Capt. America vs. Beast

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL yeah he got bigger so im assuming hes stronger that dont mean hes faster though.

Wow talk about speculation. 🙄

No, Phantom. He is right. It's stated pretty much everywhere now. With his recent (as of a couple years ago) further mutation, he is now even stronger, even faster, even more agile, has even better balance, more enhanced senses than before, razor sharp claws and fangs, an even better healing factor, improved stamina/endurance, coordination, equilibrium, and now he's gained a more improved, deadlier feral mode.

He's not making it up. It's pretty well documented. 😬

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, Phantom. He is right. It's stated pretty much everywhere now. With his recent (as of a couple years ago) further mutation, he is now even stronger, even faster, even more agile, has even better balance, more enhanced senses than before, razor sharp claws and fangs, an even better healing factor, improved stamina/endurance, coordination, equilibrium, and now he's gained a more improved, deadlier feral mode.

He's not making it up. It's pretty well documented. 😬

Then site a source because you might just be referring to Dark Beast and thats not the one being presented in this thread. If its so well documented it should be rather easy to give a title/number.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, Phantom. He is right. It's stated pretty much everywhere now. With his recent (as of a couple years ago) further mutation, he is now even stronger, even faster, even more agile, has even better balance, more enhanced senses than before, razor sharp claws and fangs, an even better healing factor, improved stamina/endurance, coordination, equilibrium, and now he's gained a more improved, deadlier feral mode.

He's not making it up. It's pretty well documented. 😬

Is this on panel or marvel universe? If its marvel universe or a bio im going to take it with a pinch of salt.

I wish I could, but I don't believe any one issue has gone ahead and just stated all of this stuff on-panel. It's just been seen throughout the recent comics. I think there was some mention of it in an earlier book, if I recall. Probably close to the time when the secondary mutation occurred. I believe it's in the handbooks, too.

And no, I'm not referring to Dark Beast. I'm well aware as to who he is.

And I apologize for saying that it's "pretty well documented". I can see where that would lead to confusion. What I meant to say was that it's been shown several times throughout the recent comics that all of Beast's abilities/attributes have been upgraded, as well as some handbooks. My fault for the wrong choice of words.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I wish I could, but I don't believe any one issue has gone ahead and just stated all of this stuff on-panel. It's just been seen throughout the recent comics. I think there was some mention of it in an earlier book, if I recall. Probably close to the time when the secondary mutation occurred. I believe it's in the handbooks, too.

And no, I'm not referring to Dark Beast. I'm well aware as to who he is.

Ok I really really hope that its just not you assuming that Beast is faster. Well since you cant provide anything Beast still loses.

Anything from the handbooks will be treated with a pinch of salt.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok I really really hope that its just not you assuming that Beast is faster. Well since you cant provide anything Beast still loses.

Anything from the handbooks will be treated with a pinch of salt.

...Wait. Because I can't provide any particular scan, Beast loses? 🤨

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Wait. Because I can't provide any particular scan, Beast loses? 🤨

Well you havent given us any reasons so far why he should win. You dont have any proof that hes fatser so he still loses just like before.

Haha, fanboyism.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well you havent given us any reasons so far why he should win. You dont have any proof that hes fatser so he still loses just like before.

And when was he already losing? This whole "you lose because I think your wrong and I'm right" thing is really getting old. 😬

Read X-Men comics from his secondary mutation and on. Sorry I can't provide a particular issue number, but it's there.

Also, bringing in secondary Beast is not even necessary. Pre-secondary Beast could still win this.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And when was he already losing? This whole "you lose because I think your wrong and I'm right" thing is really getting old. 😬

What the great big massive post where I explained in detail why he loses.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Read X-Men comics from his secondary mutation and on. Sorry I can't provide a particular issue number, but it's there.

Also, bringing in secondary Beast is not even necessary.

Pre-secondary Beast could still win this. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ive seen Beast in Astonishing X-men. What is this hypnosis? Am I supposed to just read the comic and suddenly come to the conclusion that Beast beats Cap?

Great big fat zero, im still waiting for a reason why he wins the majority.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Pre-secondary Beast could still win this.

Which one is that? 😏

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I wish I could, but I don't believe any one issue has gone ahead and just stated all of this stuff on-panel. It's just been seen throughout the recent comics. I think there was some mention of it in an earlier book, if I recall. Probably close to the time when the secondary mutation occurred. I believe it's in the handbooks, too.

And no, I'm not referring to Dark Beast. I'm well aware as to who he is.

And I apologize for saying that it's "pretty well documented". I can see where that would lead to confusion. What I meant to say was that it's been shown several times throughout the recent comics that all of Beast's abilities/attributes have been upgraded, as well as some handbooks. My fault for the wrong choice of words.

Handbooks are worthless if they don't match the source the "stories".

Shown several times in the recent comics. The what title/number are these recent stories again you avoid the question and not give a title/number.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Handbooks are worthless if they don't match the source the "stories".

Shown several times in the recent comics. The what title/number are these recent stories again you avoid the question and not give a title/number.

I dunno I guess he saw Beast dodging lasers and bullets and just assumed that Beast was faster.

Cap for a solid majority.

Cap all day. Just because you are an incredible athlete (Like Beast) doesn't mean that you can necessarily fight.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Cap all day. Just because you are an incredible athlete (Like Beast) doesn't mean that you can necessarily fight.

...But he can though. He's a highly skilled martial artist, trained both by various X-Men along with the multitude of training programs from the Danger Room as well as Captain America, who personally coached him in the ways of fighting.

And Beast isn't just an "athlete" either. He's superhuman.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...But he can though. He's a highly skilled martial artist, trained both by various X-Men along with the multitude of training programs from the Danger Room as well as Captain America, who personally coached him in the ways of fighting.

And Beast isn't just an "athlete" either. He's superhuman.

He obviously isn't that skilled of a fighter because he has a losing record against most Marvel's fighting elite despite his physical advantages. He is just not as good as the Captain America's, Wolverines, BPs etc.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
He obviously isn't that skilled of a fighter because he has a losing record against most Marvel's fighting elite despite his physical advantages. He is just not as good as the Captain America's, Wolverines, BPs etc.

No, he's not. And I never said he was. Obviously, Wolverine/Cap/Black Panther/Iron Fist/Shang Chi/Daredevil/etc.>>>>>>>>>>Beast in terms of martial arts ability. Never denied that. My only point from my previous post was to show that Beast will not be a pushover when it comes to martial arts. He knows how to handle himself and has been doing it for decades. Combined with his own superhuman attributes, his fighting ability is something with which to be reckoned. And they used to show his fighting ability in the comics all the time. Then, bit by bit, he was just cast further back in the background, given a lesser role, and is no longer the threat that he used to be. And he's more powerful now, which is just unfortunate. 😬

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And Beast isn't just an "athlete" either. He's superhuman.

I've come to realize Superhuman is such a vague term its easy for people to throw around and claim a huge physical superiority in vs matches. But being Superhuman is not a massive advantage as most would believe.

Look at it like this....what is the difference between having World Class speed and Olympic class speed in the 100 meter dash? I'll tell you, .01 seconds.

Olympic Class speed is considered by most (but not all) to be 10.14 seconds; If you, at some point in your life have ran at least a 10.14 or below, you have Olympic Class speed. Funny thing is, even if you ran a 10.15, you are NOT Olympic level yet, you are still considered World Class.

My point is, the difference is so marginal is hardly noticeable, and from the naked eye, you would think the 10.15 guy is on the same level as the 10.14 guys (unless their name is Usain Bolt, Asafa Powell or Tyson Gay).

That's what Peak Human is; its that 10.15 guy That's so close the difference isn't even noticeable.

Same thing applies to this thread, Beast is Superhuman, but how far, I mean, is he quicksilver level? No he is not, so comics must decide. And comics have decided that his superhuman abilities are nothing that our top Peak Humans can't handle.

10.14.....10.15.

What makes Beast faster anyways?

I'd like to see these feats that put him above Cap.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I've come to realize Superhuman is such a vague term its easy for people to throw around and claim a huge physical superiority in vs matches. But being Superhuman is not a massive advantage as most would believe.

Look at it like this....what is the difference between having World Class speed and Olympic class speed in the 100 meter dash? I'll tell you, .01 seconds.

Olympic Class speed is considered by most (but not all) to be 10.14 seconds; If you, at some point in your life have ran at least a 10.14 or below, you have Olympic Class speed. Funny thing is, even if you ran a 10.15, you are [b]NOT Olympic level yet, you are still considered World Class.

That's what Peak Human is; its that 10.15 guy That's so close the difference isn't even noticeable.

Same thing applies to this thread, Beast is Superhuman, but how far, I mean, is he quicksilver level? No he is not, so comics must decide. And comics have decided that his superhuman abilities are nothing that our top Peak Humans can't handle.

10.14.....10.15. [/B]

I can see your point, and you make a good good thorough point.
It's just in this case, the difference is about 20x the pressing strength -
if this is Current beast, How much STRONGER does someone have to be to stand a chance against Caps Skill? non-jobbing He would be One shotted by class 100's 2 shotted by class 50's..and so on(not really 1 shotted but u see wht i mean) This is peak human Martial artist vs Class 20 Wild animal...WITH Training FROM the Martial artist and other sources, WITH genius level Interlect. Close if u ask me.