Originally posted by Terryc250
THATS UR PROOF? THATS THE UBER SPEED OF KAIN? U have to be joking.. all he did was turn around and cut a raziel then stab him, wtf even i can do that.watch at 5:00 (Sephiroth at his weakest form pwned this guy in under 3 minutes with little effort)
YouTube videoNo i assume Sephiroth is faster because Sephiroth gave him life and his powers.
Kain doesnt stop time, he shoots a projectile to freeze his enemies, ive been waiting ALL this damn time for you to show me all these claims and this is what you show me...?
its a kain speed feat and no, look at it again, you could never do that, he cleared a space of a meter or two in less time or equel time than Loz ever did....your being Bias again, maybe they should put him in FF and then maybe you wont be so bias....id like to see you try to move at half that speed, its faster than Loz anyhow...not to menstion id like to see you even lift the sword..lawls....or stab raziel for that matter with raziel just standing there, also note he sliced through the rock behind without any effort
he gave him life and his powers, so Sephiroth has to be faster...riigghhttt
Kain fires a time freezing projectile, Kain has the time reaver emblem from the pillars, which have within them the concept of time which kain with the emlbem gains control of.....never heard of the time reaver before, where he can slow time to a crawl all around him?
lmao, ill do a you this time..THIS IS YOUR PROOF!! OF SEPHIROTHS UBER SPEED!!! hahaaa, all he does is a miraclulos, i admit probably skillful and fast reaction movement through a hail of bullets but you can see in slowmotion, he is moving slowly just like the bullets were, only he was going slightly slower than the bullets and his expression was not moving, thats more like a james bond miraclulous dodging of bullets, not a true speed feat, also just because Sephiroth beat this guy, he has to be as fast? jesus......Kain without moving would beat this guy....
all these claims? your the one who has shown nothing, you even say your assuming these things ,you assume Sephiroth is faster, you assume he can create materia, well i just gave you a good example of things kain should be able to do, if we assume...no hes never done it..but hey, neither has sephiroth shown a speed feat OR made materia from lifestream....but he has power over lifestream, kain has power over the concept of time, state and dimension....so therefore it must only be gameplay/CIS why he doesnt just freeze anyone he wishes in time, just like its apprently CIS why sephiroth doesnt stop Cloud, or create all these special materia he can make
Sephiroth vs Zack in the Last Order is basically noncanon due to Before Crisis. The Last Order is noncanon now because of that PSP game.
Though its not been stated anywhere, Sephiroth still pwned Zack, just not as bad.
its a kain speed feat and no, look at it again, you could never do that, he cleared a space of a meter or two in less time or equel time than Loz ever did....your being Bias again, maybe they should put him in FF and then maybe you wont be so bias....id like to see you try to move at half that speed, its faster than Loz anyhow...not to menstion id like to see you even lift the sword..lawls....or stab raziel for that matter with raziel just standing there, also note he sliced through the rock behind without any efforthe gave him life and his powers, so Sephiroth has to be faster...riigghhttt
Kain fires a time freezing projectile, Kain has the time reaver emblem from the pillars, which have within them the concept of time which kain with the emlbem gains control of.....never heard of the time reaver before, where he can slow time to a crawl all around him?
lmao, ill do a you this time..THIS IS YOUR PROOF!! OF SEPHIROTHS UBER SPEED!!! hahaaa, all he does is a miraclulos, i admit probably skillful and fast reaction movement through a hail of bullets but you can see in slowmotion, he is moving slowly just like the bullets were, only he was going slightly slower than the bullets and his expression was not moving, thats more like a james bond miraclulous dodging of bullets, not a true speed feat, also just because Sephiroth beat this guy, he has to be as fast? jesus......Kain without moving would beat this guy....
all these claims? your the one who has shown nothing, you even say your assuming these things ,you assume Sephiroth is faster, you assume he can create materia, well i just gave you a good example of things kain should be able to do, if we assume...no hes never done it..but hey, neither has sephiroth shown a speed feat OR made materia from lifestream....but he has power over lifestream, kain has power over the concept of time, state and dimension....so therefore it must only be gameplay/CIS why he doesnt just freeze anyone he wishes in time, just like its apprently CIS why sephiroth doesnt stop Cloud, or create all these special materia he can make
Sephiroth created Loz, who is just a fraction of his power, and Sephiroth is many many times superior, logic tells us hes faster, not to mention that Sephiroth is still fast even when hes not even exerting himself one bit.
Nah, FF villains are usually planetary threats capable of destroying the planet, not Kain.
What do you mean i assume? Materia is made from the lifestream, fact.. so how is that assuming?
Show me kain freezing time and ill believe you, but i know u cant so dont bother making such claims.
lol @ "probably skillful" actually hes moving slightly faster then the bullets, and since when is moving at bullet speed slow anyway? I'm sure Kain would, since even regular humans are capable of blocking Kains attacks.
Because he was onscreen for about 10 minutes TOYING around with Cloud
Originally posted by Terryc250
The thing is, Kain needs to feed his reaver before he can use its power, and once its been fed he only has about a few seconds to use it before he has to feed it again.The homing projectile is slow compared to Sephiroth, and wont catch him, if Sephiroth doesnt allow it to
Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth vs Zack in the Last Order is basically noncanon due to Before Crisis. The Last Order is noncanon now because of that PSP game.
Though its not been stated anywhere, Sephiroth still pwned Zack, just not as bad.Thats a horrible speed feat, and stabbing a rock is not a feat either.
Sephiroth created Loz, who is just a fraction of his power, and Sephiroth is many many times superior, logic tells us hes faster, not to mention that Sephiroth is still fast even when hes not even exerting himself one bit.
Nah, FF villains are usually planetary threats capable of destroying the planet, not Kain.
What do you mean i assume? Materia is made from the lifestream, fact.. so how is that assuming?
Show me kain freezing time and ill believe you, but i know u cant so dont bother making such claims.
lol @ "probably skillful" actually hes moving slightly faster then the bullets, and since when is moving at bullet speed slow anyway? I'm sure Kain would, since even regular humans are capable of blocking Kains attacks.
Because he was onscreen for about 10 minutes TOYING around with Cloud
for your information many rocks are far denser than any building, even steel, especially since most buildings are made from thin layers of steel, Sephiroth slashing through buildings effortlessly<<<<Kain slashing through rock effortlessly, also Sephiroth has hardly slashed through anything, the cannon is part of a fake sparring program which dematerlises as soon as Sephiroth wins, what else has he cut with the sword effortlesly? show plz
just a fraction of his power, so he has to be so so much more powerful....rigghhtt, so what? maybe he is so so much more powerful but without a feat, he doesnt neccerily have to be faster, as well as so much more powerful....a tank can survive 100 machine gun shots...a man who created the tank, or started the assembly process and thought the machine up, is far slower and less durable than the tank, but either way, nothing so far shows sephiroth is as fast as Loz...no your failed fanboyism tells you he is faster
they destroy the planet through various machines half the time or other means, for example Sephiroth needs the life stream, hes nothing without that, nor the power to control the meteor, planetary threats? what do you mean by that, if you mean destroy the planet then how is this useful in this fight at all? thats assuming he can do anything to even try, since half of his planetary threats as you call them are slow....Kain would kill all the people in FF7 just to make the world under his rule, even if he ends up living it alone, then raise the dead as vampires...who needs to destroy the thing
your assuming that materia can be made quickly, your also assuming sephiroth can create any materia effect then and there, he does not even have the full power of the life stream
Terry Terry Terry, ive shown you alrdy, and infact tired of showing you the spell that freezes time, its pitiful, it really is to keep denying, and whats funnier is that almost this entire debate is made of your assumptions and your having a go at me for it? he has power of the concept of time itself with the emblem....you assume sephiroth can make materia, but he never has done and i know you cannot show me...so hell i may as well make some assumptions
nope, hes moving slower than the bullets, you can clearly see the bullets are slightly quicker than he is, luckily for him, he is prob about twice as fast as a normal human, also Regular humans when laddie? show me a non-gameplay element where Elder kain is blocked by a human? ....this should be good.....
kain is faster and stronger than any human and thats in BO 2, young kain who is <<<<<(x1000)Elder kain, he would break a man, and with one swing of his sword would likely break through any man made weapon and continue through the man with ease, especially since he can slice through rock like he does in the video ive shown you....stop making even more of a fool of yourself please
oh i see, if he was on screen a while longer he would of suddenly pulled a ton of powers..but nope, in 10 mins he gets pwned by cloud, Sephiroth is apprently both dumb, seemingly arrogent, and is defeated so many times its uncounted
Sephiroth is faster than Loz.You see him zipping around in his fight with Cloud. Your tank theory has truth but not with sephiroth. Loz Yazoo and Kadaj are remants of sephiroth. They are sephiroth broken up into three different pieces. They needed Jenova cells or mother to combine back and go into their full selves. That whats was suppose to be part of the ruenion. The ressurection of mother and the coming of the true herald.
Loz was suppose to represent sephiroth speed and strength. Yazoo his percision and elgance, and Kadaj his skill and power. So yes Sephiroth's speed is either equal to or more than Loz when it comes to speed.
Yes that was a trainning simulation. but the properties where stille the same. It was ment to simulate the battle field. So if sephiroth beam blade was ment to slice through the cannon it would have and it did. if it wasnt then it wouldnt have. Still is it that hard to beleive that Sephiroth cut through a canon with a energy attack. Its not that hard to beleive.
But yeah...just giving my two cents
Originally posted by Csdabest
Sephiroth is faster than Loz.You see him zipping around in his fight with Cloud. Your tank theory has truth but not with sephiroth. Loz Yazoo and Kadaj are remants of sephiroth. They are sephiroth broken up into three different pieces. They needed Jenova cells or mother to combine back and go into their full selves. That whats was suppose to be part of the ruenion. The ressurection of mother and the coming of the true herald.
Loz was suppose to represent sephiroth speed and strength. Yazoo his percision and elgance, and Kadaj his skill and power. So yes Sephiroth's speed is either equal to or more than Loz when it comes to speed.Yes that was a trainning simulation. but the properties where stille the same. It was ment to simulate the battle field. So if sephiroth beam blade was ment to slice through the cannon it would have and it did. if it wasnt then it wouldnt have. Still is it that hard to beleive that Sephiroth cut through a canon with a energy attack. Its not that hard to beleive.
But yeah...just giving my two cents
ive seen the fight, its only through his flight that makes him look faster than whta Loz is doing,infact i feel Loz looks faster, since Sephiroth you can see moving quite clearly and he even runs for a moment which does not look much faster than a few times the speed of the average man, maybe a sprinting athlete, but if what you say is true, then Sephiroths speed is likely equel to Loz, and what i said earlier was strangely correct about him being a piece representing sephiroths speed
well how could you be sure if the properties were the same? but as you say, he sliced it with a beam and looking at it, its unkown the strength of that armour since ive not seen it repel anything yet greater than sephiroths blade beam
fair enough, at least you give some information, unlike Terry who gives assumptions
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its faster than Loz so meh, Loz vid is a horrible speed feat, since Sephiroth has zero speed feats, hes even worsefor your information many rocks are far denser than any building, even steel, especially since most buildings are made from thin layers of steel, Sephiroth slashing through buildings effortlessly<<<<Kain slashing through rock effortlessly, also Sephiroth has hardly slashed through anything, the cannon is part of a fake sparring program which dematerlises as soon as Sephiroth wins, what else has he cut with the sword effortlesly? show plz
just a fraction of his power, so he has to be so so much more powerful....rigghhtt, so what? maybe he is so so much more powerful but without a feat, he doesnt neccerily have to be faster, as well as so much more powerful....a tank can survive 100 machine gun shots...a man who [B]created
the tank, or started the assembly process and thought the machine up, is far slower and less durable than the tank, but either way, nothing so far shows sephiroth is as fast as Loz...no your failed fanboyism tells you he is fasterthey destroy the planet through various machines half the time or other means, for example Sephiroth needs the life stream, hes nothing without that, nor the power to control the meteor, planetary threats? what do you mean by that, if you mean destroy the planet then how is this useful in this fight at all? thats assuming he can do anything to even try, since half of his planetary threats as you call them are slow....Kain would kill all the people in FF7 just to make the world under his rule, even if he ends up living it alone, then raise the dead as vampires...who needs to destroy the thing
your assuming that materia can be made quickly, your also assuming sephiroth can create any materia effect then and there, he does not even have the full power of the life stream
Terry Terry Terry, ive shown you alrdy, and infact tired of showing you the spell that freezes time, its pitiful, it really is to keep denying, and whats funnier is that almost this entire debate is made of your assumptions and your having a go at me for it? he has power of the concept of time itself with the emblem....you assume sephiroth can make materia, but he never has done and i know you cannot show me...so hell i may as well make some assumptions
nope, hes moving slower than the bullets, you can clearly see the bullets are slightly quicker than he is, luckily for him, he is prob about twice as fast as a normal human, also Regular humans when laddie? show me a non-gameplay element where Elder kain is blocked by a human? ....this should be good.....
kain is faster and stronger than any human and thats in BO 2, young kain who is <<<<<(x1000)Elder kain, he would break a man, and with one swing of his sword would likely break through any man made weapon and continue through the man with ease, especially since he can slice through rock like he does in the video ive shown you....stop making even more of a fool of yourself please
oh i see, if he was on screen a while longer he would of suddenly pulled a ton of powers..but nope, in 10 mins he gets pwned by cloud, Sephiroth is apprently both dumb, seemingly arrogent, and is defeated so many times its uncounted [/B]
OMG, you think Kains speed feat is faster then Loz'? Ok lets compare, i hope ppl can watch this and laugh
WHICH IS A GREATER SPEED FEAT
KAIN: (at 5:24)
YouTube video
LOZ: (at 3:05)
YouTube video
and theres ur proof of BT's giant bias fanboyism
Kain stabbed a rock... he didnt slash up any rocks wtf are you talking about.. the training program similated the actual battlespot, with real actual physics, notice the breeze? Or the water as the canons fell on it?
just a fraction of his power, so he has to be so so much more powerful....rigghhtt, so what? maybe he is so so much more powerful but without a feat, he doesnt neccerily have to be faster, as well as so much more powerful....a tank can survive 100 machine gun shots...a man who created the tank, or started the assembly process and thought the machine up, is far slower and less durable than the tank, but either way, nothing so far shows sephiroth is as fast as Loz...no your failed fanboyism tells you he is faster
Yes, if i gave something a fraction of my power, that would make me much more powerful, its common logic. Lets use Galactus for example, he gave the silver surfer a fraction of his powers, Silver Surfer displays speed feats left and right, tons and tons of times, waay more then Galactus, Galactus NEVER displays any speed feats, because he doesnt need to.. after hundreds and hundreds of comics, Galactus does display about one speed feat, which he moved across countless galaxies instantly, which is much faster then the Silver Surfer, AC Sephiroth was onscreen for about 10 minutes toying around with Cloud, and because he didnt display any speed feat then, you assume hes slower then Loz', thats horrible logic there, and fanboyism for Kain to beat Sephiroth is clearly clouding ur common sense.
nope, hes moving slower than the bullets, you can clearly see the bullets are slightly quicker than he is, luckily for him, he is prob about twice as fast as a normal human, also Regular humans when laddie? show me a non-gameplay element where Elder kain is blocked by a human? ....this should be good.....
Planetary threats meaning they have gained enough power to destroy the planet, having enough power to destroy a planet means they clearly have enough force to bring down a vampire with little effort, how can Kain kill ppl that are far more superior then him?
I never once said materia is created instantly, i even said Sephiroth can fly in there air and take his time to do whatever he needed.
Ummm... no you havent shown me? Ive asked you to show me about 10+ times now, and uve shown me a total of 2 very dissapointing videos, one to show me Kains uber teleporting which turned out to be slow as sh*t, and then you showed me Kains uber speed which made me laugh.
That was the only way the creators felt that Cloud can defeat Sephiroth, by giving Cloud an uber PIS move, then making Sephiroth play around like a moron... take out Cloud, put Kain in, take away PIS, and make Sephiroth at 100% and u have a quick match, with Sephiroth as the victor.
Originally posted by Terryc250
OMG, you think Kains speed feat is faster then Loz'? Ok lets compare, i hope ppl can watch this and laugh[b]WHICH IS A GREATER SPEED FEAT
KAIN: (at 5:24)
YouTube videoLOZ: (at 3:05)
YouTube videoand theres ur proof of BT's giant bias fanboyism
Kain stabbed a rock... he didnt slash up any rocks wtf are you talking about.. the training program similated the actual battlespot, with real actual physics, notice the breeze? Or the water as the canons fell on it?
Yes, if i gave something a fraction of my power, that would make me much more powerful, its common logic. Lets use Galactus for example, he gave the silver surfer a fraction of his powers, Silver Surfer displays speed feats left and right, tons and tons of times, waay more then Galactus, Galactus NEVER displays any speed feats, because he doesnt need to.. after hundreds and hundreds of comics, Galactus does display about one speed feat, which he moved across countless galaxies instantly, which is much faster then the Silver Surfer, AC Sephiroth was onscreen for about 10 minutes toying around with Cloud, and because he didnt display any speed feat then, you assume hes slower then Loz', thats horrible logic there, and fanboyism for Kain to beat Sephiroth is clearly clouding ur common sense.
Nope, its physically impossible to dodge that many bullets without moving at the speed of bullets, only twice as fast as regular humans?LOL.. they put Kains matchups against regular humans throughout the game for a reason you know, if Kain is soo much above regular humans then they wouldnt be using regular humans, in an army game you dont see the creators putting you up against mice do you? Sephiroth fights giant monsters, Sephiroth rarely ever (besides fighting protagonists well Cloud isnt a regular human) fights regular humansm well he massacred the whole shinra building in no time at all, thats about the only time he fought regular ppl.. or when he masscred the town.
Planetary threats meaning they have gained enough power to destroy the planet, having enough power to destroy a planet means they clearly have enough force to bring down a vampire with little effort, how can Kain kill ppl that are far more superior then him?
I never once said materia is created instantly, i even said Sephiroth can fly in there air and take his time to do whatever he needed.
Ummm... no you havent shown me? Ive asked you to show me about 10+ times now, and uve shown me a total of 2 very dissapointing videos, one to show me Kains uber teleporting which turned out to be slow as sh*t, and then you showed me Kains uber speed which made me laugh.
That was the only way the creators felt that Cloud can defeat Sephiroth, by giving Cloud an uber PIS move, then making Sephiroth play around like a moron... take out Cloud, put Kain in, take away PIS, and make Sephiroth at 100% and u have a quick match, with Sephiroth as the victor. [/B]
who you talking to? your adoring fans? or just SHM who is prob your sock or vice versa
kain if you look the distance moves in less than perhaps half a second across, sends his sword through the rock, thats a few inches in raziel, a few feet through the rock effortlessly....Sephiroth slashing buildings<<<Kain putting his sword basically through the entire rock with ease, infact doing that to a rock is far far more dififcult than slashing a rock, same if you tried slashing steel, much easier than putting your sword in a lunge through the whole layer of it.
oh my god, if anyones going to laugh at your post, its this, your comparing sephiroth to Galactus?, Galactus would destroy a million sephiroths without a problem, and yes so whats your point? Galactus does not move quickly, he usually teleports i think if he wants to get somewhere quick, but this is beyond the point, Sephiroth is as quick as Loz, according to Csdabest, and i belive his fairly intellectual approach to your assumptions and fanboyism. Doesnt take any fanboyism to see how easily Kain could slaughter your girly man
its not, if you have the reaction time, you dont have to move as fast, i go back to my james bond example, he has dodged machine gun fire, not like that but hes escaped it through running simply, as have many characters, you can clearly see he is not going as quick as the bullet when its in slow motion, slightly slower, luckily for him, he is faster than a human and with quick reactoin time, he can dodge them bullets, also Machineguns are innacurate weapons with a fairly strong recoil, half the bullets are likely to be missing him even if he wasnt moving.
know and you dont know anything about LOK, their part of the story, you dont know a tiny thing about LOk, kain fights elementals, demons, the Elder God who would btw stomp Sephiroth (Seph couldnt touch EG anyway), but regardless, those sarafan are not a threat to kain, you should know kain cannot die, so how can they be? he can destroy normal humans with ease....and now youve got 2 things for people to laugh at, with these two big paragraphs of funny fanboyism and rubbish from you, i almost feel sorry for you attrating attension to the post by trying to bismerch me. To Kain those sarafan are maggots, and so sephiroth is the mouse.
no its not clearly, its fanboyism, destorying the planet through various plot devices, or slow means like the meateor which is pathetic, its not really sephiroth doing anything but directing it, its not created out of his power unelss you can prove that meteor he created it. hes not just a vampire, he is an immortal deified godlike vampire who has the power to take on Sephiroth, Cloud and prob half of the cast of FF7 with great ease. Superior? who we talking about now....not mice like sephiroth?
flying wont help him, a nice quick teleport and sephiroths flight advantage is nothing
show you what? youve not asked me to show you anything?
all your posts make me laugh, ime glad we can laugh while doing this as well as cutting down your fanboyism perhaps
Sephiroth as Kains slave and with a hair cut
Originally posted by Furion
Sephiroth isn't a mouse, he's a snake. Sephiroth is capable of killing Kain.
Swordplay: Sephiroth
Magic:Kain
Sexyness: Sephiroth
Speed: Sephiroth I'll post a vid later to prove it.
Sephiroth wouldn't even care about Sarafan guards. He would kill them effortlessly.
Furion weve already got Wandering flame, (actually you the same person 😛 ) to say funny things in threads, nobody can "kill" kain, Sephiroth has no way of stopping kain
Swordplay: when? Sephiroth is not that great at all, kain has his own moves and his sword is far more powerful
magic: ofc
....sexyness? okie..lol ill give him that
Speed: okie, please do, ime tired of Terry's inability
Kain does kill them effortlessly....
Originally posted by Furion
Swordplay: Seph owns Kain in this. You know it.
Magic: Seph's meteor comes close
Sexyness: Damn Straight
Speed: I said i'll post a vid later when I get to use a better computer then the one I'm on now.
I know.
swordplay: not rly....Kains sword in one slash, the blast would throw sephiroths sword into the air, ive not to be honest seen much swordplay from sephiroth, he just flies after cloud and does the old, slash verticle that kain does against cloud
Magic: his meteor is nothing on kains variety of powers, kain could of beaten the whole group arranged against Sephiroth with a few waves of his hand...Meteor i admit is desturcitvely powerful
okie dokie
Originally posted by Furion
Crisis core he fought against 2 people at once. And those 2 people couldr uber alot of people. He did it effortlessly
please show me this, fighting people is not the same as swordplay, swordplay is extremely skillful swordsmenship, and with more moves than just lunges, verticle slashes etc etc