Originally posted by fascistcrusader
But when Raziel is spectral it is almost as if time freezes in the real world. Basically once you kill Raziel he pops up again nearly instantly, while from his perspective it takes a bit of time to reappear. Play Soul Reaver and you'll get what I'm talking about.
actually play the game and ull see that Burning Thought is trying to amp Kains powers more then it really is, I admit Kain is tough, but hes no match for planetary threats like AC Sephiroth, and Trance Kuja, theyre on a whole different level.
Ill say it again like i did in the other thread, Kain and Raziel are much slower, and much less powerful, he can teleport sure, but even his teleport is slow, he has to cast, and he takes a second to fade out, then a second to fade back in, by the time Kain does this, Sephiroth will be already at the spot.
Originally posted by Terryc250
actually play the game and ull see that Burning Thought is trying to amp Kains powers more then it really is, I admit Kain is tough, but hes no match for planetary threats like AC Sephiroth, and Trance Kuja, theyre on a whole different level.Ill say it again like i did in the other thread, Kain and Raziel are much slower, and much less powerful, he can teleport sure, but even his teleport is slow, he has to cast, and he takes a second to fade out, then a second to fade back in, by the time Kain does this, Sephiroth will be already at the spot.
no, your ridiculous love for girly man is quite pathetic indeed, i have not amped any of kains powers, infact your simply looking at gameplay while ime looking at canon and storyline, okie lets look at gameplay for Sephiroth....(w8s)...erm..hes not doing anything....(w8s) oh silly me its not his turn yet, my turn isnt it..... 🙄 durlaugh
which will once again be ignored for your nosgoth hate, yeh slower? not at all, when sephiroth is frozen in spectoral time? yeh rite.....less powerful? sephiroth cannot even take a soul, hes more destructivly powerful but in one on one combat, or many on one kain is king and Raziel is....hm..not queen but hes a prince wheras sephiroth put in the same list would be down the bottom with the worth of maybe a squire or scullary maid (see what i did...scullary maid...girly man!! lmao!! i kill myself, nah anyway moving swiftly on) he does not have to cast, sephiroth can move several miles in an instant, news to me, show me...kain teleports to the sarafan stronghold, which is halfway across nosgoth, also how is dimenstion teleporting slow? he could blitz sephiroth while dimensioning
Originally posted by Burning thought
no, your ridiculous love for girly man is quite pathetic indeed, i have not amped any of kains powers, infact your simply looking at gameplay while ime looking at canon and storyline, okie lets look at gameplay for Sephiroth....(w8s)...erm..hes not doing anything....(w8s) oh silly me its not his turn yet, my turn isnt it..... 🙄 durlaughwhich will once again be ignored for your nosgoth hate, yeh slower? not at all, when sephiroth is frozen in spectoral time? yeh rite.....less powerful? sephiroth cannot even take a soul, hes more destructivly powerful but in one on one combat, or many on one kain is king and Raziel is....hm..not queen but hes a prince wheras sephiroth put in the same list would be down the bottom with the worth of maybe a squire or scullary maid (see what i did...scullary [B]maid
...girly man!! lmao!! i kill myself, nah anyway moving swiftly on) he does not have to cast, sephiroth can move several miles in an instant, news to me, show me...kain teleports to the sarafan stronghold, which is halfway across nosgoth, also how is dimenstion teleporting slow? he could blitz sephiroth while dimensioning [/B]
lol, ur amping Kains power waaay more then it truely is.
All ur crap is BS unless you can actually prove it with vids (which you know you cant)
Once again show me him using this in battle, all ive seen is slowass teleporting from Kain, and why the f*ck am i jumping around like a monkey climbing crap trying to reach ledges if Kain is all so powerful?
Originally posted by Terryc250
lol, ur amping Kains power waaay more then it truely is.All ur crap is BS unless you can actually prove it with vids (which you know you cant)
Once again show me him using this in battle, all ive seen is slowass teleporting from Kain, and why the f*ck am i jumping around like a monkey climbing crap trying to reach ledges if Kain is all so powerful?
thats a useless and void statement, you have nothing to back it up at all, your overhpying sephiroth beyond anything he actually is, you say that just because he has control over a small portion of lifestream he can make any materia apprently 😆 🙄
prove what? that he can teleport? shown, also speed teleporting ive already shown you, much quicker than sephiroth......please stop with your own crap if you dont want crap in debates, i can very much likely show you anything, now wheras sephiroh moving large distances at great speed?
because your playing the game....if it was proper kain, he would do as youve shown in several videos, teleport.....but you cant even use teleport in gameplay.....
also how is climbing to reach ledges a test of strength? your hating on kain because he cannot fly?
Originally posted by Burning thought
thats a useless and void statement, you have nothing to back it up at all, your overhpying sephiroth beyond anything he actually is, you say that just because he has control over a small portion of lifestream he can make any materia apprently 😆 🙄prove what? that he can teleport? shown, also speed teleporting ive already shown you, much quicker than sephiroth......please stop with your own crap if you dont want crap in debates, i can very much likely show you anything, now wheras sephiroh moving large distances at great speed?
because your playing the game....if it was proper kain, he would do as youve shown in several videos, teleport.....but you cant even use teleport in gameplay.....
also how is climbing to reach ledges a test of strength? your hating on kain because he cannot fly?
Speed teleporting? NO YOU HAVENT, PLZ SHOW ME! Show me without ANY delay or cast.
Kain isnt as powerful as u make him, the guy gets brought on his knees by a wand crawling for his sword.
Originally posted by Burning thought
stronger? kain is far more powerfulno which Sephiroth cannot, another claim without anything, the love of Sephiroths fans win his battle for him, you have nothing on Raziel
you have not played the games at all and have incredible bias towards sephiroth in every thread you go into, you claim things but dont debate them, the same as you do in this one infact, ofc you agree with Terry, are you also Terry by any chance?
Bias or not, everything I say about Sephiroth is truth. And I already proved that with videos, interviews with the creators, quotes from the FFVII books, etc.
The only thing I'm seeing you do, is state something about Kain, and then someone else shows a video proving you wrong.
My god, some days/months ago you was arguing that Kain was Skyfather level! At least I don't try to convince people that Sephiroth is in the same level of Odin, or 100% Pyron, or that he can beat full-power KOS-MOS.
If I'm biased, I don't even know what you are.
Originally posted by SHM
Bias or not, everything I say about Sephiroth is truth. And I already proved that with videos, interviews with the creators, quotes from the FFVII books, etc.The only thing I'm seeing you do, is state something about Kain, and then someone else shows a video proving you wrong.
My god, some days/months ago you was arguing that Kain was Skyfather level!
If I'm biased, I don't even know what you are.
no you have not..wtf...when have you EVER shown me a video, now your plain lieing
no one has proven me wrong at all...when have i been proven wrong, just because Terry disagrees the teleportation is slow simply because he decides it, its true? ive seen some of the beloved sephiroth vids, hes not as fast as people say it seems
he has many powers, loads, from nifty abilities and being unkillable, it gives him an edge, all he does not have is matter creation and overall destruction
Originally posted by Terryc250
No its facts, materia is created from the lifestream, now where is ur proof that he only has a small portion of the lifestream? Hes been infecting the lifestream for years, and ppl dying of geostigma have been adding to his negative lifestream rate, with a wave of his hand he covered all of Midgar (by far the largest city in FFVII world) now imagine if he exerted himself bringing out all of it.Speed teleporting? NO YOU HAVENT, PLZ SHOW ME! Show me without ANY delay or cast.
Kain isnt as powerful as u make him, the guy gets brought on his knees by a wand crawling for his sword.
yeh apprently Sephiroth can make any materia out of it on a whim? sow me this, infact show me how materia is created as well plz. Your guessing again, whos to say if he exerted himself it would be any faster?....your guessing again, all the time you guess, just because its fast when he does it on a whim, maybe its no diffrent if he excerts himself? hell if kain can on a whim slow time, if he actually tries he would stop it completly all around him, including sephiroth...kwl, i like your exagerations
yes ive shown you, theres cast, which takes bout less than second, then theres the fade, which takes no cast, but it takes no time to start to fade, in which time Sephiroth wont be doing anything, in the time it takes sephiroth to move, Kain will be gone and will appear if he wishes a long distance away, hell he could appear out of sephiroths reach and easy make a manourvre
that affects his heart, its a special plot device Sephiroth could never replicte nor any character in FF, unforutnaltey, kain has no heart anymore so that does not work.....phaaillelee!!
Kain is not "far more powerfu" than Raziel
they are about equal in all physical stats
and Raziel controls magics that directly tie to Kain's vampiric weaknesses to water and fire
Raz could not kill Kain but causing him to dissolve into bat form to flee a Water Glyph should count as a win
then there remains nothing Kain can do would kill or incapacitate Raziel
Originally posted by 123KID
Kain is not "far more powerfu" than Raziel
they are about equal in all physical stats
and Raziel controls magics that directly tie to Kain's vampiric weaknesses to water and fire
Raz could not kill Kain but causing him to dissolve into bat form to flee a Water Glyph should count as a win
then there remains nothing Kain can do would kill or incapacitate Raziel
it would be an endless battle, but he is far more powerful, he has the power of all the balance glyphs and he cannot die, wheras kain can incapaicate Raziel, simply stick him with the reaver and he is taken
phyical stats maybe, but i was using the ridiculous logic of Terry, Vampiric weakness to fire? kain has not got any such weakness against fire....the only vamps with weakness against fire are the lesser creations of kains sons, the only thing kain has the tiniest weakness against is water, running water
not really, why should turning into batform count as a win, its not incapaictation, kain could defeat Raziel with the reaver, he has the one plot device weapon that can defeat Raziel
also this depends, if its Kain with the soul reaver VS Raziel then the same would likely happen as it did in SR 1, the blade would shatter, but kain can still make Raziel go spectoral many times over and over like he does, if that happens it would be an endless battle, if its just kain with the reaver tho, it would absorb raziel
😛 lies. dint u say this guy has white hair or sumfin like sephiroth? i mean if so, then thats 3 guys with white hair, Kain also has long white hair 🙄 i mean heavens above, why is white so populor, i guess it depicts old characters well, or ancient guys or serious ones, wheras a brown seems plain and blonde is usually used for heroes rather than antogonists
Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh apprently Sephiroth can make any materia out of it on a whim? sow me this, infact show me how materia is created as well plz. Your guessing again, whos to say if he exerted himself it would be any faster?....your guessing again, all the time you guess, just because its fast when he does it on a whim, maybe its no diffrent if he excerts himself? hell if kain can on a whim slow time, if he actually tries he would stop it completly all around him, including sephiroth...kwl, i like your exagerationsyes ive shown you, theres cast, which takes bout less than second, then theres the fade, which takes no cast, but it takes no time to start to fade, in which time Sephiroth wont be doing anything, in the time it takes sephiroth to move, Kain will be gone and will appear if he wishes a long distance away, hell he could appear out of sephiroths reach and easy make a manourvre
that affects his heart, its a special plot device Sephiroth could never replicte nor any character in FF, unforutnaltey, kain has no heart anymore so that does not work.....phaaillelee!!
Anyone who has played FF7 knows that materia at its rawest form is just lifestream, ask anyone who has played it.
theres a cast, then theres a 1 second fade out, then a 1 second fade in, which makes it SLOW compared to regular movement speed of Sephiroth, the only thing Kains teleporting will be good for is running, thats if Sephiroth doesnt finish him before he casts or fades.. but remember Sephiroth has much more destructive force, he'll fly up in the sky and use his negative lifestream or whatever magic he has in his arsenol at the time, and hunt Kain down and finish him.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Anyone who has played FF7 knows that materia at its rawest form is just lifestream, ask anyone who has played it.theres a cast, then theres a 1 second fade out, then a 1 second fade in, which makes it SLOW compared to regular movement speed of Sephiroth, the only thing Kains teleporting will be good for is running, thats if Sephiroth doesnt finish him before he casts or fades.. but remember Sephiroth has much more destructive force, he'll fly up in the sky and use his negative lifestream or whatever magic he has in his arsenol at the time, and hunt Kain down and finish him.
so, show me, ive not played FF7, everyone whos played all 5 LOK games knows Kain would crush sephiroth into the dirt at the same time as most FF characters, and thats if i agree he can make any materia, but thats not all ime askiing, ime asking you to show me anything that says Materia can be created instantly by sephiroth simply from lifestream....ill use your argument, sephiroth may have the bread (lifestream) but can you show me the toaster? (the means to create the lifestream), also you just said rawrest form, it takes a transaction to make it into a pure form (the materia final)
theres no cast at all m8....cast in what? he doesnt cast anything to teleport in SR 1 video, and theres no real cast in dimension teleport, you simply activate the ability, he goes green and a second later, he blitzes all opponents much faster than what Sephiroth has shown, and thats beliving he can move as quick as Loz anyway. Kains normal teleport is good for giving him distance on Sephiroth, in that distane he can put up his shield=Sephiroth a gonner, or simply go into another dimension, perhaps spectoral, which ofc Sephiroth is doomed again, or he could simply shoot a time bolt or more than one, activate the time reaver so all time around him goes to a crawl, sephiroth wont be able to go into melee range....he fades instantly, there is no cast.....his destructive forces like meteor are slow and the negative lifestream would not do anything......Sephiroth wouldnt even gesture before he is blown to pieces by a Soul reaver strike. Thats using normal Teleport, Dimension teleport will blitz sephiroth and kains first hit would finish the guy...
kain will never be hunted lol...Sephiroth will simply be to arrogent to run, which ofc wil be his downfall to someone like Kain who is more than his match