Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and they said at least 30 tons! 😱 I think their justification is that he can bend barbells. Cap has bent jail bars and he wasnt really trying.
In the Worlds strongest man competition there's an event in which they have to bend a barbell (or some sort of bar) over their head. lol
Originally posted by nimbus006
In the Worlds strongest man competition there's an event in which they have to bend a barbell (or some sort of bar) over their head. lol
😂 It will be the first time bios have exaggerated a persons strength level, usually its the over way round.
I watch that havenet seen that event. 😐 (not saying your a liar just havent seen it)
Originally posted by Alfheim
😂 It will be the first time bios have exaggerated a persons strength level, usually its the over way round.I watch that havenet seen that event. 😐 (not saying your a liar just havent seen it)
They might of taken it out b/c alot of the guys were hurting themselves in that particluar event. Look it up though it was pretty funny. Im pretty sure they change the events from time to time as well.
Originally posted by Metalmanxbefore i go any further into reading on this thread i would like to correct you on one statement. I have highlighted the part in question. I will have to disagree with you there. While beast is indeed more agile than cap i do not think cap will have a problem with beast's fighting style. Beast fights very much like spider-man infact the two almost parallel each other in that regard, both are very unorthodox fighting styles which comfuse all but the best fighters. Cap has continuously shown that he is able keep up with and adapt to their style of fighting, as evident in cap's last fight with spider-man he was even able to predict his movements and manipulate him to a position that was favorable to him.
Yes. Beast is easily fast enough to catch Cap's shield. In fact, I believe he's done it before. And it would be even easier for him to dodge it.Beast also has superior speed, reflexes, dexterity, balance, flexibility, coordination, healing factor, etc.
While Beast has not studied Cap's fighting style, he's still been an Avenger with him for a great deal of time. Don't write him off as stupid/ignorant. I think he'll have some idea of what to expect. On the other hand, Beast utilizes a unique fighting style based on his abilities, something that Cap could not anticipate very well in a fight since he cannot replicate the same moves himself, therefore not knowing too well how to counter it.
Officailly, Cap does not have superhuman durability. He has peak human durability. If anything, though, according to his numerous showings that have him doing the impossible, he has very low-level superhuman durability, which I'll concede to. But mostly, he merely has an indomitable will that keeps him going. That doesn't mean it's not a useful tool, however.You're not going to give me the "It's Cap. He'll find a way" excuse, are you? The man is not undefeatable. Don't get me wrong, I love Cap. I think he's an awesome character who can kick most opponnents' asses.
But really. If some of his opponents were ACTUALLY fighting him to the fullest of thier abilities, do you still think Cap would win? Iron Man can't defeat Cap? Spider-Man can't defeat Cap? Namor?! Didn't Iron Fist punk him bad?
The thing is, Cap's usual set of enemies don't include people who have all the superhuman abilities, skills, experience, and know-how of Hank McCoy all wrapped into one.
doh
IRON MAN, of all people
Spider-Man
Namor
Etc.I'm sure there are many, many more than I forgetting (I've got a horrible memory most of the time).
Originally posted by nimbus006
Yes he did, but it was b/c IM had been studying every move Cap had ever used in a fight. He also had that knowledge available to him through a database while he was fighting Cap. Still, Cap took that beating and was ready to keep going.Note: Beast is nowhere near Ironman in strength or speed.
No, Cap was dying actually.
I like to think Beast wins more times than not. Cap SSS gives him peak human stats wheras Beast is superhuman. Cap can get a few wins due to his Shield and superior fighting skills. But Beast is no pushover, he's a veteran with the X-Men and is alot more intelligent.
Btw this has been done a few times.
Speed is only a factor when one can't respond to it.
Since Cap can respond the beast's speed then it is to no advantage to beast. Now skill here will win for Cap.
This is because an attempted strike from Beast will instantly result in a counter strike with the shield from Cap. At full strength a shield strike has took out beings much stronger and more durable than Beast. And I've even seen the shield slice through metal like butter before.
They ovverate Cap in the comics really. But who isn't. I agree with hugekent.
Btw try using the search engine. 😬
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=365799&highlight=title%3A%28Captain+America+vs+Beast%29+forumid%3A77
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=316190&highlight=title%3A%28Captain+America+vs+Beast%29+forumid%3A77
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=6537832&highlight=title%3A%28Captain+America+vs+Beast%29+forumid%3A77#post6537832
Originally posted by h1a8
Speed is only a factor when one can't respond to it.
Since Cap can respond the beast's speed then it is to no advantage to beast. Now skill here will win for Cap.
This is because an attempted strike from Beast will instantly result in a counter strike with the shield from Cap. At full strength a shield strike has took out beings much stronger and more durable than Beast. And I've even seen the shield slice through metal like butter before.
Beast isn't just faster; he's a lot more agile, has better reflexes, is more durable, has a longer reach, has razor sharp claws and teeth, and is at least 15 times as strong as Cap. And he can easily dodge or catch the shield (he's caught it twice before).
Originally posted by Batroc
Beast isn't just faster; he's a lot more agile, has better reflexes, is more durable, has a longer reach, has razor sharp claws and teeth, and is at least 15 times as strong as Cap. And he can easily dodge or catch the shield (he's caught it twice before).
I doubt that he's more agile. There's a scan here that shows they have exactly the same agility. I doubt he has better reflexes too. Cap's reflexes are as good as the best of the street levelers are. And whoever actually has the better reflexes is not important anyway because neither of these combatants can move faster than the other can perceive and respond to. So countering becomes of utmost importance (reflexes can't save you here). And by Cap being a martial arts master who has mastered the counter attack, who's to say that he doesn't counter one of Beast's strikes with a shield to the skull?
Originally posted by h1a8
I doubt that he's more agile. There's a scan here that shows they have exactly the same agility. I doubt he has better reflexes too. Cap's reflexes are as good as the best of the street levelers are. And whoever actually has the better reflexes is not important anyway because neither of these combatants can move faster than the other can perceive and respond to. So countering becomes of utmost importance (reflexes can't save you here). And by Cap being a martial arts master who has mastered the counter attack, who's to say that he doesn't counter one of Beast's strikes with a shield to the skull?
There's a good way to compare Cap and Beasts agility, and that's to see how their creator Jack Kirby portrayed the characters in action. Kirby shows Beast doing incredible, Spidey level agility feats, but he only shows Cap doing the type of acrobatics you'd expect to see from Daredevil or Black Panther. Beast is significantly more agile than Cap, maybe as agile as Spiderman.
If the scan you are refering to is the one of Cap and Beast training together at Avengers Mansion, then that panel simply showed they had a training session together. They weren't competing with each other, and there's nothing there to show either was more, less or equally agile.