Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, those were regarding Final Crisis.And 😂 @ simply falling on the ground. Did she also just closed her eyes and contorted her body for this "just falling"?
You are full of excuses as usual.
Yea her eyes closed and her body contorted as she hit the ground. Im sure an all out hv blast can do that to people.
Once again, how it goes against the last version of post crisis Superman who was powered up in Infinite Crisis?
What about this?
http://i.imgur.com/1OfZd2v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1WR7PFT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6ML710b.jpg
Bam! Oneshotted.
http://i.imgur.com/plaIGPc.jpg
Damn, she never even had a chance against someone with a portion of Superman's powers. Lulz.
Yep, this is going to be fun.
Originally posted by Letters
WW 219 was an accurate representation of both characters imo. Superman is stronger, WW is more skilled. Despite being hvd at point bank range, strangled, tanking all out Superman punch, surviving the heat of reentry, tanking freeze breath and having her wrist snapped, yes despite all of that, she still won.
It's an accurate representation of him mentally compromised. It's an accurate representation of his blatant physical superiority over her. An accurate representation of a no extenuating circumstance fight? Nope, your opinion is greatly flawed.
Superman showed to be much stronger, and of course Wonder Woman will come off more skilled than someone fighting like an idiot. The heat vision wouldn't be pleasant, but considering his more impressive heat vision showings, it couldn't have really contributed to her KO. Strangled? Perhaps. Tanked his punch? Only an idiot would think she tanked it, considering the comic blatantly says she's unconscious. Surviving reentry heat? That shows how desperate the WW side is. Top-Tiers surviving reentry heat ain't shit. Even Namor and Martian Manhunter have, and they have a specific weakness to heat/fire. Tanking freeze breath? We know it didn't take her out. Dunno if it hurt her or not. Good thing for her this was before his Post-INFINITE CRISIS power-up or it would've taken her out. Wrist snapped? Yep, she could still fight despite that, not a big deal though, Superman's had worse he's fought through and her whole "I'm an Amazon!!" shtick means she should take that in stride. And, in the end, she only technically won. Had Superman had the mental facilities he could've dodged or deflected it. She's lucky he just stood there while she was still recovering from his punch.
Originally posted by Letters
In A League of One we learn it is not her goal to KO Superman or even really fight him but to weaken him. Which she accomplished with 2 kicks.
She sure didn't have anything against KOing Kyle or Bruce or J'onn. Perhaps, she was UNABLE to KO him? Hell, she even says, "I knew I couldn't beat you." So even in one of his lesser showings against her, he still completely dominates her. And doesn't even think of her as a threat. Not good for you.
Originally posted by Letters
In For Tomorrow Diana looks superior in the actual fight part of that fight. After Superman avoids and catches her sneak attack and warns her and hv warning shots at her, they are both ready, BAM -sheild bash! (I guess he wasn't fast enough to see that one coming lol!) then he gets kicked right out of the mountain. Diana then decides to disengage and go to the machine.So ya at the end of that fight part she does look superior. After that Supes attacks her with his back turned. And shes so stupid in that comic anyway. Instead of running up and ripping that machine to shreads she stands there and poses with the knife so Superman can backhand her. Well whatever. Not the best representation of how a fight would go down between them imo.
She had her moments, but El Oh PHUCKING EL that she looked superior in "the actual fight part of that fight." She is rather motivated. He treats her like she's nothing. That's before the fight even starts. She lunges at him, he spins around and grabs her wrist stopping it. She does manage to cut his cheek, I guess vibrating her hand with the blade barely away from his face. Yeah, she does charge and bashes him with the shield. I never said she didn't have her moments. He probably got caught because he thought nothing of her. And really, he shows she's well below him. Yep, she sends him through with a kick. Etrigan knocked Superman to the MOON with a punch. More impressive. Even without considering a kick is more powerful than a punch. And Superman is stronger than Etrigan. A Top-Tier sending a Top-Tier more powerful than them with a punch isn't the be-all-end-all. And yeah, Wonder Woman doesn't smash the machine. Lucky for her, 'cuz then Superman would be pissed. I notice you make a big deal about her standing there, but don't mention at all that in SACRIFICE, Superman stands there and lets Diana recover after KTFOing her(and reentry waking her up) when she was awake but still down, instead of finishing her off. Her not breaking the machine means.....she didn't get his wrath. It actually saves her. Superman zips right in front of her, and sends her flying with a backhand. Now peers can send each other flying with punches(so her kick isn't that big a deal), but I don't think I've seen a peer sending another peer flying with a BACKHAND like he did her. Then he catches her punch, and they kinda talk. And she stops. And she looks better?
Originally posted by Letters
In WW175 wasnt that Supes combined wirh Doomsdays powers? So he was way powerful and Diana kept up with him all the way to the end. Their were outside circumstances affecting both iirc.
It's assumption he as combined with Doomsday's powers. He did have that look going, but the only actual enhancement that was clear would be the bone protrusions. Which actually were a factor a whole one point in the fight. Considering how physically outmatched she is against both Superman and Doomsday, if he had DD's powers stacked on his, she would've been killed despite him being mentally compromised. And if you mean "a mix of good moments and struggling to survive" then I guess she kept up with him. There were some other outside circumstances(her lasso being taken away for a portion of the fight) but he proved to be significantly above her. She even blocked an attack with her BRACERS and said "Two more attacks like that will kill me!!" or something like that. I'm perfectly fine with it being hyperbole and he wouldn't literally have killed her, but it shows just how blatantly above her he is if she's freaking-out like that by the force even with her bracers. She was really only able to hurt him striking vulnerable areas, which, considering his mind was primitive, he couldn't avoid like he could in a normal fight. She won by lassoing him(she ended-up getting it back) while he was distracting and undoing Circe's spell.
Originally posted by Letters
Superman has defeated WW at least once tho. In the 10th circle JLA story he proves he can win, if he gets 2 sucker shots, plays possum, and has 3 vampire buddies sacrifice their lives, THEN he can beat her.
Well first off, I doubt Superman was in peak condition. He was fed on by Crucifer, and IIRC was out of the Sun for some time, so he wouldn't replenish. What happened to normal humans Crucifer fed on?
Yeah, he turned normal humans into husks. How much of an effect would this have on Superman? Unknown, but between that and no sunlight for a time, you can hardly argue he'd be in peak condition. Then the vampires. there were only two "vampire buddies" that "sacrificed their lives." Plus Crucifer. But on the vampires. er You mean the standard No-Name kind that Batman handled on his own?
REALLY? Now, of course they can provide a distraction, but for a Top-Tier like Wonder Woman, especially with that sword that decapitated them? A distraction is all they'd be. Crucifer definitely seemed more a threat, but we're not focusing on him. Although he was the puppet master behind Superman in that fight. Now, in regards to what actually happened in the fight, it was her best performance, as she actually looked fairly even there with him. Fairly even with a mentally compromised, weakened Superman. You can argue the sucker punch(which wasn't much of a punch, but surely wasn't pleasant for her) and "playing possum," and I do agree the vampires were a distraction, but ignoring that and focusing on the actual performance? Yeah, she looks evenish against a weaned, handicapped Superman.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Wonder%20Woman/JLA%2096
What about during KING OF THE WORLD where the best she could do was stalemate him despite back-up from the JLA? He also tossed her like a ragdoll.
And I could bring-up more stuff relevant to the topic.
Originally posted by Letters
Direct confrontations hold more weight than indirect confrontations.Yet WW still has a winning record and has looked superior in nearly every fight they've had. Amazing how you are able to delude yourself to such an extent. Quite an imagination you have there little fella.
LMFAO. Wow... and I thought Quan was the ignorant one. Please post scans and issue numbers of "WW looking superior in nearly every confrontation they've had." She's NEVER beaten him other than the technical victory she got in Sacrifice and even in that fight it proves he's far above her. Everytime they've fought he's had the better showing. You sound like just another ignorant Superman hater. She's not in his league. PERIOD. He's in a tier clearly above her. If he were in his right mind while he was fighting her in Sacrifice and he had the intention of killing her she'd be dead.
Also, WW looks superior in "For Tomorrow"? Dude, I don't know if you're blind or just stupid. He looked much better in that so-called "fight". He was bitchslapping her around and he wasn't even really trying and that was clearly evident. He even turns his back on her because yes, he's oh so frightened of her.
Originally posted by Letters
Direct confrontations hold more weight than indirect confrontations.Yet WW still has a winning record and has looked superior in nearly every fight they've had. Amazing how you are able to delude yourself to such an extent. Quite an imagination you have there little fella.
Not exactly an indirect comparison. That was a chick cursed by Zeus who drained people, she drained Superman with a touch, one-shot Wonder Woman, and drained him more, one-shot Diana again. And Superman took her punch, while weakened, better than WW did.
While it's true their direct fights hold more weight, if you don't spin their fights like you clearly do, and pay attention to context for the two fights she's won(and still came-out looking inferior), then it's quite clear he beats her. Stuff like that cursed chick and SuperBat are just corroborative evidence.
Originally posted by Star428
LMFAO. Wow... and I thought Quan was the ignorant one. Please post scans and issue numbers of "WW looking superior in nearly every confrontation they've had." She's NEVER beaten him other than the technical victory she got in Sacrifice and even in that fight it proves he's far above her. Everytime they've fought he's had the better showing. You sound like just another ignorant Superman hater. She's not in his league. PERIOD. He's in a tier clearly above her. If he were in his right mind while he was fighting her in Sacrifice and he had the intention of killing her she'd be dead.
If you're talking Quanny's take on this topic, she's just arguing because Superman fans are in the topic winning. I've seen Quanny argue for Superman beating Wonder Woman against Fangirl101 over on HeroChat, Fangirl is like a more aggressive female version of Letters. In fact, Quanny argued many of the same things about the context of the SACRIFICE fight against Fangirl that she ignores here when I brought them up to her.
You also bring up "A League of One" as an argument for her supposed "superiority"? 😆 . Dude, she admitted to his face that she couldn't beat him in that story. Those two kicks she got in on him were "sucker kicks". If she were so superior to him as you claim then why did she have to resort to sneak attacks? While we're on the subject, why was she hiding from him in Sacrifice when they were back on Earth after she was KTFO with one punch if she was so superior to him?
Originally posted by Star428
You also bring up "A League of One" as an argument for her supposed "superiority"? 😆 . Dude, she admitted to his face that she couldn't beat him in that story. Those two kicks she got in on him were "sucker kicks". If she were so superior to him as you claim then why did she have to resort to sneak attacks? While we're on the subject, why was she hiding from him in Sacrifice when they were back on Earth after she was KTFO with one punch if she was so superior to him?
He also argues her plan wasn't to knock him out like it proves she could, it just wasn't her plan to. She didn't have any issues against KOing or otherwise incapacitating the rest of the JLA, but for some reason she was able to but decided against it with Superman, apparently.
