Capt. America vs. Beast

Originally posted by Batroc
There's a good way to compare Cap and Beasts agility, and that's to see how their creator Jack Kirby portrayed the characters in action. Kirby shows Beast doing incredible, Spidey level agility feats, but he only shows Cap doing the type of acrobatics you'd expect to see from Daredevil or Black Panther. Beast is significantly more agile than Cap, maybe as agile as Spiderman.

If the scan you are refering to is the one of Cap and Beast training together at Avengers Mansion, then that panel simply showed they had a training session together. They weren't competing with each other, and there's nothing there to show either was more, less or equally agile.

You're right-in terms of pure agility Beast, like Spiderman, is Cap's superior-like Spiderman he is less refined than Cap

Originally posted by BUSTER1
You're right-in terms of pure agility Beast, like Spiderman, is Cap's superior-like Spiderman he is less refined than Cap

Originally posted by Batroc
There's a good way to compare Cap and Beasts agility, and that's to see how their creator Jack Kirby portrayed the characters in action. Kirby shows Beast doing incredible, Spidey level agility feats, but he only shows Cap doing the type of acrobatics you'd expect to see from Daredevil or Black Panther. Beast is significantly more agile than Cap, maybe as agile as Spiderman.

If the scan you are refering to is the one of Cap and Beast training together at Avengers Mansion, then that panel simply showed they had a training session together. They weren't competing with each other, and there's nothing there to show either was more, less or equally agile.

Well theres the fact that Beast said that Cap was alamost as agile as him, almost is marginal. Also during a training session Beast was not fast enough to stop Cap from falling. (Beast thought Cap was in toruble but he wasnt).

Gotta bump this thread for the sheer hell of it.

Cap pretty much curb stomped Beast.

Daredevil defeated Beast.

Black Panther defeated Beast.

Beast just doesn't bode well against the elite in fighting.

Is that why he held his own against Wolverine? Why he held his own and had the slight advantage for most his fight with Sabretooth?

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
Is that why he held his own against Wolverine?

Read the fight again Wolverine wasnt fighting him at full ability he was trying get Beast riled up because Beast was thinking of getting rid of his mutant gene.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Why he held his own and had the slight advantage for most his fight with Sabretooth?

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How many times has he done stuff like that? Thats just a one-off. Hell hes been beaten by 3 street levelers none of them could beat Sabretooth.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Is that why he held his own against Wolverine? Why he held his own and had the slight advantage for most his fight with Sabretooth?

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They've all held there own against Wolverine.

Daredevil held his own against Wolverine.

In the "end" both Logan/Sabretooth would also defeat Beast so thats a moot point.

Unless your trying to imply Beast beats Logan. Which is not happening either.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
They've all held there own against Wolverine.

Daredevil held his own against Wolverine.

In the "end" both Logan/Sabretooth would also defeat Beast so thats a moot point.

Unless your trying to imply Beast beats Logan. Which is not happening either.

Well, obviously. Superior healing factors go a LOOOONG way towards victory for Logan and Victor.

Beast doesn't have the feats to warrent a sensible argument in his favour

he IS stronger/more durable and has greater agility, he ISNT better fighter but what this argument will come down to is feats - Cap has more

imo Beast could get a couple'a'wins in his greater agility might (just might) catch Cap off guard.

Its not a stomp by any means though, and to all the numbskulls that are gonna state Caps (CISsy) throw downs against class 100's. then meh! may your ignorance be truly blissfull.

Cap - 8/10 because i cant prove/scan otherwise

-2 cents-

Originally posted by Juk3n
Beast doesn't have the feats to warrent a sensible argument in his favour

he IS stronger/more durable and has greater agility, he ISNT better fighter but what this argument will come down to is feats - Cap has more

imo Beast could get a couple'a'wins in his greater agility might (just might) catch Cap off guard.

Its not a stomp by any means though, and to all the numbskulls that are gonna state Caps (CISsy) throw downs against class 100's. then meh! may your ignorance be truly blissfull.

Cap - 8/10 because i cant prove/scan otherwise

-2 cents-

Ah...it's been awhile since I've met another rational debator. Good to have you along, Juk.

However, I do disagree with you on some things.

Along with the superior strength, agility, and durability, Beast also has Cap in the speed department, dexterity, balance, coordination, endurance, senses, and equilibrium, too. And arguably reflexes. And let's not forget his razor-sharp claws and teeth. They could become quite useful in this fight.

Oh yea. And then there's the healing factor.

Yes, Cap is the far superior martial artist. No one's denying that. But Beast is no slouch, not by a long shot. He's an excellent hand-to-hand combatant, using a unique fighting style that utilizes his speed, quickness, reflexes, and agility (all things in which he is superior to Cap). He has trained for almost his entire life with the X-Men and has received coaching from Captain America himself. Just something to keep in mind, Beast isn't going to be a push-over in the hand-to-hand department.

But yes, you are correct when you say that Cap has more feats. That's just the unfortunate way these things sometimes work in comics. It's all about the feats and who has more of them and who's are better. That happens a lot in the Colossus vs. Thing thread, since Thing has ridiculously more showings than Colossus. But Colossus would, too, if he was one of a four-member superhero team that has hardly ever changed it's roster. 😬

How will skill help when Cap is inferior in the speed, agility and reflex department?

Originally posted by llagrok
How will skill help when Cap is inferior in the speed, agility and reflex department?

Because the difference in speed is marginal.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, obviously. Superior healing factors go a LOOOONG way towards victory for Logan and Victor.

And obviously Beast doing well against Logan speaks nothing for his fights against Daredevil, Cap, and Blackpanther.

Since Beast looks to fail against the likes of them.

Originally posted by llagrok
How will skill help when Cap is inferior in the speed, agility and reflex department?

This shows you know nothing on Cap's skill and his feats in speed, agility, and reflex.

In one of Cap's fights with Beast were Cap was "holding back" as shown in that fight. Beast did his standard leap at you type attack as Cap was already away from that.

As Beast then said "Where'd he go" or something to that extent. As even Beast himself was awwed at Cap's speed.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
This shows you know nothing on Cap's skill and his feats in speed, agility, and reflex.

In one of Cap's fights with Beast were Cap was "holding back" as shown in that fight. Beast did his standard leap at you type attack as Cap was already away from that.

As Beast then said "Where'd he go" or something to that extent. As even Beast himself was awwed at Cap's speed.

Just shows you know nothing about Beast's history :/

Since his Avengers days, Beast has received a substantial upgrade in speed, agility and reflexes. Not to mention the offensive department. Cap, for all his skills, is a mere peak human in every category.

Originally posted by llagrok

Since his Avengers days, Beast has received a substantial upgrade in speed, agility and reflexes.

Can your prove that?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Can your prove that?

His mutation 😐

Originally posted by llagrok
His mutation 😐

LOL yeah he got bigger so im assuming hes stronger that dont mean hes faster though.

Wow talk about speculation. 🙄

Originally posted by llagrok
Just shows you know nothing about Beast's history :/

Since his Avengers days, Beast has received a substantial upgrade in speed, agility and reflexes. Not to mention the offensive department. Cap, for all his skills, is a mere peak human in every category.

And yet that peak-human with skills defeats Beast.