It's not me wishing it, it's the cold hard facts. The duel was at a stalemate and they were both blown backwards by the force powers they were unleashing on one another. Yoda fell to the ground, Sisious was lucky enough to find a handhold.
did Sidious finish Yoda off? NO. That in itself negates it being a victory.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderYoda was out of time, he HAD to flee. watch the duel again and you will see that neither is able to gain the advantage. Everything Yoda threw at Sidious was countered, and vice versa.
No, but he caused Yoda to flee after besting him. If they had both hit the ground Yoda still would have ran and Sidious still would have been Emperor.
The fight ended with neither a clear victor. Are you trying to say that Sidious was winning the fight when they BOTH fell from the platform?
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderwell, apparently we have different views on what "victory" is.
It wouldn't be a big margin, but it would still be a victory for Sidious and a loss for Yoda.The fact though is that Sidious was definitely on top that whole fight, Yoda was just dodging pods most of the time.
No, that's the definition of victory. From webster's:
1 : the overcoming of an enemy or antagonist
2 : achievement of mastery or success in a struggle or endeavor against odds or difficulties
Yoda did neither of these things, but Sidious was successful in the struggle, getting what he wanted out of it. Therefore it was a victory for him.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderhe wanted yoda DEAD. yoda LIVED. dead and alive are two different things, brainiac.
No, that's the definition of victory. From webster's:1 : the overcoming of an enemy or antagonist
2 : achievement of mastery or success in a struggle or endeavor against odds or difficultiesYoda did neither of these things, but Sidious was successful in the struggle, getting what he wanted out of it. Therefore it was a victory for him.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
he wanted yoda DEAD. yoda LIVED. dead and alive are two different things, brainiac.
Uh, no. You're confusing Yoda's priorities with Sidious. Yoda's priority: Sidious's death. At any cost. Sidious's priority: Escape. At any cost. As far as goals are concerned, Sidious got his. Period.
Also, Gideon, I was under the impression that the script stated that Yoda had indeed relieved Sideous of his lightsaber. Lightsnake has brought it up a couple of times in debates.
The script does. But immediately after, it shows Yoda kicking Sidious's ass -- and then allowing the Dark Lord to escape to a lower pod. It's non canon.
Originally posted by Gideonyes, all Sidious cared about was escapng. But, once forced into combat, his priorities changed.
Uh, no. You're confusing Yoda's priorities with Sidious. Yoda's priority: Sidious's death. At any cost. Sidious's priority: Escape. At any cost. As far as goals are concerned, Sidious got his. Period.