Elder God vs. Sephiroth

Originally posted by Furion
Swordplay uberz Kains. Sephiroth swordplay is faster and deadlier cause his sword is longer.

his sword has greater reach but thats not swordplay at all, also how is having a longer sword mean its faster lol, that doesnt make sense

Sephiroth is using the same moves as kain, his swordplay is prob less so than kains because kain has the moves where he with one hit can slam someone beneath the ground and he also has the ability to smash someone into the ground with such force they go flying up into the air again

greater strength does not equal better swordplay, yo,

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
greater strength does not equal better swordplay, yo,

exactley and neither does speed, swordplay is skill with the sword, if its speed your using then you could be using any weapon with your own speed, the movement of the sword and moves you can do are what make swordplay, and sephiroth has done nothing in those vids other than verticle slashes and swings, something i could do.....

Originally posted by Burning thought
his sword has greater reach but thats not swordplay at all, also how is having a longer sword mean its faster lol, that doesnt make sense

Sephiroth is using the same moves as kain, his swordplay is prob less so than kains because kain has the moves where he with one hit can slam someone beneath the ground and he also has the ability to smash someone into the ground with such force they go flying up into the air again

I didn't mean that it's faster cause his sword is longer. His swordplay is just faster. If Kain slammed Sephiroth into the ground, Sephiroth would pop up from underneath Kain and cut him vertically in half.
Soul Reaver 2 ending: TIME PARADOX!

Originally posted by Burning thought
exactley and neither does speed, swordplay is skill with the sword, if its speed your using then you could be using any weapon with your own speed, the movement of the sword and moves you can do are what make swordplay, and sephiroth has done nothing in those vids other than verticle slashes and swings, something i could do.....

Sephiroth has enough power to indent steel beneath them just by clashing swords with another.

And enough force to enflame columns of buildings after slicing them

Originally posted by Furion
I didn't mean that it's faster cause his sword is longer. His swordplay is just faster. If Kain slammed Sephiroth into the ground, Sephiroth would pop up from underneath Kain and cut him vertically in half.
Soul Reaver 2 ending: TIME PARADOX!

faster than what? kain can verticle quickly as well, just like sephiroth, its got its own name, cadaverous alliteration or something, he would still smash Sephiroth, infact no he wouldnt....Sephiroth would be dead from one Reaver trike, and thats not soul reaver, kain woudlnt be able to do that with the soul reaver because on strike sephiroth would be burning pieces

ah you got to the end of Soul reaver 2 then? kwl kwl, note how Raziel is like invincible when he holds the physical reaver, your health doesnt rly go down

Originally posted by Terryc250
overall swordplay includes, speed, reaction, strength, etc.. it may look just like vertical and horizontol slashes, but its how you decide to maneauver your sword against your opponents to defeat him.

all sephiroth does is verticl and horizontal, no special swordplay.....strength and speed have nothing to do with it, speed as i said before can be used with most weapons, not a sword and strength is a value of its own, just because Hulk is 100 times stronger than sephiroth would not attribute to his sword skill, he probably could not use his sword at all

reaction and actual moves a character can employ is what the skill is

So what do you expect as special swordplay? A backflip sword toss rebound catching then a dive?

Originally posted by Burning thought
ah you got to the end of Soul reaver 2 then? kwl kwl, note how Raziel is like invincible when he holds the physical reaver, your health doesnt rly go down

Human Raziel stabs Current Raziel, Current Raziel heals,
Human Raziel: OH SH*T

Originally posted by Terryc250
So what do you expect as special swordplay? A backflip sword toss rebound catching then a dive?

thats certainly a good move, good swordplay is a variety of attacks someone can combo, since sephiroth is constantly doing slashes and such he has shown no proper sowrd play, also a more skilled swordsmen could disarm his opponent extremely quickly without hitting the opponetns hands but only the sword in the right place

simply being fast or strong is not true swordplay

Originally posted by Furion
Human Raziel stabs Current Raziel, Current Raziel heals,
Human Raziel: OH SH*T

If Sephiroth was fighting a regular soldier, he can do as many combos on him as he wanted or on whatever pieces of the soldier is left.. But he is fighting Genesis a 1st class SOLDIER on his own infused with the G-cells.. it was just a sparring match anyway, Genesis just got a little too serious.

Originally posted by Terryc250
If Sephiroth was fighting a regular soldier, he can do as many combos on him as he wanted or on whatever pieces of the soldier is left.. But he is fighting Genesis a 1st class SOLDIER on his own infused with the G-cells.. it was just a sparring match anyway, Genesis just got a little too serious.

i know what it was, and youve told me that already, what relevence does this have?

1st class SOLDIERS are uber guys who would turn the entire Sarafan stronghold into mush and make the Sarafan Lord cry.

yet another thread turned Sephiroth vs Kain.

Originally posted by Furion
1st class SOLDIERS are uber guys who would turn the entire Sarafan stronghold into mush and make the Sarafan Lord cry.

no they would not, the Sarafan lord can also teleport, pass through dimensions and turn invisible among other powers, and is strong enough to fight with kain, you know who the sarafan lord is yet?

1st class sodliers from what ive seen simply fight with blades and fireballs and are a little quicker than the average man, a fully laid out Sarafan glyph knight would prob give him a run for his money, hell, Sebastion prob would, Marcus would just mind control em

strong enough to fight young kain.
1st class Soldier are like: Angeal, Genesis, Sephiroth, Zack, Cloud. Even though Cloud wasn't 1st class, he is more uberz then Zack. Lot's of them have Jenovah cells in them. Glyph knights make me laugh. just cause they look cool doesn't mean they could match up against a SOLDIER. SOLDIERs are faster, stronger, and could probably break their swords. Sebastion....LOL, Marcus couldn't because Jenovah cells and Uber strong will.

Originally posted by Burning thought
.....the..speed feat of sephiro....oh w8 there is no feats of sephiroth..hahaha, and yeh they prob are having a good laugh at your argument falling apart as you use gameplay and assumptions

what? what makes you think so? thats bs m8.....he slices plates of steel, if you had a sword sharp enough to cut through rock, not anyone can push that sword through the whole rock

rigght, i lack knowlede and common sense, hahaaha, and ime the one who is using gameplay and whos argument is shattered

what? explain this, csdabest says Loz reperesnts sephiroths speed, if thats true, then thats as fast as Sephiroth can go..simple...if thats the part of him thats speed

now your comparing zack to Neo? lmao....Neo in the matrix first and formost is a program sort of thing in the matrix, because the matrix is a program, not using real and physical rules, they can be easily broken, Zack is not as fast as matrix Neo, Zack as you can see is not as quick as the bulelts when it goes slow mo, also whats makeing you think Zack is hoping not to get hit? this could be the same situation for zack as it is for bond

more fanboyism, your simply trying to push the argument back and forth endless, without resulting in anything, you seem to think Loz is faster somehow even though Kain moves instantly as well, in Loz' conception

what are you taling about now? slicing<<<stabbing, slicing is much easier, your putting the whole half of the edge of your blade into the swing, wheras if you push, only the point is going in, and he did it effortlessly

its obvious he can easily defeat sarafan soldiers, infact what is your basis kain cannot easily defeat Sarafan? because your so terribel at the gameplay? i can beat as many sarafan sodiers as i want quite easily without getting hit once...V2D is prob completed the game, i wonder if he kept getting killed over and over by sarafan soldiers......your logic is broken, and as i said before...your slipping further and further into the quicksand

your argument is dead

what are you taling about now? slicing<<<stabbing, slicing is much easier

what? what makes you think so? thats bs m8.....he slices plates of steel, if you had a sword sharp enough to cut through rock, not anyone can push that sword through the whole rock

now your comparing zack to Neo? lmao....Neo in the matrix first and formost is a program sort of thing in the matrix, because the matrix is a program, not using real and physical rules, they can be easily broken, Zack is not as fast as matrix Neo, Zack as you can see is not as quick as the bulelts when it goes slow mo, also whats makeing you think Zack is hoping not to get hit? this could be the same situation for zack as it is for bond

what? explain this, csdabest says Loz reperesnts sephiroths speed, if thats true, then thats as fast as Sephiroth can go..simple...if thats the part of him thats speed

Kadaj is a represents Sephiroth skill, but Sephiroth is 100x more skilled then Kadaj

So Loz represents Sephrioth speed, but Sephiroth is only equal the speed of Loz? (doesnt make sense)

Sephiroth is 100x superior then the 3 guys, fact.

Kadaj is the most skilled but he was getting his ass kicked by Cloud(after Cloud was disease free)

Sephiroth was toying with Cloud and Cloud was losing bad, imagine Sephiroth at 100%, Cloud would have got handed in under 5 seconds

Originally posted by Terryc250
Here we are folks, the intelligence of Burning Thought.

Kain didnt push it "through the whole rock" he simply pushed it into the rock.

Zack is just as fast as the bullets.. Zack basically has a smile on his facing while beating the crap out of everyone and dodging bullets, even in the game hes half goofing off while he dodges bullets, dodging bullets is something Zack can do with his eyes closed.

If thats true then it would be that the remnants are only portions of small Sephiroths power,

Kadaj is a represents Sephiroth skill, but Sephiroth is 100x more skilled then Kadaj

So Loz represents Sephrioth speed, but Sephiroth is only equal the speed of Loz? (doesnt make sense)

Sephiroth is 100x superior then the 3 guys, fact.

Kadaj is the most skilled but he was getting his ass kicked by Cloud(after Cloud was disease free)

Sephiroth was toying with Cloud and Cloud was losing bad, imagine Sephiroth at 100%, Cloud would have got handed in under 5 seconds

whos folks yourself? your the only one on your own side lmao.....cant belive you Terry, your hopeless haha, funny tho, carry on

he pushed nearly the whole length of his sword through the rock in an instant without even trying

slower than bullets otherwise in slow mo, he would be going the same speed as the bullets, but they were going fairly quickly past him

each piece is a piece of sephiroth

100x more skilled? is that so, ive seen no skill from sephiroth beyond something i can do, show me Sephiroths skill...

yes it does, Loz is sephiroths speed....so if he is sephiroths speed, sephiorth is as fast as his speed.....so he is as fast as loz

he is more powerful..yeh..so...their his respresentatives, but Sephiroth is equel to each piece, he is as fast as Loz for example

but he did not, obviously Sephiroth has no true intellect and is too arrogent, he is a very flawed fighter, and gets put down becasue of it, wheras Kain, would trounce the little man

Originally posted by Furion
strong enough to fight young kain.
1st class Soldier are like: Angeal, Genesis, Sephiroth, Zack, Cloud. Even though Cloud wasn't 1st class, he is more uberz then Zack. Lot's of them have Jenovah cells in them. Glyph knights make me laugh. just cause they look cool doesn't mean they could match up against a SOLDIER. SOLDIERs are faster, stronger, and could probably break their swords. Sebastion....LOL, Marcus couldn't because Jenovah cells and Uber strong will.

meh, young kain from BO 2, maybe without the reaver....Glyph knights are massive, their armour is powerful, the soldiers would hurt their hands trying to punc or throw them, Sebastion is faster and strong also, uber strong will wont work against Marcus unless it can be proven the guys minds cannot be taken over

You can do the stuff Seph does?!?! 😆 😆 You can fly? you can launch Cloud through a building 50 feet away in midair? You can summon tainted lifestream with a handmotion that will cover an entire city? You can cut through metal like a hot knife through butter? Doubt it.
Saying Sephiroth is not smart is like saying Kain would lose to Mario. Just cause he's crazy doesn't mean he's not smart.
I pwn the crap out of glyph knights with Kain's claws. didn't take that long. SOLDIERs are more agile, faster, stronger, smarter, better swordplay and have their own special abilities.
Sephiroth had direct control over Cloud's mind at certain points in FF7. Seph tried to have Cloud killed Aeris but Cloud resisted Seph. If someone tries hard enough, they will resist and push out Marcus since these are not mere people.