Originally posted by jasofisc
doomsday did (though it was off panel and reaks of PIS)WWH punched a blitzing sentry so yes he does have that reaction time.
did you read WWH from your comments it just sounds like you've read a couple of hulk comics.
Did he counter an invisible blitzing Sentry? There is a difference when you can see someone and when you can't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Can you explain how MM wins this?
When you or someone explains how he hits someone intangible and invinsible.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Did he counter an invisible blitzing Sentry? There is a difference when you can see someone and when you can't.When you or someone explains how he hits someone intangible and invinsible.
all you asked for was how he hits someone that is intangble and then you said if MM becomes intangble for a sec then goes tangble to hit him that WWH doesn't have reaction speed enough to hit him. I have proven you wrong on both points and still you don't address those points which you know are wrong. No you bring up MM blitzing while invisible , welll show me a time where he has done that. I don't think you can because you haven't.
so how many other things do you want to bring up that MM doesn't do after your new arguments are layed to rest. How about MM could turn into that green crap he's made of and goes down WWH's throat and suffcates him. Oh wait that's been tried and failed too.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
When you or someone explains how he hits someone intangible and invinsible.
Without BFR it's not as though there's much Martian "my telepathy was once pwned by teen angst" Manhunter can really do to the Hulk. Eventually he has to try and hit him, something he decidedly cannot do while intangible.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixMM has to eventually hit him and when he does he goes down hard. You are also arguing on powerset alone and just making up a strategy never before done on panel.
Did he counter an invisible blitzing Sentry? There is a difference when you can see someone and when you can't.When you or someone explains how he hits someone intangible and invinsible.
Originally posted by h1a8Glads tried to bfr the Hulk and failed. MM fails here as well.
MM bfr ftw. End of debate.
Also Sentry wasn't using any type of speed or reflexes in that fight. He just let Hulk hit him as much as he wanted. Just like Gladiator wasn't using any speed against Colossus.
Originally posted by iceman24567
No it isn't and you can't prove it a bull rush is not blitzing give it up 😐.
hum i think any move that is ment to hit the person before they can react is blitzing what is blitzing in your diff????? easy to say what's it's not and harder to say what it is. Now remember you also have to show that MM can blitz the way you are mentioning. Also how do you even know it was going to be a bull rush he could have been meaning to punch WWH but didn't get the chance because WWH punched him. He was charging at him full steam which shows that hulk has reaction time enough to hit a character that is coming at him super fast.
Originally posted by jasofisc
all you asked for was how he hits someone that is intangble and then you said if MM becomes intangble for a sec then goes tangble to hit him that WWH doesn't have reaction speed enough to hit him. I have proven you wrong on both points and still you don't address those points which you know are wrong. No you bring up MM blitzing while invisible , welll show me a time where he has done that. I don't think you can because you haven't.so how many other things do you want to bring up that MM doesn't do after your new arguments are layed to rest. How about MM could turn into that green crap he's made of and goes down WWH's throat and suffcates him. Oh wait that's been tried and failed too.
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It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
That means that MM can do it here, just because you haven't seen him do so doesn't mean that he can't. Of course he won't just start off doing so but he is smart, he'll adapt his fighting style.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixBy that logic: WWH will use his split-second reflexes to counter every time MMH turns tangible to attack him. Just because you haven't seen him do so, doesn't mean that he can't. Of course it'd take him a while to acclimate to that sort of attack, but he is quite durable, he'll have time to adapt his fighting style.
That means that MM can do it here, just because you haven't seen him do so doesn't mean that he can't. Of course he won't just start off doing so but he is smart, he'll adapt his fighting style.
MM's fighting style is simply too varied and complex for WWH to counter with his simple "SMASH IT TILL DIES!" strategy. An effective strategy but rather useless against someone who can turn:
turn invisible (WHERE GUMBY GO?!)
turn intangible (RAR! STUPID GHOST GUMBY!)
has superspeed (STAY STILL GUMBY!'
can anticipate any move with his telepathy (RAR! GET OUT OF HEAD)
can regrow entire limbs to the point of being nearly immortal (RAR! WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!)
complete molecular control of his body to the point where he can be as small as an atom or large as skyscraper (GUMBY TURN INTO GODZILLA)
shape shifting that allows him to turn into solid, liquid or gaseous form (HAK! GUMBY INSIDE HULK'S NOSE)
Shapeshifting that allows him to absorb blows a la Plastic Man (GUMBY IS GUMMY!)
Seriously, it's not about what MM can do to WWH.
It's what WWH can't do to MM.
The only thing the pro-WWH movement on this thread is:
1) MM will forget all his abilities and only use one to the least minimal effect
2) WWH will have a really good day
3) WWH's one dimensional "SMASH!' tactic will somehow surmount all off MM's abilities.
4) WWH's "SMASH!" tactic will somehow have a counter to every single one of MM's abilities.
5) WWH will be fighting super-efficently but MM will be fighting like a moron.
Yeah....
Originally posted by Draco69Several reasons why this battle is incredibly hard for J'onn: (i) MMH almost always makes use of his telepathy, which would most likely backfire, stunning him momentarily; (ii) MMH doesn't know how strong or durable WWH is and probably take time to ramp up his attacks and overestimate his own durability/malleability; (iii) MMH will surely underestimate how fast WWH is, since every opponent underestimates how fast Hulk is in every incarnation; and (iv) MMH cannot attack him without going tangible. I simply don't think his safest option, martian vision raining down on him from the sky, is going to do the job. At all.
MM's fighting style is simply too varied and complex for WWH to counter with his simple "SMASH IT TILL DIES!" strategy. An effective strategy but rather useless against someone who can turn:turn invisible (WHERE GUMBY GO?!)
MMH punches WWH while he's invisible and WWH thunderclaps
turn intangible (RAR! STUPID GHOST GUMBY!) MMH can't do anything but use tp which would likely backfire
has superspeed (STAY STILL GUMBY!' would prolong his close-range fighting, would aid his long range fighting more
can anticipate any move with his telepathy (RAR! GET OUT OF HEAD) xavier tried accessin his mind and it backfired harshly
can regrow entire limbs to the point of being nearly immortal (RAR! WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!) he's been physically pounded on before by less
complete molecular control of his body to the point where he can be as small as an atom or large as skyscraper (GUMBY TURN INTO GODZILLA) former's worthless ability, latter gives WWH something bigger to hit
shape shifting that allows him to turn into solid, liquid or gaseous form (HAK! GUMBY INSIDE HULK'S NOSE) ewww
Shapeshifting that allows him to absorb blows a la Plastic Man (GUMBY IS GUMMY!) Mr. Fantastic, who makes far more use of such an ability tried that already and failed
Really, it'll be the tp backlash that WWH seizes upon or MMH's over/underestimation of both of their capabilities and his inability to really harm him without going tangible that puts MMH in great danger of getting smacked. And WWH never pulled his punches. He isn't going to one-shot MMH, but one hit or thunderclap will arguably stun him long enough for WWH to swiftly capitalize.
WWH 8/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Several reasons why this battle is incredibly hard for J'onn: (i) MMH almost always makes use of his telepathy, which would most likely backfire, stunning him momentarily; (ii) MMH doesn't know how strong or durable WWH is and probably take time to ramp up his attacks and overestimate his own durability/malleability; (iii) MMH will surely underestimate how fast WWH is, since every opponent underestimates how fast Hulk is in every incarnation; and (iv) MMH cannot attack him without going tangible. I simply don't think his safest option, martian vision raining down on him from the sky, is going to do the job. At all.Really, it'll be the tp backlash that WWH seizes upon or MMH's over/underestimation of both of their capabilities and his inability to really harm him without going tangible that puts MMH in great danger of getting smacked. And WWH never pulled his punches. He isn't going to one-shot MMH, but one hit or thunderclap will arguably stun him long enough for WWH to swiftly capitalize.
WWH 8/10.
Wait. So, WWH will win because J'onn will act like a complete fool and underestimate WWH at every turn?
And because of a TP migraine?
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Originally posted by Draco69My premises are not predicated on MMH acting like a fool. It'd be him acting in character. He always uses tp. It's extremely arguable that it'd backlash. WWH's quick and strong enough to capitalize. Everybody underestimates Hulk's relative speed and everybody underestimated WWH's strength and durability. more room for error unless MMH plays it extraordinarily safe. And even if he did, his safest option is to use martian vision from the sky at long ranges. So unless: (i) you think his martian vision is enough on its own; (ii) MMH is capable of using his intangibility in ways we've never seen in a tangible/intangible speedblitz that could not possibly be countered by a thunderclap; (iii) MMH has no chance of being stunned at all with his tp; or (iv) MMH's durability/malleability allows for him to not get stomped on despite getting tagged by the strongest Hulk ever... then I don't see how my analysis is faulty.
Wait. So, WWH will win because J'onn will act like a complete fool and underestimate WWH at every turn?And because of a TP migraine?
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the pro MM debaters on here statagy depends on WWH not acting like WWH but savage hulk or grey hulk. it also depends on MM using his powers in way he has never shown on panel and with potency he hasn't shown either. They totally forget WWH insane durablity, reaction speed (even when proven wrong and with on panel evidence dismis it) i'm thinking it's not so much they think MM is a tuff character it's that they hate hulk and see him as a one dimentional character as Drac has stated. WWH can raidate gama like nothing else and we have seen time and again how MM deals with getting hit by energy. also they just see WWH as a brute who just smashes WWH is a gladator and expert fighter. MM is a green philisopher.