Sephiroth v.s. Raziel

Originally posted by Burning thought
A big lump of defenseless meteor rock already being burnt in atmopshere does not equel Raziel who defends himself and will swallow souls of the lifestream, it would be like using fire against a fire elemental, sending the lifestream, and Sephiroth will not even know where Raziel is, Raziel could be right behind him invisible and sephiroth will not know, then just TK Sephiroth down before he gestures the Lifestream into life to attack him, the defencesless sephiroth now gets stomped

Sephiroths TK? he can barely hold people let alone raziel who could still attack him from range and use his own TK to bind sephiroth solid, Sephiroth wouldnt even know if it hit him, if Raziel escaped. Its more likely Raziel will simply open his cowl and swallow the lifestream souls as SHM said they were.

To Raziel Sephiroth is dead if according to you theres no soul, it will just be a body of cells willed to life, Raziel will take host within the thing. [/B]

Originally posted by Terryc250
The meteor is still dense enough to basically destroy the planet,

Raziel cannot swallow souls of the lifestream, like i said, the souls raziel swallows are harmless, Lifestream is a weapon, and will destroy Raziels body upon contact with it, Raziels TK doesn't complete lock their opponents they are still capable of moving their body parts,

not only that but Sephiroth is much faster then Raziel, with a gesture the whole area is destroyed

He held 8 ppl fine, he brought down the top of a building with a mere thought, he held Holy for months, that is waay more then Raziel is capable of, again,

Raziel CANNOT swallow the lifestream, the lifestream is a weapon and will destroy him upon contact.
Sephiroth is alive, the cells are alive, no he cannot take over Sephiroth, as the body is Jenova and pure J-cells, and even if Sephiroth has a soul Raziel cannot simply open his cowl and take it, is Raziel capable of doing that to Kain?

okay, so sephiroth destroys the planet. raziel turns into his wraith form and finds a dead body to snatch. floats around using his tk and finds sephiroths dead body floating in space because he blew up the planet he was standing on, then proceeds to poke the body with the reaver till bored.

i've seen folks come into direct contact with the lifesteam and live to tell about it. raziel is far from the exception. he has showed to always be that margin of error (plot devices or not).

so in the case of the "unstoppable force v the immovable object." raziel wins.

i call bull on the sephiroth speed statement. raziels' shifting into realms is instant.

you should know that only a "weak soul" can be so easily harvested that raziel would only have to open his cowl.

he could and almost has killed kain. technically he's the only one who can. with the reaver which, is bonded to his arm.

i don't know what mumbo jumbo sephiroth is made up of but a soul is a soul to the reaver. you're starting to get into some plot semantics which are full of holes. it's not like this stuff is real. are you saying sephiroth doesn't have a soul? if so...

Originally posted by Burning thought
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To Raziel Sephiroth is dead if according to you theres no soul, it will just be a body of cells willed to life, Raziel will take host within the thing.

question: does the ff world not have souls wandering around? do all souls go to the lifesteam?

if so, what statements or evidence would suggest that raziel, couldn't feed from the lifestream?

see, the problem is some of the semantics. the ff world and the realm of nosgoth are quite different.

points being: if there are no souls to eat raziel starves. he might be able to shift but there wouldn't be any souls to eat.

although, i still don't see how the life stream can't be siphoned.

no amount of physical abuse can destroy raziel. kain had his heart ripped out and didn't die because only the reaver can kill him. same applies to raziel.

whether or not sephiroth has a soul, doesn't matter. a mortal wound from the reaver or any mortal wound for that matter, will end sephiecakes (ya know, with that ability to shift into another dimension and all). at least for a time, so long as there's no more of those "J-cells."

and what's more is; technically he could be stronger than one would think. i mean, how does a physical blade even block a wraith blade? does the blade only penetrate living beings? who knows? it's a game.

hate to kick a dead horse but, he can use any corpse at his disposal so long has he has enough souls to sustain a physical form. only the reaver can kill him, and it doesn't even kill him. it imprisons him, and sephiroth doesn't have one. and he can't use raziels because it's bonded to him.

now if it's a fight with the first one who's incapacitated being the loser, it could go either way.

a simple time spell could give sephie the "W" but he won't be able to kill him.

the failing of this fight is the lifestream is lame sauce and raziel is op.

Originally posted by geshien
[B]okay, so sephiroth destroys the planet. raziel turns into his wraith form and finds a dead body to snatch. floats around using his tk and finds sephiroths dead body floating in space because he blew up the planet he was standing on, then proceeds to poke the body with the reaver till bored.

i've seen folks come into direct contact with the lifesteam and live to tell about it. raziel is far from the exception. he has showed to always be that margin of error (plot devices or not).

so in the case of the "unstoppable force v the immovable object." raziel wins.

i call bull on the sephiroth speed statement. raziels' shifting into realms is instant.

you should know that only a "weak soul" can be so easily harvested that raziel would only have to open his cowl.

question: does the ff world not have souls wandering around? do all souls go to the lifesteam?

if so, what statements or evidence would suggest that raziel, couldn't feed from the lifestream?

no amount of physical abuse can destroy raziel. kain had his heart ripped out and didn't die because only the reaver can kill him. same applies to raziel.

whether or not sephiroth has a soul, doesn't matter. a mortal wound from the reaver or any mortal wound for that matter, will end sephiecakes (ya know, with that ability to shift into another dimension and all). at least for a time, so long as there's no more of those "J-cells."

and what's more is; technically he could be stronger than one would think. i mean, how does a physical blade even block a wraith blade? does the blade only penetrate living beings? who knows? it's a game.

hate to kick a dead horse but, he can use any corpse at his disposal so long has he has enough souls to sustain a physical form. only the reaver can kill him, and it doesn't even kill him. it imprisons him, and sephiroth doesn't have one. and he can't use raziels because it's bonded to him.

now if it's a fight with the first one who's incapacitated being the loser, it could go either way.

a simple time spell could give sephie the "W" but he won't be able to kill him.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Raziel can only go into his wraith form in the spiritual realm.

Not when its attacking something, it killed many ppl who were near Meteor

again, you can't kill raziel.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Not sure what you mean by this..?

wrestling lingo, forget about it...

Originally posted by Terryc250

Raziel cant shift into realms instant, he needs portals.

have you played defiance? he can shift into the astral realm anywhere. finding a host is another thing.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Not sure, thats what SHM says, but from what i recall when people die their bodies decompose, returns to the planet, and the conscience mixes in with the lifestream, don't recall anything about "souls"

like i said, who knows. i don't think raziel would "comply" to those rules anyways.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Because Raziel has only been shown to feed harmless souls, Lifestream as a weapon is deadly and would destroy his physical body

what!? you fail.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Sephiroth will just keep killing him then.

so you say...

Originally posted by Terryc250

Raziel can go to the spiritual realm anywhere/anytime he wants, however returning back to the material realm isn't so easy.

this contradicts your previous statement.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Sephiroths blade isn't exactly physical in AC you clearly see him creating it out of nothing.

what? so that means it must be made of some strange energies, right? no way is it made of just natural elements.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Then Sephiroth would just have to keep killing him then, this is like battling Sentry vs Deadpool

except deadpool can't shift into realms, use tk, eat souls, have ice, wind, fire, and earth powers, have superhuman strength, or own a soul eating reaver.

Originally posted by Terryc250

I'm pretty sure it counts as a win on KMC against immortals if one wins the battle, a battle to the death isnt exactly possible when one is basically immortal.

sephicakes can definitely die.

Originally posted by Terryc250

Raziel has time spells?

sorta. he can shift between realms. when in the astral realm, our world in contrast goes at a crawl, thus the difference in time is enormous. he could shift into the astral at 11pm, and while there get some groceries and a soda pop and still come back in time to check to see what's on adult swim at 11.01 pm.

either way, i think i'm done. i've seen your conversations with others on this. i'm not gonna waste any more time on it. i've said my piece.

if you don't hear me (or anyone else) by now, you're not gonna.

raziel is immortal. sephiroth isn't. 😕

Originally posted by geshien
again, you can't kill raziel.

raziel is immortal. sephiroth isn't. 😕