Galactus Vs. The Spectre

Originally posted by Mr Master
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I agree,

that would On Panel instead:

"He (LT) sits at the CENTER of ALL things,
feeling the flow of countless Realities,
their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment
rendered by HIS Three Faces"

"First there must be the transdimensional consultation"
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The witer again,

has only the LT doing all the work:

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, (LT) for he (LT) is its Heart,
ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,
a Destiny SPUN by HIS (LT) mighty Hand"

"A Hand (one hand) soon opening
to allow (LT's in control) 🙂
TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ...
and ONLY this Judge (LT) knows why"
.......................................................................................

This is why I said the bio was referring to the "consultation"
as the "help" the LT received in fashioning the Brothers.

But it's quite obvious the LT did everything. ✅ [/B]

Cool.
Since we know it's not entirely accurate now, I see no reason to accept any information on it.

Unless of course we pick and choose which information is right, and which is wrong... Which seems a tad faulty to me. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
So you just contradicted bio information....
A bio which I have seen you use many times.
Cool.

Show me where the bio states that the LT was helped in any other way,
than in the way depicted on panel.

The bio doesn't give any definitive explanation as to the form of the "Help"
we have to go On Panel to understand that particular part.

Originally posted by Galan007
Since we know it's not entirely accurate now,
I see no reason to accept any information on it.

The bio doesn't contradict anything that took place on panel.

Originally posted by Galan007
Unless of course we pick and choose which information is right,
and which is wrong... Which seems a tad faulty to me.

Besides that though,
what are you talking about "picking and choosing?"
(who's doing that?)

Don't jump the gun so quickly friend,
we all learn as we go.

I'm going to get into this discussion also.

The help to which the bio reffers is not the transdimensional consultation he had with his hooded spectral ally.

Why ?

Because their creation to which the bio reffers to occured before the consultation. By the time LT wanted to consult him, they were already created.

Living Tribunal helped fashion the Brothers, meaning he wasn't the only one who did it.

And another thing.

Where exactly does it say that the Brothers are the embodiements of two Megaverses ?

Because they are stated to become guardians of two different Megaverses, not embodiements.

The fact that they are said to have roles of arhitects of new realities ? 😬

Not to mention the fact that the energies that flare from the Brothers's fight is stated to be able to vaporize Galaxies, which is pretty bad from two characters who supposdley have the power of two Megaverses 🙂

I would go with the pasty - faced guy in the green cape

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The help to which the bio reffers is not the transdimensional consultation
he had with his hooded spectral ally.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Why ?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Because their creation to which the bio reffers to occured before the consultation.
By the time LT wanted to consult him, they were already created.

The Megaverses were NOT created until the LT allowed it by opening his hnad.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Living Tribunal helped fashion the Brothers,
meaning he wasn't the only one who did it.

It was a legitimate "Help" ...
because after all, LT wasn't able to proceed without it.

As far as the actual manipulation of the Brothers?

The LT did that on his own On Panel, and it is Not contradicted in his bio.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And another thing.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Where exactly does it say that the Brothers are the embodiements of two Megaverses ?

Because they are stated to become guardians of two different Megaverses,
not embodiements.

The fact that they are said to have roles of arhitects of new realities?

The POST-Retcon Brothers even battle with each other endlessly,
just LIKE the original Brothers. ✅

The LT held the essence/spirit/consciousness if you will, of the Brothers.
(which is the totality/power of the Two Megaverses)

Just like Eternity is the embodiment
and creator of eveything in the Prime Multiverse,
Eternity also tries to "Guard" his own Space/Time.

Hence Eternity is the architect and guardian of his Reality,
this doesn't mean Eternity doesn't have further protection,
just like the Brothers.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not to mention the fact that the energies that flare from the Brothers's fight is stated to be able to vaporize Galaxies,
which is pretty bad from two characters who supposdley have the power of two Megaverses

The Brothers are the architects/guardians of Two MegaverseS.
Embodiments ... Just like Eternity is to the Prime Multiverse.
Embodiments ... just like they were originally.

The ONLY difference between the original Brothers and the Retcon,
is they were compressed from embodying All Reality in Marvel & DC ...
to Two Megaverses in Marvel alone.

Oh and Access has nothing to do with them anymore either.

According to the On Panel evidence, it is.

Actually, it isn't.

Does it really matter if it contradicts Marvel facts?

What Marvel facts ?

It's those 'facts' that we are discussing. Which apparently, don't support your point.

This isn't true at all.

The Megaverses were NOT created until the LT allowed it by opening his hnad.
Exactly, the LT was helped with a "Consultation" in fashioning the Brothers.

It was a legitimate "Help" ...
because after all, LT wasn't able to proceed without it.

As far as the actual manipulation of the Brothers?

The LT did that on his own On Panel, and it is Not contradicted in his bio.

I'm not talking about the Megaverses. I'm talking about the Brothers. They were already in existence before he consulted with the 'hooded spectre ally', and it is also stated that he was 'helped' in creating them, thus he didn't create them alone and since the 'consultation' happened after they were created, it means that it wasn't the 'consultation' with which LT was helped when creating the brothers.

It's really quite simple 🙂

The Brothers are a direct spin-off of the original Brothers,
(who were the embodiments of their realities)

The POST-Retcon Brothers even battle with each other endlessly,
just LIKE the original Brothers. yes

The LT held the essence/spirit/consciousness if you will, of the Brothers.
(which is the totality/power of the Two Megaverses)

Just like Eternity is the embodiment
and creator of eveything in the Prime Multiverse,
Eternity also tries to "Guard" his own Space/Time.

Hence Eternity is the architect and guardian of his Reality,
this doesn't mean Eternity doesn't have further protection,
just like the Brothers.

Take it up with Marvel friend if you wish to dispute what Marvel has established.

The Brothers are the architects/guardians of Two MegaverseS.
Embodiments ... Just like Eternity is to the Prime Multiverse.
Embodiments ... just like they were originally.

The ONLY difference between the original Brothers and the Retcon,
is they were compressed from embodying All Reality in Marvel & DC ...
to Two Megaverses in Marvel alone.

Oh and Access has nothing to do with them anymore either.

In other words, you're assuming that the Brothers are the embodiements eventough in the canon Universe it isn't stated or even hinted at such ? Even more, the fact that from their fight energies emanated capable of obliriating Galaxies suggests the contrary. And arhitects =/= embodiements.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I would go with the pasty - faced guy in the green cape

big purple helmets are cooler

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Actually, it isn't.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
What Marvel facts ?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's those 'facts' that we are discussing. Which apparently, don't support your point.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I'm not talking about the Megaverses. I'm talking about the Brothers.
They were already in existence before he consulted with the 'hooded spectre ally',

The LT, and the LT alone.

"He (LT) sits at the CENTER of ALL things,
feeling the flow of countless Realities,
their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment
rendered by HIS (LT) Three Faces"

"First there must be the transdimensional consultation"
.......................................................................................

The writer again,

has only the LT doing all the work:

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, (LT) for he (LT) is its Heart,
ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,
a Destiny SPUN by HIS (LT) mighty Hand"

"A Hand (one hand) soon opening
to allow (LT's in control) 🙂
TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ...
and ONLY this Judge (LT) knows why" (only the LT)
.......................................................................................

stoned

You can twist it, and dance around these facts all you want.

You ain't changing the minds of true debaters friend.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
and it is also stated that he was 'helped' in creating them,

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
thus he didn't create them alone and since the 'consultation' happened after they were created, it means that it wasn't the 'consultation' with which LT was helped when creating the brothers.

You're just trying to spin it to demean the LT's feat.

This ploy has failed in the past like demeaning Thanos' God" status" with THOTI,
or trying to prove that the Ultraverse isn't in another Multiverse in Marvel,
you even tried to prove Ultraverse was non-canon. 😂
(remember your in-famous cropped evidence?)

Didn't work then ... Not happening now.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's really quite simple

I gotta give it to ya.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
In other words, you're assuming that the Brothers are the embodiements eventough in the canon Universe it isn't stated or even hinted at such ?

The Brothers are everything the original Brothers were with the exception of their size.

The Original Brothers were siblings.
Retcon Brothers are siblings.

The Original Brothers were the architects of their realities.
Retcon Brothers are the architects of their realities.

The Original Brothers were the guardians of their realities.
Retcon Brothers are the guardians of their realities.

The Original Brothers are tied in an eternal conflict.
The Retcon Brothers are tied in an eternal conflict.

Pattern anyone?

The Original Brothers were the embodiments of their realities.
Is it really so hard to see? 😕

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Even more, the fact that from their fight energies emanated capable of obliriating Galaxies suggests the contrary. And arhitects =/= embodiements.

Marvel officially stated that the Brothers are Two Megaverses,
don't like it?

Write Marvel a letter and complain.

I believe Spectre can take him but quick question: What would be Spectre's highest showing?

Okay, don't say I didn't try to have a civilized conversation with you. I actually wanted the two of us to have a civilized conversation for once but apparently that's not possible.

But when you come with unfonded accusations like this :

The one's you're trying to twist in order to demean the LT's feat.

Or things like this, unrelated to the subject at all :

You're just trying to spin it to demean the LT's feat.

This ploy has failed in the past like demeaning Thanos' God" status" with THOTI,
or trying to prove that the Ultraverse isn't in another Multiverse in Marvel,
you even tried to prove Ultraverse was non-canon. ;lol:

Talking to you just seems useless.

Not to mention that you completly missed all my points and as usually, post scans that have absolutley no revelance to what I said aswell as the fact that everybody has already seen them anyway.

I explained it to you why the helping LT recived isn't the 'consultation' because that happened after the brothers were already created.

I explained it to you that it's stated nowhere that the brothers are the embodiements of the two megaverses and that they are stated to be arhitects and nothing more.

Not surprisingly at all, you don't really bring up any kind of counter arguments and continue copy and pasting the same scans and lines over and over again to make it look like you actually have a counter argument.

Well, I'm just going to let the people make an opinion based on what was posted up until now because it's just a waste of time continuing this discussion.

It's better we end this discussion now before it degenerates.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I believe Spectre can take him but quick question: What would be Spectre's highest showing?

His highest showing would be being able to merge with God. Also pulling apart the universes bound by the power of the 12 items of power including a cosmic cube, the IG, the Spear of destiny, the bell wheel and jar, and the UN. He's also beaten parallax, pwned Mr. Mxy, and given micheal the arc angel a good fight.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Okay, don't say I didn't try to have a civilized conversation with you. I actually wanted the two of us to have a civilized conversation for once but apparently that's not possible.

But when you come with unfonded accusations like this :

Or things like this, unrelated to the subject at all :

Talking to you just seems useless.

Not to mention that you completly missed all my points and as usually, post scans that have absolutley no revelance to what I said aswell as the fact that everybody has already seen them anyway.

I explained it to you why the helping LT recived isn't the 'consultation' because that happened after the brothers were already created.

I explained it to you that it's stated nowhere that the brothers are the embodiements of the two megaverses and that they are stated to be arhitects and nothing more.

Not surprisingly at all, you don't really bring up any kind of counter arguments and continue copy and pasting the same scans and lines over and over again to make it look like you actually have a counter argument.

Well, I'm just going to let the people make an opinion based on what was posted up until now because it's just a waste of time continuing this discussion.

It's better we end this discussion now before it degenerates.

You should have known better before you got into a "debate" with him. Do it in fun and don't take it too seriously. Seriously.

he never beat Parallax

Hal knocked him away WHILE being drained by the heroes and making new timelines
then when Parallax was weakened from things that had nothing to do with fighting Spectre Spectre came back and attacked him

Originally posted by 123KID
he never beat Parallax

Hal knocked him away WHILE being drained by the heroes and making new timelines
then when Parallax was weakened from things that had nothing to do with fighting Spectre Spectre came back and attacked him

IT was certainly the spectre who defeated parallax. As the character says later on, defeat is inevitible. The spectre already knows what will happen. He appeared, caused Hal to lose it, and then went away.

IT was certainly the spectre who defeated parallax. As the character says later on, defeat is inevitible. The spectre already knows what will happen. He appeared, caused Hal to lose it, and then went away.

and the heroes draining Parallax and Hal expending energy on trying to create new universes had nothing to do with it ?

Originally posted by 123KID
and the heroes draining Parallax and Hal expending energy on trying to create new universes had nothing to do with it ?

Hal was created new universes without even know it. They were slipping in and out of creation with passing moments. You think he was expending energy? Kyle as ION, wielding the same power could do universes with a thought.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You should have known better before you got into a "debate" with him.
Do it in fun and don't take it too seriously. Seriously.

Anywho, back on topic.

The Original Brothers were not only in eternal conflict like the Retcon Brothers,
but they also encompassed their Realities:

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And well what da know?

The Original Brothers were ALSO the Guardians of their Realities,
hey just like the Retcon Brothers:

But I thought titling the retcon Brothers as "Gaurdians" meant they weren't embodiments.

ka-dur
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Atleast you live up to your rep nvr.

Ahh, another day at the office. yawn

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal was created new universes without even know it. They were slipping in and out of creation with passing moments. You think he was expending energy? Kyle as ION, wielding the same power could do universes with a thought.

Parallax wasn't directly sipping realities in and out of existence,
that happened inadvertantly as a result of his attempts at re-writing that Universe.

Proof, as always:

"Parallax ATTEMPTED to create new World's and Timelines,
Fool that he was UNABLE to Control the forces he'd unleashed,
entire Timelines began to collapse"

"as alternate Timelines seeped in and out of existence"

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Okay, don't say I didn't try to have a civilized conversation with you. I actually wanted the two of us to have a civilized conversation for once but apparently that's not possible.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
But when you come with unfonded accusations like this :
Or things like this, unrelated to the subject at all :
Talking to you just seems useless.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not to mention that you completly missed all my points and as usually,
post scans that have absolutley no revelance to what I said aswell as the fact that everybody has already seen them anyway.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I explained it to you why the helping LT recived isn't the 'consultation' because that happened after the brothers were already created.

The LT On Panel did all the work.

And the official bio doesn't contradict that for one second.

The bio stated the LT had "help"
we all know it was a "Consultation" nothing more.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I explained it to you that it's stated nowhere that the brothers are the embodiements of the two megaverses and that they are stated to be arhitects and nothing more.

The Brothers are everything the original Brothers were with the exception of their size.

The Original Brothers were siblings.
Retcon Brothers are siblings.

The Original Brothers were the architects of their realities.
Retcon Brothers are the architects of their realities.

The Original Brothers were the guardians of their realities.
Retcon Brothers are the guardians of their realities.

The Original Brothers are tied in an eternal conflict.
The Retcon Brothers are tied in an eternal conflict.

Pattern anyone?

The Original Brothers were the embodiments of their realities.
Is it really so hard to see?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Not surprisingly at all, you don't really bring up any kind of counter arguments and continue copy and pasting the same scans and lines over and over again to make it look like you actually have a counter argument.

You haven't proven anything of consequence,
you have no relevant counter argument,
you have nothing but utter unsupported speculation.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Well, I'm just going to let the people make an opinion based on what was posted up until now because it's just a waste of time continuing this discussion.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's better we end this discussion now before it degenerates.

But I'm willing to move forward 🙂

Eureka!

Bah, forget the Brothers yall,

the LT handles all of Marvel in his Hand:

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, (LT) for he (LT) is its Heart,

ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,

a Destiny SPUN by HIS (LT) mighty Hand"
............................................................................................

The beginning & the End of Marvel spins in the LT's hand. ✅

Thanx Erik, focusing on this event more closely,
I just noticed that this moment is far more grand than I imagined.

So from now on, we can literally claim,
the LT holds All of Marvel (Omniverse) in his hand. mwahaha