Elder God vs. Sephiroth

Originally posted by Burning thought
who you talking to? your adoring fans? or just SHM who is prob your sock or vice versa

kain if you look the distance moves in less than perhaps half a second across, sends his sword through the rock, thats a few inches in raziel, a few feet through the rock effortlessly....Sephiroth slashing buildings<<<Kain putting his sword basically through the entire rock with ease, infact doing that to a rock is far far more dififcult than slashing a rock, same if you tried slashing steel, much easier than putting your sword in a lunge through the whole layer of it.

oh my god, if anyones going to laugh at your post, its this, your comparing sephiroth to Galactus?, Galactus would destroy a million sephiroths without a problem, and yes so whats your point? Galactus does not move quickly, he usually teleports i think if he wants to get somewhere quick, but this is beyond the point, Sephiroth is as quick as Loz, according to Csdabest, and i belive his fairly intellectual approach to your assumptions and fanboyism. Doesnt take any fanboyism to see how easily Kain could slaughter your girly man

its not, if you have the reaction time, you dont have to move as fast, i go back to my james bond example, he has dodged machine gun fire, not like that but hes escaped it through running simply, as have many characters, you can clearly see he is not going as quick as the bullet when its in slow motion, slightly slower, luckily for him, he is faster than a human and with quick reactoin time, he can dodge them bullets, also Machineguns are innacurate weapons with a fairly strong recoil, half the bullets are likely to be missing him even if he wasnt moving.

know and you dont know anything about LOK, their part of the story, you dont know a tiny thing about LOk, kain fights elementals, demons, the Elder God who would btw stomp Sephiroth (Seph couldnt touch EG anyway), but regardless, those sarafan are not a threat to kain, you should know kain cannot die, so how can they be? he can destroy normal humans with ease....and now youve got 2 things for people to laugh at, with these two big paragraphs of funny fanboyism and rubbish from you, i almost feel sorry for you attrating attension to the post by trying to bismerch me. To Kain those sarafan are maggots, and so sephiroth is the mouse.

no its not clearly, its fanboyism, destorying the planet through various plot devices, or slow means like the meateor which is pathetic, its not really sephiroth doing anything but directing it, its not created out of his power unelss you can prove that meteor he created it. hes not just a vampire, he is an immortal deified godlike vampire who has the power to take on Sephiroth, Cloud and prob half of the cast of FF7 with great ease. Superior? who we talking about now....not mice like sephiroth?

flying wont help him, a nice quick teleport and sephiroths flight advantage is nothing

show you what? youve not asked me to show you anything?

all your posts make me laugh, ime glad we can laugh while doing this as well as cutting down your fanboyism perhaps

Sephiroth as Kains slave and with a hair cut

...stop embarassing urself trying to push a point with that video, its horrible, stabbing something is MUCH easier then cleancutting something genius, stabbing a rock is NOT impossible, and can be done by regular ppl if they had a sword sword sharp and durable enough.

I didnt compare Galactus' power to Sephiroth's power u idiot, i compared the concept between a being who is 100% of power and another being who is a fraction of that 100% power, using Galactus as an example.

James bond ran through machine gun fire by running behind things and crap, Zack was in the middle of an open area, with soldiers surrounding him everywhere dodging all the bullets firing at him.

After getting hit by them about 10 times ur blood is low, and he has to feed.

A nice "quick" teleport? Haha, ive yet to see that

Show me the spell that freezes time plz, i dont want a description, because the description just says he fires a projectile.

the Sarafan guards arent "maggots" theyre actually capable of harming Kain, and Kain doesnt effortlessly beat them

dude, they're maggots. I toy with them because they're easy.

No, maggots arent capable of harm, sarafan soldiers are capable of harming Kain

a baby with a knife is capable of killing a soldier but who do you think going to win.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm i dont even know SHM, but hes one who actually has knowledge over the FFVII world and Sephiroths power.

...stop embarassing urself trying to push a point with that video, its horrible, stabbing something is MUCH easier then cleancutting something genius, stabbing a rock is NOT impossible, and can be done by regular ppl if they had a sword sword sharp and durable enough.

I didnt compare Galactus' power to Sephiroth's power u idiot, i compared the concept between a being who is 100% of power and another being who is a fraction of that 100% power, using Galactus as an example.

James bond ran through machine gun fire by running behind things and crap, Zack was in the middle of an open area, with soldiers surrounding him everywhere dodging all the bullets firing at him.

After getting hit by them about 10 times ur blood is low, and he has to feed.

A nice "quick" teleport? Haha, ive yet to see that

Show me the spell that freezes time plz, i dont want a description, because the description just says he fires a projectile.

the Sarafan guards arent "maggots" theyre actually capable of harming Kain, and Kain doesnt effortlessly beat them

embarassing myself in front of whom? the only other person IS SHM who is seriously debating this, your the one who is embarassing yourself its funnny.....what? same with sephiroths feat...a sword sharp and durable enough can cut through steel, a large pillar of rock is far>>>>>>>in density and resistence to a sheet of steel for example, Sephiroths feat of slashing is nothing, and the speed>>or equels Loz easily, your fanboyism is funny

and failing with that example, Sephiroth is nothing like Galactus, nor is the speed example, its a failure completly, a shambles....Loz is the part of sephiroth which is his speed...Sephiroth=Loz speed

James has run across areas on many occasions, in i think its die another day he dodges machine gun fire, in the latest one, casino royale he has dodged machie guns at the beginning and there was little in the way, infact the guy he was carrying got shot

oh so gameplay again? your terrible Terry, its hilarious but your terrible, even something as funny as someone useing gameplay in their already falling argument can get old

haha yeh rly? ive yet to see Sephiroth move quickly...or Loz move faster than kains non teleport speed

what? ive shown you it 100 times, ime not bothering with this anymore, its in the other thread as well, you cant show me anything can you? sephiroths speed, all other characters and your assumptions and you phail because of it.......lol at you my friend, many lol

oh but he does, show me cinematic of him losing against a sarafan knight, they are maggos to kain, and kain doesnt even have the soul reaver when he is battling them in that, if he did, he would one hit them...also do you seriousyl belive their wearing cloth, yeh kain cannot one hit them with the reaver? even tho hes sliced through the rock, so their cloth>>>>slab of rock a metre+ thick? m8 your flailing about like a blind man, hoping to grab onto sometihng, but your grabbing nothing but slippery surfaces and falling over every time

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, maggots arent capable of harm, sarafan soldiers are capable of harming Kain

if sephiroth just stood there, he would be harmed if someone stabbed him in the back of the head...very much so

No.. only if he lets him, put about 10 soldiers against Kain and Kain will need to struggle or use his powers, Sephiroth would kill all 10 of those soldiers effortlessly and in seconds

da guards are maggots and the knights sound like a 30 year old retard try to suck a drain.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No.. only if he lets him, put about 10 soldiers against Kain and Kain will need to struggle or use his powers, Sephiroth would kill all 10 of those soldiers effortlessly and in seconds

what? not at all, if Sephiroth just stood there and let someone stab a knife in his head, hes a gonner

f someone did the same to kain he would just mist and be fine but thats not the point, theres no way 100 soldiers would defeat kain, in kains own words

"a single one of us stands, we are a legion"

he wouldnt struggle against 1000 soldiers, infact, more the merrier, every slash of the reaver would cleave through the men, giving the blade energy, he would cut them all down and even if they got a lucky hit, the blood would regenrate him

going mist wouldn't just be standing there. Is mist like some automatic reaction his body does when it senses something is close by that can harm him? no. he would be knifed in the skull too.

Originally posted by Furion
going mist wouldn't just be standing there. Is mist like some automatic reaction his body does when it senses something is close by that can harm him? no. he would be knifed in the skull too.

if he gets dissolved or knifed he would mist through the blade or turn into bats and reform, if he was getting dissolved/burnt, like if he jumps into water

he can turn into mist on a whim.....chances are, the knife if it was an average blade would shatter, or it would go into his head only to have kain skin regnerate around it as it enters, sephiroths head would just split and he would die

Seph Speed: 1:44 to 1:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soh_2RYa9OA
Probably the same for AC too since it's basically the same character.

Originally posted by Furion
Seph Speed: 1:44 to 1:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soh_2RYa9OA
Probably the same for AC too since it's basically the same character.

thats like the same as Xemnas speed.....maybe a tiny bit quicker, and prob about the same as kain speed in the vid, only kain doesnt have the little blur line effects

also that teleportaton is the same speed as dimenstional teleportation

their not the same character, SHM i think was saying the creator said the one in KH is not the same character as the one in AC

Crisis Core Fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKzAhPMgu_E&feature=related
AC sephiroth is WAY WAY better then that Seph.
Sephiroth could PROBABLY go the same speed because like cloud it's really the same character just different looks. Sephiroth uses the same sword, uses similar spells and has about the same fighting style.

Originally posted by Burning thought
embarassing myself in front of whom? the only other person IS SHM who is seriously debating this, your the one who is embarassing yourself its funnny.....what? same with sephiroths feat...a sword sharp and durable enough can cut through steel, a large pillar of rock is far>>>>>>>in density and resistence to a sheet of steel for example, Sephiroths feat of slashing is nothing, and the speed>>or equels Loz easily, your fanboyism is funny

and failing with that example, Sephiroth is nothing like Galactus, nor is the speed example, its a failure completly, a shambles....Loz is the part of sephiroth which is his speed...Sephiroth=Loz speed

James has run across areas on many occasions, in i think its die another day he dodges machine gun fire, in the latest one, casino royale he has dodged machie guns at the beginning and there was little in the way, infact the guy he was carrying got shot

oh so gameplay again? your terrible Terry, its hilarious but your terrible, even something as funny as someone useing gameplay in their already falling argument can get old

haha yeh rly? ive yet to see Sephiroth move quickly...or Loz move faster than kains non teleport speed

what? ive shown you it 100 times, ime not bothering with this anymore, its in the other thread as well, you cant show me anything can you? sephiroths speed, all other characters and your assumptions and you phail because of it.......lol at you my friend, many lol

oh but he does, show me cinematic of him losing against a sarafan knight, they are maggos to kain, and kain doesnt even have the soul reaver when he is battling them in that, if he did, he would one hit them...also do you seriousyl belive their wearing cloth, yeh kain cannot one hit them with the reaver? even tho hes sliced through the rock, so their cloth>>>>slab of rock a metre+ thick? m8 your flailing about like a blind man, hoping to grab onto sometihng, but your grabbing nothing but slippery surfaces and falling over every time

Anyone who has been following this debate should be having good laughs. Haha i cannot believe u seriously think that Kain is so uber, that speed feat cracks me up everytime i think about it.

If you have a sharp sword durable enough to cut through steel, no one in the world still can cut through large columns of buildings with that sword..

If you have a sword that is durable enough to stab a rock, there are many many ppl in the world who can stab rocks with that sword.

No its not, only to you because you lack intelligence, and common sense

So going by that logic, then Kadaj represents the skills of the 3, since hes the leader and most skilled, Sephiroth is about 100x as skilled as Kadaj, so that would make him about 100x superior then the 3, which means he should be 100x faster then Loz.

James Bond runs through machine gun fire, and all he does is hope not to get hit, he doesnt have skills to dodge it, he just runs behind things and go for cover, he doesnt dodge it the same way Zack, or Neo(from matrix) dodges bullets.

Ive shown you Loz moving faster then Kains movement speed, you just refuse to believe it because ur clouded by ur kain fanboyism, however, anyone with a normal mind can see Loz is much faster.. Kains teleport speed? Anything is faster then that.

Kain hasnt sliced through rock, stop saying that, he stabbed a rock, if he tried constantly stabbing ppl nonstop with all his force like stab against moebius/raziel, he would be defeated.

How about you show me a cinematic of Kain effortlessly defeating sarafan soldiers.

Originally posted by Furion
Crisis Core Fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKzAhPMgu_E&feature=related
AC sephiroth is WAY WAY better then that Seph.
Sephiroth could PROBABLY go the same speed because like cloud it's really the same character just different looks. Sephiroth uses the same sword, uses similar spells and has about the same fighting style.

much better quality of the fight:

http://www.stage6.com/user/endokoji/video/1650016/GENESIS-&-Angeal-Vs--Sephiroth

thats also the weakest version of Sephiroth and hes just toying around too

Originally posted by Furion
Crisis Core Fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKzAhPMgu_E&feature=related
AC sephiroth is WAY WAY better then that Seph.
Sephiroth could PROBABLY go the same speed because like cloud it's really the same character just different looks. Sephiroth uses the same sword, uses similar spells and has about the same fighting style.

being better still does not make you faster, or as fast as that sephiroth, their diffrent beings, only one is not truly physical and real, which is the KH one, it would make more sense to me to think something that is not real can break boundries since its not real, such as speed

also thats not swordplay skill, infact teh guy in red is a better sword combatant imo, he is just weaker and he is going on the offensive, if you watch sephiroth is just defending all the time, and when he goes a little offensive at the end he also gets blocked, good fight tho i admit, that canon however is rly thin, the metal

Swordplay uberz Kains. Sephiroth swordplay is faster and deadlier cause his sword is longer.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Anyone who has been following this debate should be having good laughs. Haha i cannot believe u seriously think that Kain is so uber, that speed feat cracks me up everytime i think about it.

If you have a sharp sword durable enough to cut through steel, no one in the world still can cut through large columns of buildings with that sword..

If you have a sword that is durable enough to stab a rock, there are many many ppl in the world who can stab rocks with that sword.

No its not, only to you because you lack intelligence, and common sense

So going by that logic, then Kadaj represents the skills of the 3, since hes the leader and most skilled, Sephiroth is about 100x as skilled as Kadaj, so that would make him about 100x superior then the 3, which means he should be 100x faster then Loz.

James Bond runs through machine gun fire, and all he does is hope not to get hit, he doesnt have skills to dodge it, he just runs behind things and go for cover, he doesnt dodge it the same way Zack, or Neo(from matrix) dodges bullets.

Ive shown you Loz moving faster then Kains movement speed, you just refuse to believe it because ur clouded by ur kain fanboyism, however, anyone with a normal mind can see Loz is much faster.. Kains teleport speed? Anything is faster then that.

Kain hasnt sliced through rock, stop saying that, he stabbed a rock, if he tried constantly stabbing ppl nonstop with all his force like stab against moebius/raziel, he would be defeated.

How about you show me a cinematic of Kain effortlessly defeating sarafan soldiers.

.....the..speed feat of sephiro....oh w8 there is no feats of sephiroth..hahaha, and yeh they prob are having a good laugh at your argument falling apart as you use gameplay and assumptions

what? what makes you think so? thats bs m8.....he slices plates of steel, if you had a sword sharp enough to cut through rock, not anyone can push that sword through the whole rock

rigght, i lack knowlede and common sense, hahaaha, and ime the one who is using gameplay and whos argument is shattered

what? explain this, csdabest says Loz reperesnts sephiroths speed, if thats true, then thats as fast as Sephiroth can go..simple...if thats the part of him thats speed

now your comparing zack to Neo? lmao....Neo in the matrix first and formost is a program sort of thing in the matrix, because the matrix is a program, not using real and physical rules, they can be easily broken, Zack is not as fast as matrix Neo, Zack as you can see is not as quick as the bulelts when it goes slow mo, also whats makeing you think Zack is hoping not to get hit? this could be the same situation for zack as it is for bond

more fanboyism, your simply trying to push the argument back and forth endless, without resulting in anything, you seem to think Loz is faster somehow even though Kain moves instantly as well, in Loz' conception

what are you taling about now? slicing<<<stabbing, slicing is much easier, your putting the whole half of the edge of your blade into the swing, wheras if you push, only the point is going in, and he did it effortlessly

its obvious he can easily defeat sarafan soldiers, infact what is your basis kain cannot easily defeat Sarafan? because your so terribel at the gameplay? i can beat as many sarafan sodiers as i want quite easily without getting hit once...V2D is prob completed the game, i wonder if he kept getting killed over and over by sarafan soldiers......your logic is broken, and as i said before...your slipping further and further into the quicksand

your argument is dead

Originally posted by Burning thought
being better still does not make you faster, or as fast as that sephiroth, their diffrent beings, only one is not truly physical and real, which is the KH one, it would make more sense to me to think something that is not real can break boundries since its not real, such as speed

also thats not swordplay skill, infact teh guy in red is a better sword combatant imo, he is just weaker and he is going on the offensive, if you watch sephiroth is just defending all the time, and when he goes a little offensive at the end he also gets blocked, good fight tho i admit, that canon however is rly thin, the metal

http://www.stage6.com/user/4lexei/video/1644630/Crisis-Core:-Final-Fantasy-VII-Sephirot-vs-----(SPOILER)

No Genesis is not a better swordsmen then Sephiroth, Sephiroth was famed as the greatest swordsmen in SOLDIER, and a hero.. Sephiroth didnt take him seriously at all at the beginning, while Genesis was going all out, then at 2:05, he starts to put on a bit more pressure, then after the fire blasts, Sephiroth puts even more pressure on and Genesis cant do anything.