Sargreas vs Pyron

Originally posted by Burning thought
i think it works either way, since when does size have anything to do with ability of being possesed, its not like Sargs soul has size or shape and if it does, it is unlikely the size of a baby so the point is moot

i dont see Pyron resisting since he has nevre done so, so were guessing even more than suggesting Sarg has jupiter destroying blasts up his sleeve

i think the only way for pyron to win is from contiually smashing Sarg from range with nuclear explosions or excaping to another universe, eats tonnes more planets to become so enormous he dwarves a galaxy for real then slap Sargerus

A possession goes trough the chest and heart. There is no way for Sargeras to reach the heart of Pyron if he is at maximum size. Size does not matter for a possession, but range/distance does.

If Sargeras got an opening, I certainly doubt Pyron could do anything against it, but I just can not see him get any opening if Pyron is somewhat intellectual.

Pyron will indeed defeat Sargeras from a distance. I do hope he is not stupid enough to fight him in actual closecombat 😐 Otherwise it would litteraly be a waste of energy. It would be great power but no brain 😛

Originally posted by Fuddle
A possession goes trough the chest and heart. There is no way for Sargeras to reach the heart of Pyron if he is at maximum size. Size does not matter for a possession, but range/distance does.

If Sargeras got an opening, I certainly doubt Pyron could do anything against it, but I just can not see him get any opening if Pyron is somewhat intellectual.

Pyron will indeed defeat Sargeras from a distance. I do hope he is not stupid enough to fight him in actual closecombat 😐

well thats gonna be difficult, since apprently Sargerus would not be harmed by said attacks, Pyrons ranged powers consist of mini suns and beams, which are not immortal attacks from warcraft which is supposedly all that can truly harm a Sargerus going all out

you mean Sargerus possession does? are you sure...hmm, he was moving as a soul so i dont see why going through the chest or heart has anything to do with it, especialyl since Pyron technically has neither, hes all energy so i dont see him having such barriers for Sargerus, also Pyron being intellectual does not help him against a soul, he simply would not know, i have never heard of Pyron scrying out the unseen

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Not with energy, it can be corrupted far more simply

The World Tree a very powerful energy based lifeform.

Fuddle, Sarg needs to go thru the heart to possess people? Pyron doesn't have one.

Originally posted by Burning thought
well thats gonna be difficult, since apprently Sargerus would not be harmed by said attacks, Pyrons ranged powers consist of mini suns and beams, which are not immortal attacks from warcraft which is supposedly all that can truly harm a Sargerus going all out

you mean Sargerus possession does? are you sure...hmm, he was moving as a soul so i dont see why going through the chest or heart has anything to do with it, especialyl since Pyron technically has neither, hes all energy so i dont see him having such barriers for Sargerus, also Pyron being intellectual does not help him against a soul, he simply would not know, i have never heard of Pyron scrying out the unseen

Sargeras can always be harmed, but the only time he has been actually defeated was trough immortal magic. If someone had a fist the near size of a planet and smashed right at Sargeras, he would not stand tall (litteraly) for long.

The soul is by the heart in Warcraft terms. All possessions that has been done, has been done trough the chest and heart. If you wish to in any way manipulate a spirit, it is the heart you corrupt. Sure he was a lone spirit without physical body, but the soul still dwells in the chest.

I am not saying Pyron would be protected against a possession, I am just saying that if he plays from a distance, Sargeras will not be able to possess him. Like said, his range is limited.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Another non-sentient energy source...oh joy. There is a difference. Oh, and Pyron's energy>>>World Tree.

Fuddle, Sarg needs to go thru the heart to possess people? Pyron doesn't have one.

In Pyron's case, I believe the center core of his energetic body would be the target of possession. He may not have a heart, but he has something that keeps him running.

agreed, and he loses if he excists as a soul, altho technically its only a loss if you cannot do anything and are unable to do anything...I.e defeated, since Sarg can in theory still do something to pyron who would not see souls, he could follow Pyron for eternity until maybe hell eventually take him...hmm

i mean nothing Pyron can do to a soul or see it either, also pyron doesnt have a core afaik, he is simply all energy and shape, i dont think he has a heat or core, i think his soul is just there, i dont see where it says anywhere that the soul is by the heart in warcraft and if this is true, then i feel its irrelevent because Pyron is not from warcraft

Originally posted by Burning thought
agreed, and he loses if he excists as a soul, altho technically its only a loss if you cannot do anything and are unable to do anything...I.e defeated, since Sarg can in theory still do something to pyron who would not see souls, he could follow Pyron for eternity until maybe hell eventually take him...hmm

i mean nothing Pyron can do to a soul or see it either, also pyron doesnt have a core afaik, he is simply all energy and shape, i dont think he has a heat or core, i think his soul is just there, i dont see where it says anywhere that the soul is by the heart in warcraft and if this is true, then i feel its irrelevent because Pyron is not from warcraft

Pyron has a soul and it dwells somewhere within him. Wherever the soul dwells, there is his vournable point of possession.

Originally posted by Fuddle
In Pyron's case, I believe the center core of his energetic body would be the target of possession. He may not have a heart, but he has something that keeps him running.

Also, BT, Pyron can see across dimensions, as shown when he saw Makai while looking at earth. It isn't much of a stretch to say he can see souls.

Originally posted by Fuddle
Pyron has a soul and it dwells somewhere within him. Wherever the soul dwells, there is his vournable point of possession.

indeed, thats what i imagine, but i cba to call this fight, both have things they can do to win

Indeed, although Pyron has the advantage.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Also, BT, Pyron can see across dimensions, as shown when he saw Makai while looking at earth. It isn't much of a stretch to say he can see souls.

its a strong assumption imo, looking across dimensions is one thing, but Makai can be walked into by portal, wheras immaterial souls are diffrent, i dont see him, being able to see souls, especially since he has never said so before, ime not so sure about that

Pyron could barrage him with mini suns(altho at his full size, they would be more like normal suns).

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pyron could barrage him with mini suns(altho at his full size, they would be more like normal suns).

pff not neccerily, i stil have not seen evidence he is a normal sun in size at full size

i think at his full known size they will be like Earths but it doesnt matter, same effect

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Pyron could barrage him with mini suns(altho at his full size, they would be more like normal suns).

That is exactly what I have been trying to say. If Pyron opens his defenses and he lets Sargeras near, he is screwed, but if he keeps his distance he will win (Relativly speaking).

aye, Pyron can move FTL, so i dont see Sargs soul going into him unless he for some reason flies through it, but thats unlikely conisdering the size of the unvierse, kain will prob pop along not long after and steal the soul himself so pyron doesnt have to worry

Originally posted by Burning thought
pff not neccerily, i stil have not seen evidence he is a normal sun in size at full size

i think at his full known size they will be like Earths but it doesnt matter, same effect

The suns he makes are a little bigger than him, they will dwarf Earth.

Also, Sarg possessed Aegwyn's baby, after his body was destroyed, maybe he can only possess things without a body when he exists as a soul?

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He wears earth sized planets as small rings. 😬

The suns he makes are a little bigger than him, they will dwarf Earth.

Also, Sarg possessed Aegwyn's baby, after his body was destroyed, maybe he can only possess things without a body when he exists as a soul?

wha do you mean V2D?

its true only his soul comes out when Sargs body is destroyed but the baby wasnt born, Sarg waited in Aegywyn then took the baby when it was born or was it long after it was born i cant remember, i dont see how having a body makes a diffrent as long as the being has soul or essence hmm

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
He wears earth sized planets as small rings. 😬

The suns he makes are a little bigger than him, they will dwarf Earth.

Also, Sarg possessed Aegwyn's baby, after his body was destroyed, maybe he can only possess things without a body when he exists as a soul?

He possessed Medivh when he dwelled in Aegwynn's womb. Therefore going from one soul to another. It is unknown what his capabilities are without a body. He has been known use magic across the twisting nether, but I doubt he can possess people by being a plain spirit.

Originally posted by Burning thought
wha do you mean V2D?

its true only his soul comes out when Sargs body is destroyed but the baby wasnt born, Sarg waited in Aegywyn then took the baby when it was born or was it long after it was born i cant remember, i dont see how having a body makes a diffrent as long as the being has soul or essence hmm

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
What I am sayin is that maybe he can't just possess at will, maybe he staged that fight and lost so he could leave his body to possess him.

Sarg does have to leave his own body to possess his opponent yes