Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Black Bolt: Uniqe origin, awesome sense of power and responsibility of a king who can never outright speak to his people,awesome archnemesis and fairly interesting powerset,with a deep character.Apocalypse: Crap origin,crap character development,basicallly the epitome of fail.
I'll cosign that one.
Apocalypse has a good origin and is a good evil villain type character
Apocalypse was born nearly five thousand years ago in Egypt as a member of the Akkaba clan. Even as an infant, he inspired fear. Ugly and malformed, he was abandoned by the tribe to die in the harsh desert sun. However, a roving band of feared desert nomad raiders, the Sandstormers, slaughtered the population. Their ruthless leader, Baal, found the child crying in rage. Most of them, too, thought the infant should die, though, Baal somehow recognized the potential power in the child. He named him En Sabah Nur ("The First One"😉 in anticipation of others like him and raised him as his own son.As En Sabah Nur grew, he surpassed the other tribesmen in intelligence and strength. Everyone in the tribe except for Baal hated and feared him for his inhuman looks and great abilities. Nur did not understand their fear, but hardened his heart against it. Moreover, he believed in the principle that Baal and the tribe lived by, that only the fittest, the toughest, most ruthless and pitiless, tested by hardship, would, and should, survive. On the day of his tribal rite of passage into manhood, the seventeen-year-old En Sabah Nur killed three armed warriors of the tribe using only his bare hands.
So how is that fail ?
Originally posted by KazenjiComing straight to VHS at an old videostore near you, stars Kevin Sorbo and Tia Carrere.
Apocalypse was born nearly five thousand years ago in Egypt as a member of the Akkaba clan. Even as an infant, he inspired fear. Ugly and malformed, he was abandoned by the tribe to die in the harsh desert sun. However, a roving band of feared desert nomad raiders, the Sandstormers, slaughtered the population. Their ruthless leader, Baal, found the child crying in rage. Most of them, too, thought the infant should die, though, Baal somehow recognized the potential power in the child. He named him En Sabah Nur ("The First One"😉 in anticipation of others like him and raised him as his own son.As En Sabah Nur grew, he surpassed the other tribesmen in intelligence and strength. Everyone in the tribe except for Baal hated and feared him for his inhuman looks and great abilities. Nur did not understand their fear, but hardened his heart against it. Moreover, he believed in the principle that Baal and the tribe lived by, that only the fittest, the toughest, most ruthless and pitiless, tested by hardship, would, and should, survive. On the day of his tribal rite of passage into manhood, the seventeen-year-old En Sabah Nur killed three armed warriors of the tribe using only his bare hands.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I've always liked the irony of a King who can't directly speak to his people too. 🙂 And I've always liked the Maximus-Black Bolt dynamic - somewhat Hamlet/Shakespearean... or Disney/Lion Kingish. ermmhappy
The entire Inhuman society is just plain awesomeness in its own right.
Maximus' crazy monologues and talks with Black Bolt, they're the best.
Originally posted by grey fox
Have to agree, for once I'd like to see someone become evil just for the hell of it."Why am I blowing up this Orphanage Stupendous man ? Why because it makes me feel good , that's why !"
Screw neglect and 'My parent are deeeeeeeead !!!!' , lets have a villain whose a dick just for the sake of it !
I think DCs Scarecrow comes under that category. From what I understand he just decided he was going to be a basterd. 😂
Cnat be assed to go through what I think makes a good character but some of the characters I like are Promotheus. Characters that started from nothing and from hardwork became badasses
Originally posted by Kazenji
Apocalypse has a good origin and is a good evil villain type characterSo how is that fail ?
You didn't post his full origin.
The story of Apocalypse begins 3000 BC (approximately 5,000 years ago) Egypt during the First Dynasty. He is born gray-skinned and with his characteristic disfigured lips, a sign of doom, in the settlement of Akkaba, he is abandoned by his original parents. The child was left to die in the harsh desert sun. However, a roving band of feared nomad raiders, the Sandstormers, slaughtered the population. Their ruthless leader, Baal, found the child crying in rage, and believed him to have the potential to be a god. He raised the child as his own, naming him En Sabah Nur (translates into "The First One"😉 in anticipation of others like him.The tribe lived and died by the philosophy of survival of the fittest, with "fittest" being the toughest, most ruthless and pitiless. As En Sabah Nur grew, he surpassed the other tribesmen in intelligence and strength. Everyone in the tribe except for Baal hated and feared him for his inhuman looks and abilities. Nur did not understand their fear, but hardened his heart against it. Moreover, he believed in the principle that Baal and the tribe lived by, that only the fittest, tested by hardship, would, and should, survive. En Sabah Nur earned the right to adulthood at seventeen by surviving an endurance test in the desert: Nur killed three armed warriors of the tribe using only his bare hands. He and Baal were the only Sandstormers to survive when General Ozymandias attacked their camp. They found refuge in a sacred cave before it collapsed.
After a week of wandering without food or water, they found the remnants of a timeship inside an underground Egyptian tomb. Baal told En Sabah Nur to continue spreading the Sandstormers' doctrine, with the ultimate goal being the removal of Rama-Tut, a man from the future who had arrived in a fantastic ship and had become the Pharaoh of Egypt. Baal told Nur that he believed him to be a conqueror whose coming was foretold in ancient prophecies, and that Nur was in fact destined to overthrow Rama-Tut. When Baal died from lack of nourishment, Nur, who survived thanks to his mutant physiology, vowed to take revenge on Rama-Tut and claim his destiny. When Nur reached the surface, he was quickly enslaved.
While a slave, he kept his disfigured lips constantly covered, and Ozymandias' sister, Nephri, became attracted to the mysterious slave. Eventually, he experienced a vision of the Egyptian death god Set, who seemly unlocks Nur's mutant powers. En Sabah Nur caught the attention of the Pharaoh, in actuality a time-travelling earlier incarnation of Kang the Conqueror, who had come back in time to locate the young Apocalypse and take him under his wing. Kang knew that Apocalypse, one of the most powerful mutants who ever lived, was destined to overthrow the world, and had been born in ancient Egypt. Hence, Rama-Tut had gone back in time to find Apocalypse as a child, raise him, and thereby become his master. Since Rama-Tut's mission failed, he decided to keep Apocalypse as a slave.
En Sabah Nur was thrown into a pit of snakes, but survived when his powers activated. He revealed his face to Nephri, who rejected him for his appearance, and refused to bow to Rama-Tut, who by this time had captured the likewise time-traveling Fantastic Four by using a futuristic weapon. The pharaoh shot Nur with the same gun, and the latter was once more left to die, but survived with the sudden emergence of his prodigious mutant abilities. Fueled by rage and betrayal, he renamed himself Apocalypse. Rama-Tut fled the former slave's rampage, as the Fantastic Four went back to their own era. Nur also used Rama-Tut's advanced technology to enslave and transform his former tormentor Ozymandias into a blind seer made of living stone, and would use the latter's ability to chronicle his future destinies. Years later, Apocalypse revisited Nephri, now an ancient Egyptian Queen, he mocked her dying beauty, as he was still as he had been years before. In the end, Apocalypse walked away, leaving Egypt.
I don't see any problem with Apocalypse's back story. At least he wasn't the third Summers brother that Weinberg planned...
Apoc as the Third Summers brother would have been kickass.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I think DCs Scarecrow comes under that category. From what I understand he just decided he was going to be a basterd. 😂Cnat be assed to go through what I think makes a good character but some of the characters I like are Promotheus. Characters that started from nothing and from hardwork became badasses
Nah, Crane was bullied in school and became Emo for a while before putting on his goofy-ass costume and doping people with his 'fear gas'.
It's bullshit, EVERYONE gets tormented by Kids. EVERYONE. You don't see me, Scoob or Xmark putting on some retard costume and drugging people just because Billy Jean thought it'd be funny to fling a mud ball at you.
The characters I like always appeal to aspects of myself. Like Deadpool nails my humor. Guys like Doom and Iron Man earn their notches through intelligence instead of lucking out and receiving powers. In a similar vein, Magneto improved what he had through intelligence showing once again how knowledge is power. I could go on and on.
Originally posted by grey fox
Apoc as the Third Summers brother would have been kickass.Nah, Crane was bullied in school and became Emo for a while before putting on his goofy-ass costume and doping people with his 'fear gas'.
It's bullshit, EVERYONE gets tormented by Kids. EVERYONE. You don't see me, Scoob or Xmark putting on some retard costume and drugging people just because Billy Jean thought it'd be funny to fling a mud ball at you.
Actually the real Billy Jean wanted to sleep with you kids when y'all were kids...that's enough to drive a kid crazy and emotionally nuts.