Capt. America vs. Beast

Originally posted by Juk3n
I can see your point, and you make a good good thorough point.
It's just in this case, the difference is about 20x the pressing strength -
if this is Current beast, How much STRONGER does someone have to be to stand a chance against Caps Skill? non-jobbing He would be One shotted by class 100's 2 shotted by class 50's..and so on(not really 1 shotted but u see wht i mean) This is peak human Martial artist vs Class 20 Wild animal...WITH Training FROM the Martial artist and other sources, WITH genius level Interlect. Close if u ask me.

There isn't a single on panel example that would suggest that Beast is anything more then class 2 in strength. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Claiming that he is class 20 is just a wild claim with no basis what-so-ever.

In fact... using on panel examples of strength I'm sure a more compelling arguement could be made for Captain America being stronger the Beast then vice versa.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There isn't a single on panel example that would suggest that Beast is anything more then class 2 in strength. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Claiming that he is class 20 is just a wild claim with no basis what-so-ever.

In fact... using on panel examples of strength I'm sure a more compelling arguement could be made for Captain America being stronger the Beast then vice versa.

Cap > Beast in Strength?

YOU put Peak Human ABOVE SUPERHUMAN? - look u also make another good point about nothing on paper (yet) about Beasts new Form, but saying Cap > beast in strength JUST because of some poor writing (in some cases) is actually insane, (im not insulting you).

For example .. Everyone remember Bats going toe to toe with Supes for 30 mins while Supes was Hallucinating? Lets give Supes a number - just for this example, lets put him at the 100,000 tonne range, now Bats stood toe to toe with Him for half an hour..does that mean he's even 1/1000 of Supes str and durability? No.

Anyway, like i said in a previous post we're all going by feats so in that respect, Hank has no chance.

For all the fanboys out there .OMG CAP WTFPWNS HIM IN 10.14 SECONDS, TOTALZ FROG STOMPED! 100/10 (im not calling you a fan boy)

-no more money-

According to Beasts latest handbook entry he can lift 10 tons.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
According to Beasts latest handbook entry he can lift 10 tons.

You sir, Win this thread - now pls scan and, we can remove all fan boy posts by default.

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Originally posted by Juk3n
Cap > Beast in Strength?

YOU put Peak Human ABOVE SUPERHUMAN? - look u also make another good point about nothing on paper (yet) about Beasts new Form, but saying Cap > beast in strength JUST because of some poor writing (in some cases) is actually insane, (im not insulting you).

For example .. Everyone remember Bats going toe to toe with Supes for 30 mins while Supes was Hallucinating? Lets give Supes a number - just for this example, lets put him at the 100,000 tonne range, now Bats stood toe to toe with Him for half an hour..does that mean he's even 1/1000 of Supes str and durability? No.

Anyway, like i said in a previous post we're all going by feats so in that respect, Hank has no chance.

For all the fanboys out there .OMG CAP WTFPWNS HIM IN 10.14 SECONDS, TOTALZ FROG STOMPED! 100/10 (im not calling you a fan boy)

-no more money-

Captain America is low level superhuman in strength - He has been described numerous times on panel as superhuman AND (unlike Beast) has strength feats that back those statements.

Aside from random handbook entries, I certainly think the argument for Captain America being stronger than Beast, is stronger then anything suggesting the opposite. There has to be some on panel evidence to substantiate the claims that hand books make; in this case there isn't any and I'm not comfortable give Beast the benifit of the doubt.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Captain America is low level superhuman in strength - He has been described numerous times on panel as superhuman AND (unlike Beast) has strength feats that back those statements.

Aside from random handbook entries, I certainly think the argument for Captain America being stronger than Beast, is stronger then anything suggesting the opposite. There has to be some on panel evidence to substantiate the claims that hand books make; in this case there isn't any and I'm not comfortable give Beast the benifit of the doubt.

Originally posted by Juk3n
You sir, Win this thread - now pls scan and, we can remove all fan boy posts by default.

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Originally posted by Juk3n
You sir, Win this thread - now pls scan and, we can remove all fan boy posts by default.

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If I got a news letter published that says that I am baseball hat, would you ignore the documented evidence that proves that I am, in fact, not a baseball hat and just assume I really was a baseball hat?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Sorry dude. But that goes against everything the character stands for. Cap. is suppose to be peak human.

Says who? A hand book... a hand book published years after Captain America's first appearance? There are more instances of Captain America being called superhuman on panel then there are of him being called "peak human."

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Sorry dude. But that goes against everything the character stands for. Cap. is suppose to be peak human.

You said it "Supposed to be peak human", but if we go by on panel and most importantly canon feats, Cap clearly isn't just peak human.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Says who? A hand book... a hand book published years after Captain America's first appearance? There are more instances of Captain America being called superhuman on panel then there are of him being called "peak human."

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
You said it "Supposed to be peak human", but if we go by on panel and most importantly canon feats, Cap clearly isn't just peak human.

Handbooks are secondary canon (that is being generous) and are intended as companion pieces for collectors, not as works that over ride the primary canon. Nuff' Said?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
His latest handbook entry from April of 2008 says he's peak human and can lift 800lbs. Beasts handbook entry from February 2008 says he can lift 10 tons. Hanbooks are 'official and your and my opinion on this matter is not.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
So is Cap a superhuman in your view also?

I wouldn't put him at super human but he is definitely above peak human. Peak humans don't bust out iron chains and jump from five story buildings without getting hurt. You just can't ignore feats like that just because of where the character started.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
I wouldn't put him at super human but he is definitely above peak human. Peak humans don't bust out iron chains and jump from five story buildings without getting hurt. You just can't ignore feats like that just because of where the character started.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Alot of things that happen in comics don't happen in the real world.

No Sh#t, Dick Tracey! That point is so moot and irrelevant to the topic it's not even funny.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
No Sh#t, Dick Tracey! That point is so moot and irrelevant to the topic it's not even funny.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Says who? A hand book... a hand book published years after Captain America's first appearance? There are more instances of Captain America being called superhuman on panel then there are of him being called "peak human."

Marvel assumes you are reading the comic books, they want you to read the Handbooks BUT they aren't going to publish something in their that you need to read to understand what is happening in the actual comic books. If you can't read an issue of x-men and come to the conclusion that Beast has class 10 strength without having been previously influence then what was written in a hand book... then the hand book isn't accurate.