Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by -Pr-
sure you don't.

and i'm sure you don't remember the amount of times you've tried to play her reflexes off as slow compared to other heralds so that it would reflect badly on Superman.

Superman tries to tank almost everything. We've been through this before.

Lol...Do you honestly believe that? It's not about Superman...this is about Diana reflexes next to 'any' Herald. People just acknowledge it when it's about Superman. When I said it in the Gladiator and Surfer thread against her, no one had a problem with it. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing but I honestly wouldn't understand why looking at the fts she have. But whatever.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Do you honestly believe that? It's not about Superman...this is about Diana reflexes next to 'any' Herald. People just acknowledge it when it's about Superman. When I said it in the Gladiator and Surfer thread against her, no one had a problem with it. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing but I honestly wouldn't understand why looking at the fts she have. But whatever.

😂

Sure. I believe you.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Do you honestly believe that? It's not about Superman...this is about Diana reflexes next to 'any' Herald. People just acknowledge it when it's about Superman. When I said it in the Gladiator and Surfer thread against her, no one had a problem with it. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing but I honestly wouldn't understand why looking at the fts she have. But whatever.

If he tries to tank nearly everything and she tries to block or dodge nearly anything, logic dictates we'd see her block/dodge a lot more than him. Of course, this is forgivable for you, since logic isn't your thing.

And is this the type of thing you're looking for Kitty-Kat?

Originally posted by Delta1938
This the type of thing you're looking for Kitty-Kat?

Throwing them in again 'cuz I can.

Originally posted by -Pr-
😂

Sure. I believe you.

Can I start changing his name when I quote him again?

LOL. Since when is Diana "Herald level"? I'm pretty sure that almost any herald would beat her. Look, I really like Diana. In fact, besides Superman she's my favorite character but lots of people on this board are overestimating her. I must say though that it's a nice change from other boards where people tend to underrate her. Superman, Superman- level characters like Captain Marvel, and just about any herald (admittedly I don't know all of them) are simply out of her league.

Oh my RAO with this thread.

We are about to reach 100 pages just because blue thinks ww wins and carver well is carver.

Shall we take this into BZ?

Any wondy takers?

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Since when is Diana "Herald level"? I'm pretty sure that almost any herald would beat her. Look, I really like Diana. In fact, besides Superman she's my favorite character but lots of people on this board are overestimating her. I must say though that it's a nice change from other boards where people tend to underrate her. Superman, Superman- level characters like Captain Marvel, and just about any herald (admittedly I don't know all of them) are simply out of her league.

I disagree. She can hurt any herald, she can withstand any herald's physical attack without going down. She has a unique power set of speed, skill, and hax equipment that makes her peers to any herald level being. Her reflex speed, movement speed, bracers, awesome skill, and magical and telepathic resistance, gives her the best defense out of any herald. She can defend. Yes, she can defend.
She can attack well. Yes she can attack well. Her lasso is a one shot wonder. Yes, her lasso is a one shot wonder.

She can beat any herald who doesn't possess grade A speed. She would stomp any lower herald with ease (Namor, Iron Man, etc.). She would beat Captain Marvel and Black Adam as well.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Since when is Diana "Herald level"? I'm pretty sure that almost any herald would beat her. Look, I really like Diana. In fact, besides Superman she's my favorite character but lots of people on this board are overestimating her. I must say though that it's a nice change from other boards where people tend to underrate her. Superman, Superman- level characters like Captain Marvel, and just about any herald (admittedly I don't know all of them) are simply out of her league.

You don't think she's even a low herald? Really?

Some of this is getting silly. Went from Superman wins to superman casually one shots her while holding back, to wondy isn't even herald level.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Some of this is getting silly. Went from Superman wins to superman casually one shots her while holding back, to wondy isn't even herald level.

It's a trick of deception. Exaggerate your argument so greatly in order to maximize the chances of someone accepting your position. Only dumb people fall for such trickery.

This thing about the Diameter of the sun based on the possible distance of Venus makes sense.

So I think it perfectly fits the writer's interview. I have changed my mind.

They were not right next to the sun, but closer to Venus.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If he tries to tank nearly everything and she tries to block or dodge nearly anything, logic dictates we'd see her block/dodge a lot more than him. Of course, this is forgivable for you, since logic isn't your thing.

And is this the type of thing you're looking for Kitty-Kat?

Throwing them in again 'cuz I can.

Can I start changing his name when I quote him again?

Wait a minute. No one is saying Superman is slow, at all. The scan you posted is within Superman's abilities to do. What does that have to do with Diana reflexes though.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. No one is saying Superman is slow, at all. The scan you posted is within Superman's abilities to do. What does that have to do with Diana reflexes though.

I hope you are not trying to say that Wonder Woman has faster reflexes based on a SINGLE showing.

Do you have anything else besides that JLA scan? bring all the scans you have in which states Diana is has faster reflexes than Superman

or where She shows she has faster reflexes than Clark.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I hope you are not trying to say that Wonder Woman has faster reflexes based on a SINGLE showing.

Do you have anything else besides that JLA scan? bring all the scans you have in which states Diana is has faster reflexes than Superman

or where She shows she has faster reflexes than Clark.

I already brought up comparable showings.

Originally posted by carver9
I already brought up comparable showings.

What page so I can take a look at it

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. No one is saying Superman is slow, at all. The scan you posted is within Superman's abilities to do. What does that have to do with Diana reflexes though.

You brought-up Wonder Woman regularly deflecting energy blasts and Superman doesn't as some sort of proof she's faster, despite the stupidity in your actual argument, since him taking punishment is the norm because he can take it compared to her avoiding it being the norm since she can't take too much.

I posted a similar example to what you argued, and oh yeah, he had been hit with Kryptonite prior to this, so not quite at his peak.

Then we have his reaction time being used when his mind connected with Wonder Woman and Batman's. And since Diana's familiarity with magick was one of the reasons they connected, it really looks like the reason it was his reaction time is because it's faster.

And then there's all of Superman's greater than nanosecond reaction time feat and other feats.

You just don't want to admit you're wrong. The best you can argue is her training gives her better muscle memory. Too bad his raw speed is so much higher than her's, though.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
What page so I can take a look at it

The previous page but it's not needed. Diana ties Amazo up before HE could even react.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111129725/3963009-wonder+woman+ties+up+amazo+in+less+than+a+second.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. She can hurt any herald, she can withstand any herald's physical attack without going down. She has a unique power set of speed, skill, and hax equipment that makes her peers to any herald level being. Her reflex speed, movement speed, bracers, awesome skill, and magical and telepathic resistance, gives her the best defense out of any herald. She can defend. Yes, she can defend.
She can attack well. Yes she can attack well. Her lasso is a one shot wonder. Yes, her lasso is a one shot wonder.

She can beat any herald who doesn't possess grade A speed. She would stomp any lower herald with ease (Namor, Iron Man, etc.). She would beat Captain Marvel and Black Adam as well.

Since it seems everyone is agreeing with you that she is indeed herald-level I will concede that. I've never thought of her as one but I'm not going to argue with everyone about it. As I said in an earlier post, I haven't read any comics that've came out in last few years so maybe she's gotten an upgrade or something.

However, I don't see how she could possibly beat either CM or BA. I don't why you'd think that unless WW has gotten an upgrade while both CA and CM haven't. The only fight between them that I've seen is the one from "War of the Gods" many years ago. Most people use it as a feat for WW saying that she "stalemated" him. I guess, technically speaking, she did but they only fought for a few panels before the fight was interrupted or something. Also, iirc, he was mind-controlled and we all know how that is a disadvantage to said person.

I saw nothing in that brief fight that would make me believe she could beat him in an extended fight. Both CM and BA have Superman-level stats in every category or at least they did last time I was reading comics. Maybe neither one of them has been upgraded while Superman has? WW is clearly below Superman-level. Actually, I'd bet Maxima is probably closer to Superman-level than WW is.

I scanned-over some of the posts in the Captain Marvel vs WW thread and read some poster's comments about them fighting in "Virtue and Vice" and that she was able to lasso a mind-controlled CM. While that's impressive, I think we can all agree that being under the influence of MC slows said character down. When Batman was nearly killed by a MC Superman on Apokolips a while back he thought to himself after dodging Clark's first attack, "He slow. Desaad's control has dulled him". So, there is a precedent for MC characters being slower than usual. I seriously doubt Diana could get the lasso around a CM who is in his right mind just as she couldn't do it to Clark, either... and BA? He naturally doesn't hold back nearly as much as CA or Superman does. He'd cream her bad.

How about this beauty? Diana blocking light from all directions.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/3962992-wonderwomanblockslightfromalldirections_zpsc42a6df0.jpg.html

Hell, she was so fast that even while blind she was able to deflect bullets from all angles.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/1300737-wonder_woman_v2__215___page_2_zpsa9732ab8.jpg.html

Diana reflexes are the best. I can go on and on and on with scans proving this but it's a waste. Like I've stated before, she has blocked heat vision with ease, and dodged it, something that I can't see too many Heralds doing (outside of Flash) including Superman.

You must be Joking right?

Do you actually know that Superman operated for 7 years with out being seeing or that He single handed defeated a Chinese punishing expedition with out being seeing

BTW First scan is error, I have seen it though

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You must be Joking right?

Do you actually know that Superman operated for 7 years with out being seeing or that He single handed defeated a Chinese punishing expedition

BTW First scan is error, I have seen it though

Seen by who? What reflex movements was he doing during the time he wasn't seen because that's exactly what I am talking about here.