Originally posted by Alfheim
......you know whats next right? 😂Prove it. 😐
Lol you comeback to KMC and nothings changed. 😂
Didn't feel the need for change. I mean, why fix something that ain't broken? 😉
Proving it without a shadow of a doubt will be a challenge, simply because I don't believe the two have ever had a real, conclusive fight before. And, obviously, Beast has a fraction of the showings that Captain America does.
However. We do know that all this is true--> Beast is:
-Faster, superhuman-level
-More agile superhuman-level
-Superior, superhuman reflexes
-Superior, superhuman strength
-Superhuman flexibility, dexterity, coordination, senses, balance, and endurance
-Genius-level intelligence
-Razor-sharp claws
-An accelerated, superhuman healing factor
-And even a feral side that may prove useful
-Brilliant strategist (not above Cap, but still very useful)
-Highly-skilled, excellent hand-to-hand combatant, both from training from Captain America himself and DECADES of combat training he's received from being an X-Man, employing a unique style of acrobatic combat. While not better than Cap, Beast is obviously no slouch in the martial arts department.
Beast can obviously throw down and throw down extremely well when he has to.
All of these he has over Cap save for the last two. Not to mention that he knows Cap very well, and vice versa obviously.
I've given some of my reasons. Now, give me yours.
Originally posted by nimbus006
I dont think that Cap wins as easily as most are agreeing too however, i still dont believe Beast can take a majority.Cap 8/10
I mean he does handle much heavier hitters than Beast.
That's just it. I don't disagree with you there. He has handled much heavier hitters in the past, albeit many times with a steaming plate of CIS thrown in the mix. However, has he handled anyone that can do everything that Beast can? And, you know, when Beast isn't jobbing/messing around/being written poorly?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's just it. I don't disagree with you there. He has handled much heavier hitters in the past, albeit many times with a steaming plate of CIS thrown in the mix. However, has he handled anyone that can do everything that Beast can? And, you know, when Beast isn't jobbing/messing around/being written poorly?
I know that Beast is physically and mentally superior, bar Captain America's martial arts skills. What I'm mainly worried about his Cap's aim when he throws the Shield and his ability to block almost anything. Is Beast fast enough to catch or dodge the shield?
Infinity Crusade? The only thing that Beast is superior to Cap in is his strength and stamina, durability. The fight wont last long enough for stamina to matter. Hes not too durable for Cap to hurt. Hes agility is almost the same as Caps but because Cap is much more skilled Cap is going to be punching him in the face all day. He knows Cap but hasnt studied Caps style. Beast probably wont even though him and even if he does Cap has supêrhuman durability and chainmail. Cap ahs withstood auotmatic gunfire at close range and laughed.
Originally posted by llagrok
What I'm mainly worried about his Cap's aim when he throws the Shield and his ability to block almost anything. Is Beast fast enough to catch the shield?
Hes done it before, but if Cap can pawn an upgraded Spiderman hes kicking Beats head in.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Didn't feel the need for change. I mean, why fix something that ain't broken? 😉Proving it without a shadow of a doubt will be a challenge, simply because I don't believe the two have ever had a real, conclusive fight before. And, obviously, Beast has a fraction of the showings that Captain America does.
However. We do know that all this is true--> Beast is:
-Faster, superhuman-level
-More agile superhuman-level
-Superior, superhuman reflexes
-Superior, superhuman strength
-Superhuman flexibility, dexterity, coordination, senses, balance, and endurance
-Genius-level intelligence
-Razor-sharp claws
-An accelerated, superhuman healing factor
-And even a feral side that may prove useful
-Brilliant strategist (not above Cap, but still very useful)
-Highly-skilled, excellent hand-to-hand combatant, both from training from Captain America himself and DECADES of combat training he's received from being an X-Man, employing a unique style of acrobatic combat. While not better than Cap, Beast is obviously no slouch in the martial arts department.Beast can obviously throw down and throw down extremely well when he has to.
All of these he has over Cap save for the last two. Not to mention that he knows Cap very well, and vice versa obviously.
I've given some of my reasons. Now, give me yours.
Very good points... but its still Cap, and they're really aren't any good points you can make except giving examples of other opponents (with better stats than himself) he's faced where he's found a way to either hang with or defeat... such as Spiderman, Namor, Wolverine, Ironman, etc...
Originally posted by llagrok
I know that Beast is physically and mentally superior, bar Captain America's martial arts skills. What I'm mainly worried about his Cap's aim when he throws the Shield and his ability to block almost anything. Is Beast fast enough to catch or dodge the shield?
Yes. Beast is easily fast enough to catch Cap's shield. In fact, I believe he's done it before. And it would be even easier for him to dodge it.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Infinity Crusade? The only thing that Beast is superior to Cap in is his strength and stamina, durability. The fight wont last long enough for stamina to matter. Hes not too durable for Cap to hurt. Hes agility is almost the same as Caps but because Cap is much more skilled Cap is going to be punching him in the face all day. He knows Cap but hasnt studied Caps style. Beast probably wont even though him and even if he does Cap has supêrhuman durability and chainmail. Cap ahs withstood auotmatic gunfire at close range and laughed.Hes done it before, but if Cap can pawn an upgraded Spiderman hes kicking Beats head in.
Beast also has superior speed, reflexes, dexterity, balance, flexibility, coordination, healing factor, etc.
While Beast has not studied Cap's fighting style, he's still been an Avenger with him for a great deal of time. Don't write him off as stupid/ignorant. I think he'll have some idea of what to expect. On the other hand, Beast utilizes a unique fighting style based on his abilities, something that Cap could not anticipate very well in a fight since he cannot replicate the same moves himself, therefore not knowing too well how to counter it.
Officailly, Cap does not have superhuman durability. He has peak human durability. If anything, though, according to his numerous showings that have him doing the impossible, he has very low-level superhuman durability, which I'll concede to. But mostly, he merely has an indomitable will that keeps him going. That doesn't mean it's not a useful tool, however.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Very good points... but its still Cap, and they're really aren't any good points you can make except giving examples of other opponents (with better stats than himself) he's faced where he's found a way to either hang with or defeat... such as Spiderman, Namor, Wolverine, Ironman, etc...
You're not going to give me the "It's Cap. He'll find a way" excuse, are you? The man is not undefeatable. Don't get me wrong, I love Cap. I think he's an awesome character who can kick most opponnents' asses.
But really. If some of his opponents were ACTUALLY fighting him to the fullest of thier abilities, do you still think Cap would win? Iron Man can't defeat Cap? Spider-Man can't defeat Cap? Namor?! Didn't Iron Fist punk him bad?
The thing is, Cap's usual set of enemies don't include people who have all the superhuman abilities, skills, experience, and know-how of Hank McCoy all wrapped into one.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh yeah like who? 😐
doh
IRON MAN, of all people
Spider-Man
Namor
Etc.
I'm sure there are many, many more than I forgetting (I've got a horrible memory most of the time).
Originally posted by MetalmanxYou're not going to give me the "It's Cap. He'll find a way" excuse, are you? The man is not undefeatable. Don't get me wrong, I love Cap. I think he's an awesome character who can kick most opponnents' asses.
But really. If some of his opponents were ACTUALLY fighting him to the fullest of thier abilities, do you still think Cap would win? Iron Man can't defeat Cap? Spider-Man can't defeat Cap? Namor?! Didn't Iron Fist punk him bad?
The thing is, Cap's usual set of enemies don't include people who have all the superhuman abilities, skills, experience, and know-how of Hank McCoy all wrapped into one.
No im not going to say that, but i will say that his skill level coupled with his will usually allow him to stay with characters that are FAR beyond him in most statistical areas.
Originally posted by nimbus006
No im not going to say that, but i will say that his skill level coupled with his will usually allow him to stay with characters that are FAR beyond him in most statistical areas.
And I agree with you, to an extent. An strong will can only get you so far when you're fighting against opponents who should be able to easily subdue you, however.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yes. Beast is easily fast enough to catch Cap's shield. In fact, I believe he's done it before. And it would be even easier for him to dodge it.
Yeah hes done it before doesnt mean he will do it again. Furthermoer he doesnt even have to throw it at him, he can use it to get him in any postion he wants like an upgraded Spidermn.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Beast also has superior speed, reflexes, dexterity, balance, flexibility,coordination, healing factor, etc.
The only supêriotty that Beast has is flexibiltiy and HF. The other attributes are marginal and therefore its debatable wether he is superior to Cap in that aspect.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
While Beast has not studied Cap's fighting style, he's still been an Avenger with him for a great deal of time. Don't write him off as stupid/ignorant. I think he'll have some idea of what to expect.
Im not treating him like hes stupid you are blowning things out of proportion. Fighting alongside Cap isnt going to be enough for Beast to stop him. Its not like what Iron Man did where he literailly downloaded all of Caps moves and even then IM didnt do it on the fly he had to actually create a database. Cap is good enough to alter his style.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
On the other hand, Beast utilizes a unique fighting style based on his abilities, something that Cap could not anticipate very well in a fight since he cannot replicate the same moves himself, therefore not knowing too well how to counter it.
This absolute rubbish. First of all Beast has two arms and legs its not like he has tentacles, Beast is more flexible than Cap but you really think just because he is more flexible Cap cant anticipate it? Hell didnt he deafeat Man-Ape a guy withe superhuman states and a fighting style based on a Gorilla🤨
Cap mastered an alien martial art in one day and defeated a computer that had memorised every single martial on earth but Cap cant antcipate Beats fighting style? Oh yeah Infinity Crusade.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Officailly, Cap does not have superhuman durability. He has peak human durability. If anything, though, according to his numerous showings that have him doing the impossible, he has very low-level superhuman durability, which I'll concede to. But mostly, he merely has an indomitable will that keeps him going. That doesn't mean it's not a useful tool, however.
If you regard very low-level superhuman durabiltiy is getting shot in the head and waking up in hospital hours afterwards and getting beaten up by RS with superhuman strength and having a house collapse on him, then yeah thats very low-level. Quite frankly hes not even that far behind Spidermans durability. I would say low-level but not very low-level, basically if you looka at Caps showings even without kevlar he is bullet resistant, thats not very low-level.
You also cant put everything down to his willpower. Cap can run at 60mph he doesnt do that because of his will but because he enhanced.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
dohIRON MAN, of all people
What about him. Cap has beaten older versions of IM I think, but not the current one....and?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man
What part of he studied Spiderman fighting ability and has foguht Spiderman enemies who were not holding back dont you understand?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Namor
When has Cap beaten Namor?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm sure there are many, many more than I forgetting (I've got a horrible memory most of the time).
Basically your just telling us what you think should happen despite the fact decades of comic books contradict what you think. Cap completely pawned Beast in IC but you still think he wins.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The thing is, Cap's usual set of enemies don't include people who have all the superhuman abilities, skills, experience, and know-how of Hank McCoy all wrapped into one.
Your not making an effort are you? I dont even think im going to respond to that, why dont you actually think about what you just said....what the hell Man-Ape?
