "instantly KO the Hulk" either.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
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You're doing the 😬 face because I have shown a scan proving you wrong? It was hurting Grey Hulk but he was resisting it, the weakest of all the Hulks. The Leader is no slouch. That's the infamous psi-attack that you speak of, on-panel, being resisted, by the weakest form of Hulk at all.

As for Dr. Strange, he's had a few bad showings lately, but that doesn't mean he's ZOMG SO WEAK NOW!!11!!! LOLZ DR. STRANGE GOT BEAT BY NINJAZZ!!! HAHAHA SO WEAK!!!

Just because a character has a few bad writers here and there doesnt' mean he suddenly lost all of his powers. Even recently he was beating back Dormammu:
http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders5015te1.jpg
http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders5016qa2.jpg

Hulk SMASH puny Martian!

Originally posted by Kutulu
You're doing the 😬 face because I have shown a scan proving you wrong? It was hurting Grey Hulk but he was resisting it, the weakest of all the Hulks. The Leader is no slouch. That's the infamous psi-attack that you speak of, on-panel, being resisted, by the weakest form of Hulk at all.

The Leader vs Martian Manhunter telepathic battle?

I did the 😬 face because I never said it would KO him instantly. But as Smurph and Martian Mind already said, it could easily be used in conjunction with everything else MM has at his disposal.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He wasn't "resisting" it he was coping with the pain of it. He was still being psiblasted. You can't resist being psiblasted generally. I don't think I've ever seen anyone prevent a psiblast from hitting them.

The Leader vs Martian Manhunter telepathic battle?

I did the 😬 face because I never said it would KO him instantly. But as Smurph and Martian Mind already said, it could easily be used in conjunction with everything else MM has at his disposal.

You keep saying this "You can't resist being psiblasted" bullcrap and it's wrong. I've already shown you on-panel Hulk being psi-blasted, that was the weakest version of Hulk, near death! He's not just "coping with pain", he's resisting the psi-blast that would have felled any normal human.

You can prevent mind control from working on you via willpower.
You can prevent hypnosis.
You can prevent illusions affecting you, iirc.

You can't prevent a psiblast from working on you.

You've shown nothing to convince me otherwise, considering in that scan, it's still working on him. It's apparently not at the level sufficient to fell him. That doesn't imply in any way it's been prevented from working.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You can prevent mind control from working on you via willpower.
You can prevent hypnosis.
You can prevent illusions affecting you, iirc.

Ok I agree with you there so far.

You can't prevent a psiblast from working on you.

You've shown nothing to convince me otherwise, considering in that scan, it's still working on him. [/B]

It's working on him only slightly. Fact of the matter, Hulk resisting a psi-attack is being resisted, on-panel.

PERIOD. End of story. You said you cannot prevent or resist a psi-blast. I have proven that Hulk can affect raw psionic energy with his bare hands and resist a direct psi-blast on-panel.

http://img.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/IB/IHXMANN.jpg

It's right here, for all to see:

If what you said was true, then Hulk would be on the floor unconscious. Instead you just make up things like saying it was an attack of pain - from a character who's bio reads that he can project psionic attacks. 😆

C'mon I have more respect for you than that - don't just start making up facts about people out of the top of your head when on-panel evidence states otherwise, it makes you look bad.

Don't say other people have said things they haven't. It makes you look bad. 😐

I never said "it was an attack of pain." I said he was coping with the pain of the psiblast. I've stated that in that scan he was psiblasted. See above.

The psiblast is obviously not at a level sufficient to fell him.
That in no way implies it's being prevented or hindered in any way.

You would say it's "working on him only slightly" despite that never anywhere else afaik have I seen a psiblast impeded in level due to mental defenses.
I would say it's working on him to its full extent, that full extent simply isn't sufficient to fell the Hulk, because nowhere have I seen a psiblast impeded by willpower alone.

Also, again a telekinetic forcefield is a physical barrier.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He wasn't "resisting" it he was coping with the pain of it. He was still being psiblasted. You can't resist being psiblasted generally. I don't think I've ever seen anyone prevent a psiblast from hitting them

I never said anything about resisting the psiblast from hitting him. I said that he resists the effects of the psi-blast. Which I have shown.

You said you cannot resist being psiblasted. Well you're wrong. Hulk can resist it. It's on-panel. It's part of his history, he's done it many times. You think two of the top telepaths on Earth wouldnt' try that? Seriously, your argument basically so far has been:
* nobody can resist a psiblast, only cope with it's pain. 😆
- already disproven with on-panel evidence.
* Hulk cannot resist being hit with a psiblast. He doesn't need to resist being hit with it, as it will do jack to him. [b]The weakest form of the Hulk, near-death and ready to kick the bucket resisted a psi-blast from a guy with the head the size of a pillow. He didn't just "cope with the pain." I'm sorry. 😬 That's some made up bull right there. It's right in the Leader's bio that he does psiblasts.

Hulk's mental resilience increases as he gets more angry. That's part of his history. You think that if the weakest form of Hulk, near death, can resist a full-on point blank psi-blast from a guy with the brain the size of a couch pillow, suddenly will get hurt by MM's psi-blast?

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Don't say other people have said things they haven't. It makes you look bad. 😐

I never said "it was an attack of pain." I said he was coping with the pain of the psiblast. I've stated that in that scan he was psiblasted. See above.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]He wasn't "resisting" it he was coping with the pain of it.

He was resisting it. PERIOD. End of story. On-panel > you. You fail. He wasn't just coping with the pain of it. That is the most ridiculous made up bull-crap I have ever heard.

You ignored the rest of my post, which basically responds to everything you've just repeated again, then posted a retarded picture, "it makes you look bad." 😐

The psiblast in the scan is obviously not at a level sufficient to fell him.
That in no way implies it's being prevented or hindered in any way. That in no way implies it's being resisted per se.

You would say it's "working on him only slightly," i.e. the level of the psiblast is being lowered, despite that never anywhere else afaik have I seen a psiblast impeded in level due to mental defenses. There isn't anything in that scan for me at least to come to that conclusion.
I would say it's working on him to its full extent, that full extent however simply isn't sufficient to fell the Hulk, because nowhere have I seen a psiblast impeded by willpower alone.

What exactly are the Leader's telepathic feats besides having a large head? His "psiblasts" don't seem to be like other telepaths considering they can somehow be dodged.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You ignored the rest of my post, which basically responds to everything you've just repeated again.

The psiblast in the scan is obviously not at a level sufficient to fell him.
That in no way implies it's being prevented or hindered in any way. That in no way implies it's being resisted per se.

After 50 years of Hulk resisting all sorts of mental powers, mental control, and psychic attacks, you say that he cannot resist a psiblast, instead only deals with the pain of the psiblast.

You were shown direct evidence to the contrary. You have shown that you are no longer worth debating with, since you just make up things in your head to justify your position, despite being posted a scan which proves you wrong.

I rest my case. No matter what I say or show you at this point, in your head, you will continue to believe that a psiblast cannot be resisted.

You also insist that neither Xavier nor Emma Frost tried to mentally psiblast the Hulk at any point, even after it's said on-panel that their attempts were futile. You think Emma Frost suddenly forgot she had the ability to mindblast people?

Originally posted by Kutulu
After 50 years of Hulk resisting all sorts of mental powers, mental control, and psychic attacks, you say that he cannot resist a psiblast, instead only deals with the pain of the psiblast.

You were shown direct evidence to the contrary. You have shown that you are no longer worth debating with, since you just make up things in your head to justify your position, despite being posted a scan which proves you wrong.

I rest my case. No matter what I say or show you at this point, in your head, you will continue to believe that a psiblast cannot be resisted.

You also insist that neither Xavier nor Emma Frost tried to mentally psiblast the Hulk at any point, even after it's said on-panel that their attempts were futile. You think Emma Frost suddenly forgot she had the ability to mindblast people?

Originally posted by Kutulu
After 50 years of Hulk resisting all sorts of mental powers, mental control, and psychic attacks, you say that he cannot resist a psiblast, instead only deals with the pain of the psiblast.

You were shown direct evidence to the contrary. You have shown that you are no longer worth debating with, since you just make up things in your head to justify your position, despite being posted a scan which proves you wrong.

I rest my case. No matter what I say or show you at this point, in your head, you will continue to believe that a psiblast cannot be resisted.

You also insist that neither Xavier nor Emma Frost tried to mentally psiblast the Hulk at any point, even after it's said on-panel that their attempts were futile. You think Emma Frost suddenly forgot she had the ability to mindblast people?

You say that based on your interpretation of that scan, Hulk has the ability to impede a psiblast from affecting him. And thus subsequently that Hulk can impede psiblasts to the point that MM's will have no effect on him, which is an unsubstantiated extrapolation.

I fully understand your interpretation, I just have an alternative interpretation. Meanwhile, while if you disagree with my interpretation that's fine by me, misunderstanding or misrepresenting my position I don't particularly like.

I don't see how one can reconcile that Selene "mental caress" has floored him with your interpretation though. While it fits fine with my interpretation and simply implies Selene to be a better telepath than the Leader whose psionic blasts can for some reason be dodged.

I say that neither Emma nor Xavier psiblasted Hulk during WWH, because there's nothing in there to suggest they did.

Originally posted by Kutulu
[B]After 50 years of Hulk resisting all sorts of mental powers, mental control, and psychic attacks, you say that he cannot resist a psiblast, instead only deals with the pain of the psiblast.

You were shown direct evidence to the contrary. You have shown that you are no longer worth debating with, since you just make up things in your head to justify your position, despite being posted a scan which proves you wrong.

I rest my case. No matter what I say or show you at this point, in your head, you will continue to believe that a psiblast cannot be resisted.

I think you're misunderstanding what X means by dealing with the pain of the blast. The "mind blast" worked on the Hulk. He didn't stop the "mind blast" from connecting he resisted the pain the Leaders mental attack caused him. So yes in that sense it could be seen as him resisting a mind blast. You are right in that sense. However X is also right technically because he didn't stop the mind blast from causing an effect he resisted the effect itself eg the pain.

BTW That "Mind blast" was sketchy look at the page before and see the Hulks words here:

Selenes jolt of psionic energy her psychic caress flawed a healthy Grey Hulk.

This Queen bug Calmed the Green Hulk and froze him telepathically.

I know you're reasonable, so would you agree that in that sense MM's telepathy wouldn't be entirely useless against the Hulk. And even though WWH would have a greater pain threshold, MM would be leagues above Selene. Since Charles Xavier is Leagues above Selene. Selene = Dani Moonstar Level.

You also insist that neither Xavier nor Emma Frost tried to mentally psiblast the Hulk at any point, even after it's said on-panel that their attempts were futile. You think Emma Frost suddenly forgot she had the ability to mindblast people?

Actually it said that they're attempts to control his mind were futile. Emma would have had to have tried to control his mind off panel although we aren't sure when this would have occurred because she was in Diamond Form throughout the entire time she engaged the Hulk right up to the point where she mentions that to Syrin. She was stuck in Diamond Form in the ground between Issue 2 and 3 so again when that would have occured is beyond me. And yes none of the telepaths in WWH tried any other type of mental attack on him apart from mind control so yep in that sense you could say they were dumbed down just like how Darwin was dumbed down into not evolving defensively to counter the Hulks main asset eg his strength. But again it's Hulks story you hardly going to see someone take him out until the end.

BTW Banging on a TK shield(Which is physical) does not mean he can wrestle with raw psionic energy.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
BTW That "Mind blast" was sketchy look at the page before and see the Hulks words here:

That would explain in a way, why these particular attacks can be dodged somehow.

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