Superman vs. Wonder Woman

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carver9 Senior Member

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I follow your line of reasoning; you're trying to say that, because Max is cruel he's trying to stretch the fight out for his own enjoyment.
And he probably is.
The only problem with your line of reasoning is that Max doesn't have control over how psychotic Superman is after Max makes him snap. He can't dial Superman back down to the level of force Superman was using against "Ruin" in the previous episode.
And he hasn't. Proof is that Superman's punch sends Diana over 20 million miles away when he finally connects. That's not [b]Superman holding back in the least.
Like Rucka says, he's going to kill Doomsday, period.
Max may have other plans, and be calm, and cool, and collected, but Clark isn't. That's the wildest, fullest-force punching the man can muster.[/B]

Fair enough, but a psychotic episode is this:

Psychosis
Consult a doctor if you have a medical concern.
Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality that usually includes: False beliefs about what is taking place or who one is (delusions) ; Seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations)

Superman having the intention of making Doomsday suffer it means no intention of killing, just causing pain, while I probably believe WW received a very strong punch (after all she got KO'ed) it wasn't Clark's most powerful punch, if it where a punch intended to kill Doomsday it will have been a stronger punch than a punch delivered to make Doomsday suffer, unless of course you could think that Wonder Woman is somehow more resistant than Doomsday and that she will be able to survive a punch intended to kill Doomsday.

Do you think Wonder Woman will survive a punch intended to kill Doomsday

Do you think that a punch designed to hurt Doomsday will KO Diana?

Which one makes more sense?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Bottom line, given Rucka's interview AND Wonder Woman #219 and the fact that the issue you keep referencing only contains the fragmented memories of Superman's mind after he goes temporarily insane, you would have to find me episodes of Superman similarly enraged and punching like he punches Diana to have a chance of convincing me you're right, let alone convince me that Rucka thinks you are.

Well you are ignoring picking and choosing what you might want to find to be true and disregarding a comic RELATED to WW #219 written by the SAME writer and part of the same arc, but somehow you want to dis miss it for an interview and then on top of that you ask me to find an all out Superman under Greg Rucka. Which it makes it almost impossible, but guess what I found?

Here is a NOT MENTALLY handicapped Superman making a short work of a military kryptonian, because he is using Batman's training

I wonder How the fight will have gone, if Rucka decided to use a non mentally handicapped Superman who thinks straight

He KO the guy, not intention of killing there

Now lets go to the other direct comparison

Rucka's power level between Alpha 1 and Alpha 2

Wonder Woman vs Omacs

Also notice how Wonder Woman is still injured from her encounter with Superman while Superman healed right away. Wonder Woman had a tougher time defeating the Omac than Superman had

Superman vs Omacs

Superman is actually dealing with two problems yet see how easily he defeats the Omac

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/P00012_zps2504e609.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/P00013_zpsd474cea6.jpg.html
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http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/P000161_zps92a54875.jpg.html

All this under Rucka

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by Letters
WW 219 is the most formidable version of Superman WW has ever fought. He was a brutal non holding back fighting machine with effective tactics against her. In fact, the mind control only enhanced his formidability as hes done the most damage to her in that fight.

He's KOed/TKOed her out twice outside that fight and broke her wrist before. All the other times they've fought he treated her like she's nothing, and still comes-out looking blatantly superior. You're spinning this to make Wonder Woman look better than she really did.

Originally posted by Letters
Everyone knows Superman is stronger. The strongest opponent doesn't always win y'know.

I know the strongest doesn't always win. My point is he showed his blatant physical superiority despite being mentally handicapped.

Originally posted by Letters
Its the most straight up fight they have against each other with very little outside interference. If any.

He thought she was Doomsday, amongst other things. Only idiots think that has no "outside interference." For ****'s sake, he was aiming his heat vision at the sky.

Originally posted by Letters
WW has always been more skilled and Supes didn't fight like an idiot. He used all of his powers in combination and caused major damage.

Supes thought WW was Doomsday. DD can't fly. Instead of keeping it in space where Supes would have a significant mobility advantage against DD, he sent her back to Earth. That's fighting like an idiot.

Originally posted by Letters
WW is very durable and fast enough to block or dodge most hv blasts.

Unless you think she was less durable in that issue of FINAL CRISIS, she was one-shot as a SIDE-EFFECT of his heat vision. I'm pretty sure Despero is more durable than Wonder Woman. Look how well he took Superman's Heat Vision.

I highly doubt that Wonder Woman could shrug-off Orion's Astro-Force like General Eling(in Shaggy Man's body) did. Look what Superman's heat vision did.

Just a few examples. The heat vision Wonder Woman took to the face was weak sauce.

Originally posted by Letters
Yes strangled. Its painfully obvious.

You misunderstood me, but that's to be expected. I was saying PERHAPS it would've contributed to her being KTFOed.

Originally posted by Letters
Then got back up after just a few seconds.

That's hilarious. I'll tell why later.

Originally posted by Letters
Did they go on to defeat a Superman level being directly after surviving re-entry?

Stupid strawman. You brought up her surviving reentry heat like it's some big deal. That's a shit durability feat for a Top-Tier unless they're weak against heat/fire. Not to mention your oversimplification of Wonder Woman winning requires ignoring context.

Originally posted by Letters
Well it was freeze breath intended to hit Doomsday so it was prolly pretty strong.

Heat vision he used was weak sauce, so who knows about the freeze breath? Anyways, Post-INFINITE CRISIS when he was powered-up from before SACRIFICE, he one-shot Bizarro, who is superior to Wonder Woman, with freeze breath.

Originally posted by Letters
Too bad there is no proof of that. And Superman will never get another chance.

You mean him having bigger feats, improved performances, statements that acknowledge improvement and a new power isn't proof of power-up? 😆 And I gotta love the "never get another chance." Shows how desperate you are.

Originally posted by Letters
Ya WW is super tough and defeated Superman with a broken wrist.

Superman fought Gog despite being impaled and injected with liquified Kryptonite. Still fought and beat Weapons Master despite his durability being weakened(from that Kryptonite) to the point bullets went through him. He got shot multiple times, stabbed in the shoulder and almost drowned and still won. When weakened further and was artificially aged to about 60something, couldn't fly, he faced Preus(who wrecked Martian Manhunter) and still fought him despite suffering I think it was a heart attack. I'm not saying a broken wrist would've help her performance, but a Top-Tier facing someone with a broken wrist isn't shit, especially for someone who's supposed to be as mentally tough as Wonder Woman. Hell, Superman beat Imperiex Probes with a broken arm, and Imperiex Probes>>Wonder Woman. Plus, your oversimplification and lack of context.

Originally posted by Letters
She had the upperhand at the end of the fight with Superman stunned and defenseless. Its far from a technicality.

And this is one of the reasons why context F's you in the A, against your consent, lube, or even buying you dinner first, and makes you spoon after while sweetly whispering in your ear how you're now its b!tch, while you softly cry and try to think happy thoughts. Then context doesn't even call you the next day. Context is such a jerk.
Superman was basically shocked out of his illusion. He was still emotional and confused. He just learned Lois didn't die. He only saw an illusion. When he got his wits about him, he slammed her into the wall.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Healing%20Factor/Heals%20Slit%20Throat%20In%20Moments
To prove a slit throat wouldn't stop him under NORMAL conditions, let's take a look at him fighting Kryptonite Man enhanced Batman. Who slit his throat.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Batman/Kryptonite%20Man-Enhanced%20Batman
Superman was holding back since he didn't know how enhanced Batman was, and didn't want to hurt him. So, unless you're trying to argue that Superman will be amped by the Kryptonite he's being exposed to while his throat was slit, clearly he was only helpless due to his emotional state, from the context you gleefully leave out. A slit throat ain't stopping Superman even while under Kryptonite, so it sure as Hell wouldn't have stopped him in SACRIFICE had it not been for his emotional state. Hence, she got a technical win.

Originally posted by Letters
Superman proved more than capable of dodging the tiara as proven when he dodged WW's superspeed lasso attack in the same issue. The tiara was just too fast.

Max was directing Superman.

"What is MAX making him see NOW? It's like he KNOWS what I'm trying to DO--like he KNOWS what the LASSO can--do--"
Unless you think that wasn't the writer's intent and he just made Diana narrate that for shits and giggles?

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by Letters
You mean when she was trying to reason with him? (Holding back) then he immediately freeze breath attacked her? Lol. Ya he sure let her recover there :-\

Laying in the crater.

We see Superman's there, just standing there, in the middle of the page.

And she's still laying on the ground. We know she's conscious, because when she gets back to Earth, it says reentry heat wakes her up. So, yeah, she's still down and can't get back up yet. Then what?

Her trying to reason with him came AFTER she had time to recover. Unless you think she was just layin' there chillin' for some reason when she knows Superman is after her?

Originally posted by Letters
Superman is lucky she decided to not decapitate him with the tiara.

Yeah, Superman's so lucky Wonder Woman was just chillin'. /sarcasm

Originally posted by Letters
Yes at the time she felt she couldn't beat him. Thats why she didn't even want to fight him, just weaken him. Which she did with 2 kicks lol.

You're so proud that a low showing for Superman, Wonder Woman still gets dominated and says she can't beat him. So, which is it? Her skill isn't that great, or his combat speed is so blatantly ahead of her's that he owns her hand-to-hand despite her great skill and her own speed?

Originally posted by Letters
She did. After the hv warning shot Superman is done playing and they are both ready. She hits him twice compared to his once and even gets a technical bfr.

"Technical BFR." 😂 That's one of the stupidest things I've read in a while. This isn't sumo wrestling where you win just because you push your opponent out of the circle. It's only a BFR if the opponent is unable to return in a short amount of time. Since Superman can fly FTL, she can't BFR him no matter how far she knocks him on Earth, without extenuating circumstances.

Originally posted by Letters
Thats his mistake. He gets outskilled and kicked out of the mountain because of it.

And came right back despite having to stop to save someone in a helicopter. But again, you think that's a "technical BFR." :laughs:

Originally posted by Letters
Ya I know.
He couldn't even react while looking right at her.
Actually its prolly because of her skill and speed, as he was ready for her and even warned her with an hv blast showing he was serious.

Her "skill and speed" failed to successfully connect on him two out of three times where they weren't super close, and she couldn't react to him zipping right in front of her and backhanded bitchslapping her across the room. He was nonchalant about her the whole fight. That seems to indicate he's much too fast for her and the shield bash was successful because he wasn't taking her serious.

Originally posted by Letters
Maybe in power but not in formidability.

Both power AND formidability. But keep telling yourself otherwise.

Originally posted by Letters
Bfr

😂

Originally posted by Letters
Who cares? Another bfr btw
Who gives a **** about Etrigan?
I know. But that's what happened in 211. WW showed more skills and looked more formidable in the fight part of that issue.

I know you're not the sharpest hunk of cheese in the dairy section, so I'll explain this to you. You make a big deal about Superman being knocked through a mountain. This is a good feat for Wonder Woman, but not because it's Superman. It's because she sent someone flying through a mountain. It wouldn't matter if it were Superman, Big Barda or a promethium statue, it's still all the same. I bring-up Etrigan, because he had a superior feat, but it being Superman doesn't mean shit.
And the kick she used isn't exactly outstanding technique, it's not much of a skill feat, if at all. So, basically, you're blowing it out of proportion. But considering how Superman treated her like she's nothing, wasn't serious about her, and still comes-out looking better, you need to cling to what ya can. Also, stupid of you to call what Etrigan did a BFR.

Originally posted by Letters
Good thing WW is capable of defeating a fully pissed Superman.

Incorrect. Wonder Woman is capable of getting a technical win against a pissed Superman with serious extenuating circumstances. She would've gotten her ass handed to her badly against a pissed off Superman who still had his wits about him.

Originally posted by Letters
Again. Shes trying to reason with him and he freeze breath attacks her for it. Its not like he stood there and let her wail on him. They were both standing and talking and he attacked first. According to abhillegend that is a sucker shot.

Yeah, laying on her back barely conscious and not saying anything while he's there for a few panels is totally trying to reason with him. She only tried to reason after she got up. She's lucky he didn't kill her while she was down.

Originally posted by Letters
Not for lack of trying. He freeze breath attacked her immediately.

Standing around a few panels and freeze breathing her AFTER she gets back up isn't trying while she's down. I already posted the scans.

Originally posted by Letters
Good thing WW has defeated Superman in wrath mode.

Context and why she got a technical win has already been provided.

Originally posted by Letters
WW had already disengaged. It wasn't her goal to fight him but to destroy the machine. When they were fighting in 211 she got more hits AND kicked him away from the objective.

So for all her great skill, speed and reflexes she still can't stop him from zipping in front of her and bitchslapping her across the room like a pimp does his ho.

Originally posted by Letters
She removed him from the objective and had a chance to destroy the machine but didn't. She was pretty stupid in that comic that's for sure

And he came back pretty shortly after, despite having to save Mr Orr I think it was. And she was more competent in that fight than Superman was in SACRIFICE. Or your interpretation of their fights.

Originally posted by Letters
Everyone knows hes stronger than her. She looks better when they were actually fighting, not when shes posing with a knife and not when they are talking to each other before or after a supersmack.

He's MUCH stronger than her. And no, she doesn't look better than him, unless he's weakened or an idiot due to circumstances. The fact that he looked so blatantly above her in LEAGUE OF ONE and FOR TOMORROW while nonchalant about her makes him look worse than her? 😄 :laughs:

Originally posted by Letters
Sure looks like it.
If thats true what would be the point? Why wouldnt circe just mind control him then?

Looks can be deceiving. And the spell had made physically manifest the grief and anger from OWAW.

Originally posted by Letters
Yet that is exactly what did not happen.

That's exactly what happened. Look at how Brainiac-Doomsday was toying with her.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/DOOMSDAY%20WARS/Wonder%20Woman

Yeah, even with his mentally handicapped mindset, an enraged Superman with Doomsday's powers stacked on would've murdered her.

Originally posted by Letters
I imagine anyone fighting Superman would be struggling to survive.

Anybody as below him as she is.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by Letters
Ya hes stronger than her without being combined with Doomsday. What does this have to do with anything?

Just pointing-out how even when mentally handicapped, he still physically overwhelms her. Good thing for her he wasn't combined with Doomsday or she would've died without Plot-Device.

Originally posted by Letters
And she didn't die and she won the fight.

Due to her being fortunate enough that he was mentally handicapped, and he was distracted allowing her to get the lasso and undo Circe's spell.

Originally posted by Letters
Showing her skill and resourcefulness against a blatantly more powerful opponent.

Showing how weak she is compared to him. And that she's resourceful to deal with Superman's IQ being downgraded to animalistic level.

Originally posted by Letters
Superman isn't a normal human. Crucifer realized he had Superman and didn't drain him so that he could control him. Where is it stated in the comic that Superman was weaker there?

Never said Superman's a normal human. That's why he wasn't turned into a husk. We see what Crucifer did to people, we know Crucifer did bite and start to feed on Superman. Would I be wrong to assume you can figure-out 2+2?

Originally posted by Letters
We don't know because Crucifer didn't even try. This entire tangent is irrelevant.

He didn't even try? Then why did we see him starting to feed on Superman on-panel(in the same page where he turned a human into a lifeless husk)--

--and Crucifer says "I have tasted his blood and ensnared his soul" when he was telling WW that Supes wasn't an imposter?

He did drain Superman to some degree. Just because Supes tasted horrible to him doesn't mean he didn't drain Superman. 'Cuz, ya know, we see Crucifer spitting out blood while saying Superman's an alien and tastes horrible.

Originally posted by Letters
Where is this stated?

Again, would I be wrong in assuming you can figure-out 2+2?

Originally posted by Letters
Ya Batman's ****ing badass bro. 2 vampires + Crucifer (who only survived because his heart was hidden away) + Superman can only defeat WW with sucker shits, playing possum and all of the vampires dying. Good job Superman! lol

😆 You trying to up Batman as damage control for Wonder Woman is hilarious. Aside from controlling Superman the entire fight, Crucifer doesn't do shit other than get a sword through him until after Superman TKOs Wonder Woman. And those vampires did nothing relevant. The best you could argue is they were a distraction. And Superman can certainly beat Wonder Woman without sucker shots, as he's proven in FINAL CRISIS, A LEAGUE OF ONE, FOR TOMORROW depending on your interpretation, and other examples. So, your interpretation is retarded.

Originally posted by Letters
Ya she did look even despite being sucker shot twice and also outnumbered 4 to 1. Good job Superman! lol

Damn, Wonder Woman must be even weaker than I thought if it's so amazing that she held her own against a weakened Superman handicapped by mind control, two cannon fodder vampires that were barely superhuman, a more powerful vampire that did absolutely nothing until she was already TKOed and she had a sword that easily decapitated those non-factor vampires. I guess she's maybe Thing level, if that, with worse piercing resistance.

Originally posted by Letters
Prove Superman was weakened or compromised.

On the weakened, again, am I wrong to assume you can add 2 and 2? On the compromised, he was Crucifer's puppet. Any competent comic reader will know that means handicapped. So it doesn't surprise me you need it explained.

Originally posted by Letters
2 sucker punches.

That first sucker punch is really a joke, unless you think Wonder Woman is so weak it's amazing she beat cannon fodder barely superhuman vampires with a sword. Second one isn't that much better. So your only argument is she was unprepared. First one yeah, she had every right not to expect that. Second one? Stupid on the part of an Amazon. She should've expected that one.

Originally posted by Letters
She looked better actually. Got in more hits than Superman too (not counting sucker shots).

They're not point fighting where she looks better just because she connects. She only got two attacks in that did anything. Oh wait, since you keep bringing-up "aside from his sucker punches" then she only got one attack in that did anything. Nudge temporarily overcoming, blocking, whatever Crucifer's control was stated to give her an opening, so Wonder Woman under her own mental facilities sucker punched in that fight.

All thought bubbles.

NUDGE: "Maybe--this is my chance to try to MAKE UP for the mess I've made." NUDGE: "If I can 'NUDGE' him a little bit more...make him hesitate--!" SUPERMAN: "DIANA? Wh-what am I DOING?" WONDER WOMAN: "An OPENING! That MOMENT of opportunity is all I need."

So, if you don't count sucker punching, Wonder Woman got one attack that actually did anything. She punched him and sent him back. He slammed her into the environment. She kicked him to no effect. Then decapitated some vampires. Then Nudge gave her the chance to attack, in what was a sucker punch. When it comes to sucker punches, he was the only one who actually incapacitated her. No, she didn't come off looking better. Except to a Judo "black belter."

Originally posted by Letters
Prove he was weakened.

I hope I'm not wrong in assuming you can add 2 and 2.

Originally posted by Letters
He tossed her but she was far from being koed and got back up facing him.

But the point is he treated her like she's nothing. He ragdolled her and she could only stalemate him at best despite back-up from some of the JLA.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by Letters
Question Delta: if Superman was mentally compromised in 219 how was he able to dodge the lasso?

Just in case ya miss it in my lengthy reply to you, Max was directing Superman there. Unless you think Diana's narrative dialogue was for shits and giggles instead of portraying writer's intent.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Given stories like Our Worlds At War and Hunter/Prey, if Superman didn't expect technique from Doomsday by then, he just ought of.

If you're talking throwing basic punches and stuff, then I guess he should expect technique. The most advanced he got technique-wise that I can recall was how he broke Superman's arm, which was a lot more brute strength than technique.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
mmm
You're not Mirko Crocop, are you?
If you [b]are Mirko Crocop, I want an autograph. [/B]

I'm not a south paw. So it'd be left leg, hospital, right leg, cemetery, not the other way around.

Originally posted by carver9
This thread has a 114 pages. If anyone doesn't think this fight is debatable then something is wrong.

It is "debatable" in the sense of those who don't know better or are in denial will continue to debate it. But hey, Kitty-Kat Logic.

bluewaterrider Senior Member

Originally posted by Delta1938
Just in case ya miss it in my lengthy reply to you, Max was directing Superman (when Superman avoided Diana's lasso).

Max was, arguably, directing Superman throughout the bulk of the observable portions of the fight.
Note that he "obtains visual" moments before the "millions of miles" punch Superman gives Diana to direct the two back to Earth.

Originally posted by Delta1938
(Superman versus Wonder Woman) is "debatable" in the sense of those who don't know better or are in denial will continue to debate it.

icon5

So THAT's why Delta debates this fight!
He's in denial!

That actually explains a LOT!

Thanks, Delta.

Originally posted by Delta1938

If you're talking throwing basic punches and stuff, then I guess (Superman) should expect technique (from Doomsday).
The most advanced he got technique-wise that I can recall was how he broke Superman's arm, which was a lot more brute strength than technique.

Ah, but you just told me you were in denial.
And you offered proof of it, too, telling me Captain Marvel kneeing Superman was advanced technique that Doomsday would not employ.

And, then of course, showing me a case of Doomsday intelligently pulling someone in to deliver a knee strike just like Diana and Billy.

Taken from Doomsday Wars, correct?

Circa 1998 and 1999.

Some 6 years before Sacrifice.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superman:_The_Doomsday_Wars_Vol_1

Letters Senior Member

I saw your response delta. Im saving myself for the bz starting tomorrow.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Max was, arguably, directing Superman throughout the bulk of the observable portions of the fight.
Note that he "obtains visual" moments before the "millions of miles" punch Superman gives Diana to direct the two back to Earth.

Read Diana's narration. Either that's the writer indicating what's happening, or Diana is just saying it for some reason.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
icon5
So THAT's why Delta debates this fight!
He's in denial!
That actually explains a LOT!
Thanks, Delta.
Ah, but you just told me you were in denial.
And you offered proof of it, too, telling me Captain Marvel kneeing Superman was advanced technique that Doomsday would not employ.

huhu sneer uhuh

I am going to MURDER your soul. By creepy animal stare.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
And, then of course, showing me a case of Doomsday intelligently pulling someone in to deliver a knee strike just like Diana and Billy.
Taken from Doomsday Wars, correct?
Circa 1998 and 1999.
Some 6 years before Sacrifice.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superman:_The_Doomsday_Wars_Vol_1

You're correct. What you're unaware of is that's Brainiac in control of Doomsday(Brainiac was actually IN Doomsday, as his body died and he took over Doomsday's body). So, unless you think Doomsday absorbed Brainiac's memories after Brainy was out, that doesn't really mean anything.

Originally posted by Letters
I saw your response delta. Im saving myself for the bz starting tomorrow.

That's fine. Rao can destroy you instead, and with judges you'll actually be told by others that you're owned.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Delta1938
You mean because Fangirl was also Nvr?
Just drop it Quanny. You're a weak zeta male posing as an alpha. Your attempts to spin your fear are idiotic even by your standards. I was even willing to not bring-up your obvious cowardice regardless of how hilarious your justification is.
That may be true, but grass isn't any tougher than muffins and that's what actually beat Thanos. The cops just hauled an already humiliated zeta off.

Dude, you openly admitted you wanted to set up a cage fight and hit on me. You disgust me.

WW wins the thread.

Thanos in the non canon appearance still beats muffins hurting his girly feet.

Originally posted by Delta1938
What exactly are you arguing?

You get confused a lot. Time for another kmc exit strategy you seem so fond of after you've been decimated.

bluewaterrider Senior Member

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

So you and Quan really do have some fight experience?
How much do you weigh? How much can you leg press?
What can you curl, and, what is your win/loss record?

Originally posted by Delta1938

You can PM me about this if you want.

It wouldn't do to PM you about this.
Although I'm genuinely curious, one of these, the leg press stat, I would be struggling mightily not to use in this thread.

However, to use your style for moment, I'm going to call you out for that one.

If you're a man, tell us your leg pressing stat. I'll wager you don't have the courage to give an honest answer to that here.

Prove me wrong and tell us what it is. I triple dare you.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It wouldn't do to PM you about this.
Although I'm genuinely curious, one of these, the leg press stat, I would be struggling mightily not to use in this thread.
However, to use your style for moment, I'm going to call you out [b]for that one.
If you're a man, tell us your leg pressing stat. I'll wager you don't have the courage to give an honest answer to that here.
Prove me wrong and tell us what it is. I triple dare you. [/B]

👆

He's all talk.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Quanny and his damage control. That's why.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Delta1938
Quanny and his damage control. That's why.

You backed down from me. I punked you both on here and irl.

Just ignore me since you can't handle me, boy.

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by quanchi112
You backed down from me. I punked you both on here and irl.
Just ignore me since you can't handle me, boy.

This will hopefully be the last thing I'll say to you on this. You refused my challenge and tried to spin it into I'm gay. To anybody relatively competent and knows a bit about MMA, it's obvious just how desperate you are. You punked out, just like you did to Rao.

You're not an alpha male. You're not even the alpha b!tch of the soccer mom club you hang with after mixed gender kickball games. You're submissive to superior and more dominant women there(yes, I'm saying you're a woman, because you're clearly not a true man).

You're not even good enough to be a omega male. You're a zeta male with delusions of grandeur. One day you will have to accept this. That is all.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Delta1938
This will hopefully be the last thing I'll say to you on this. You refused my challenge and tried to spin it into I'm gay. To anybody relatively competent and knows a bit about MMA, it's obvious just how desperate you are. You punked out, just like you did to Rao.
You're not an alpha male. You're not even the alpha b!tch of the soccer mom club you hang with after mixed gender kickball games. You're submissive to superior and more dominant women there(yes, I'm saying you're a woman, because you're clearly not a true man).
You're not even good enough to be a omega male. You're a zeta male with delusions of grandeur. One day you will have to accept this. That is all.

Battlezones don't work by randomly spouting stips that ignore evidence. A battlezone is when someone agrees on a matchup and then comes to an agreement over the stips. You've never done one so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

The rest is you lashing out of fear and frustration. A true man doesn't run and hide from others because they are scared. I don't run from anyone nor will I ever. You have already dishonored yourself as well as demonstrated you can't even follow through with your own words.

You can continue to look down when I enter a thread because I own you, boy.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Quan has a very well documented history when he punks out

On top onf my head

Ww vs Superman bz
Thanos vs Glads and Superman CIS off bz
Challenge offered to prove that someone owns a business
Challenge offered by philosophia
The infamous lestov challenge
Punking out to Delta

So yeah we kind of know how often quan punks out.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Quan has a very well documented history when he punks out
On top onf my head
Ww vs Superman bz
Thanos vs Glads and Superman CIS off bz
Challenge offered to prove that someone owns a business
Challenge offered by philosophia
The infamous lestov challenge
Punking out to Delta
So yeah we kind of know how often quan punks out.

Wow Quan.

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Quan has a very well documented history when he punks out
On top onf my head
Ww vs Superman bz
Thanos vs Glads and Superman CIS off bz
Challenge offered to prove that someone owns a business
Challenge offered by philosophia
The infamous lestov challenge
Punking out to Delta
So yeah we kind of know how often quan punks out.

What's a "lestov" challenge?

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What's a "lestov" challenge?