Hercules vs Wendigo

Originally posted by jinzin
When Logan initially started beating him back? No he wasn't.

All Logan said in relation to Hulk vs. Wends was that Hulk tried his best and it wasn't enough.
So... Wrong.

All Wolverine did was finish him off. In a story where its showed how Wendigo is alot easier to hit and hurt with the adamantium claws, while against Hulk for example they did nothing.

Apart from the finished move, what else did he do of note other than jumping around?

Originally posted by jinzin
And? That makes him depowered? When he's batting around Vindicator?
He does bad against Lupins. Always has..

Vindicator wasent there in either instance that i mentioned. It isent a matter of being depowered, its a matter of the versions being different according to the host.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine was striking him in the head and he was reeling back. He lost a fight with Wolverine ooonhhhnnnooooesss. Get over it.

I dont need to get over balloney. A version who got beaten from by Wolverine alone isent going to win against someone like Hulk or Hercules. Especially when said version lacks bigger figthing showings

Originally posted by jinzin
Or maybe he brings it up to point out your flawed line of Logic that Sabretooth or Wolverine beating someone automatically makes them a depowered version...

When the version in question doesnt have any other major opponents in comparation with another who did well against the Hulk? More than once?

You keep bringing the depowered antics and it doesnt apply.

Originally posted by jinzin
Pffftt... Yeah Like when Sabretooth takes down Killpower who's stalemating Herc's strength in the same comic. Or when Wolverine takes down Hulk who's stated to be the strongest creature walking the Earth in the same book....

Yeah, those are low showings. If they happened as you say at all.

A Wendigo version who only fougth Logan and co, and was beaten all the times by Logan and co, isent a low showing, its a standart.

Originally posted by jinzin
Whatever it takes to help you ignore Wolverine beating your favorite character in canon material. 🙄

I dont even need to ignore it. The writer himself did that by not including a single thing about the figth. Like i said, credit definatly goes to the runt with a win that you dont know anything about. My preference? It goes to two other showings where i see what it happens and a midget gets tossed around.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You're wrong as usual. The reason I bring it up is just because Wendigo failed to down Logan or Sabretooth does not mean he can fail to take down Hercules when in fact Hercules himself has failed to take down Wolverine.

*points above*

Yeah, yeah. It doesnt fly on other boards and it doesnt fly with me.

Originally posted by olympian
All Wolverine did was finish him off. In a story where its showed how Wendigo is alot easier to hit and hurt with the adamantium claws, while against Hulk for example they did nothing.

He didn't just finish Wendi. He jumped him right after Hulk and had him staggering back already before Hulk jumped back into the fight after confusion. Hulk couldn't bring Wendi down, Wolverine could. Hulk wasn't gaining any advantage on Wendigo before the end of that fight, Wolverine was. Nice attempt to try and discredit Loges though.. I guess the Wendigo that manhandled She-Hulk was depowered only when he was fighting Logan too huh?

Originally posted by olympian
Apart from the finished move, what else did he do of note other than jumping around?

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Originally posted by olympian
Vindicator wasent there in either instance that i mentioned. It isent a matter of being depowered, its a matter of the versions being different according to the host.

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In the byrne feat that you reffered to where Wolverine beat Wendigo by himself... Earlier that very comic Wendigo was taking batting practice to Vindicator/Guardian/Mac (if that helps you). It's a matter of every version being a C100 Hulk level threat.... Unless of course Wolverine/Sabretooth have beaten them according to you.

Originally posted by olympian
I dont need to get over balloney. A version who got beaten from by Wolverine alone isent going to win against someone like Hulk or Hercules. Especially when said version lacks bigger figthing showings.

Originally posted by olympian
When the version in question doesnt have any other major opponents in comparation with another who did well against the Hulk? More than once?

You keep bringing the depowered antics and it doesnt apply.

Originally posted by olympian
Yeah, those are low showings. If they happened as you say at all.

Originally posted by olympian
A Wendigo version who only fougth Logan and co, and was beaten all the times by Logan and co, isent a low showing, its a standart.

Originally posted by olympian
I dont even need to ignore it. The writer himself did that by not including a single thing about the figth. Like i said, credit definatly goes to the runt with a win that you dont know anything about. My preference? It goes to two other showings where i see what it happens and a midget gets tossed around.

Tossed around? if by tossed around you mean that Herc got planted on his ass in one instance and ran away in the next. Both times looking to grab a foreign object to literally sheild himself from Logan because he's scared of Wolverine's claws... 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
He didn't just finish Wendi. He jumped him right after Hulk and had him staggering back already before Hulk jumped back into the fight after confusion. Hulk couldn't bring Wendi down, Wolverine could. Hulk wasn't gaining any advantage on Wendigo before the end of that fight, Wolverine was. Nice attempt to try and discredit Loges though.. I guess the Wendigo that manhandled She-Hulk was depowered only when he was fighting Logan too huh?

Sorry to know that you dont know what a finish move is. He gets tossed at a tree, and Logan then jumps in. Thats a finish move.

Originally posted by jinzin
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So, jumping in and cutting?

When i asked something of note, i was asking something on his own with the same effect he had at the end, AFTER Hulk hit Wendigo.

Originally posted by jinzin
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In the byrne feat that you reffered to where Wolverine beat Wendigo by himself... Earlier that very comic Wendigo was taking batting practice to Vindicator/Guardian/Mac (if that helps you). It's a matter of every version being a C100 Hulk level threat.... Unless of course Wolverine/Sabretooth have beaten them according to you.

No need to wtf whatosever.

Especially since there is a reason in the story for Mac and co, NOT going after him, after the initial assault. The way they fougth, wasent akin to someone figthing a Hulk level guy.

Ah, and you forgot another top tier figthing on that day: Nigthcrawler.

Originally posted by jinzin
And why would that be? A version who was going rounds with Hulk which Hulk couldn't get an advantage on was losing to Wolverine.

After Hulk had attacked him, since Wolverine alone despite the cuts, wasent taking him down either.

Take Hulk off the battle and Logan wouldnt had finish him off.

Originally posted by jinzin
But this goes right back to your notion that being beaten by Wolveirne automatically makes one depowered... In spite of the fact that Wolverine has given Hulk hell on 20 occasions now... 😐

What you give me the is the notion of not really being smart. I am not talking about any loss of power, because there isent really one. The Wendigo is different according to the host. It has always been that way.

And a Wendigo that gets taken down by Logan alone and Snowbyrd isent the same as one battling logan and the HULK, or the same as battling Sasquatch and the Hulk and doing good in both instances.

Originally posted by jinzin
That's exactly what you're saying.. That the hosts that Wolverine beat wouldn't be a threat to Hulk in spite of the fact that Wolverine's toe to toed it with ones that were threats to Hulk, She Hulk, Guardian, and Mauvais.

Oh, please.

Wolverine couldnt had finished off any of those without the assistance. And yet he COULD to the one we are debating about. Weird as shit, isent it?

Heck, he had the whole Alpha Fligth assisting him against Mauvais in Wendigo form and yet the only way he was stopped was when the Canadian Gods stepped in.

Originally posted by jinzin
Low showings? Why because you say so?

No. Because said characters are usually written battling higher ranted foes than Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
Both characters have long running histories of being legit threats to C100's.

They are threats, but they arent cl 100 busters.

Originally posted by jinzin
Sorry you have a problem with it but stronger doesn't equate to better. The same way that "beaten by Wolverine/Sabretooth" doesn't equate to weaker, which is that garbage you're trying to sell here.

It would only be garbage if the version in question had better shit to draw from.

Originally posted by jinzin
"I don't like it, it didn't happen"....
🙄

Did i said that?

Brother. Im debating someone who cant read.

Originally posted by jinzin
Tossed around? if by tossed around you mean that Herc got planted on his ass in one instance and ran away in the next. Both times looking to grab a foreign object to literally sheild himself from Logan because he's scared of Wolverine's claws... 😐

More like both times when he tells the runt to stop bothering him like a child, and when the runt doesnt listen he bitchtslaps him across the room like a servant.

"your table, please"?

Originally posted by olympian
Sorry to know that you dont know what a finish move is. He gets tossed at a tree, and Logan then jumps in. Thats a finish move.

Originally posted by olympian
So, jumping in and cutting?

"Apart from the finished move, what else did he do of note other than jumping around?"

Well that's what he did, he jumped at Wendi, and he was hacking away... and dodging, and kicking... essentially? Winning a fight with a creature that you seem to think he couldn't beat. You also seemed to think all he did was jump around... Which is once again... Wrong.

Fact is, Wolverine was beating Wendigo into submission before Hulk came in and body slammed him. It's right there on the pages printed in ink.

Originally posted by olympian
When i asked something of note, i was asking something on his own with the same effect he had at the end, AFTER Hulk hit Wendigo.

Originally posted by olympian
No need to wtf whatosever.

Especially since there is a reason in the story for Mac and co, NOT going after him, after the initial assault. The way they fougth, wasent akin to someone figthing a Hulk level guy.

Ah, and you forgot another top tier figthing on that day: Nigthcrawler.

"the way they fought" There you go trying to pass off your speculatory bullshit as facts again.... Pfffftttt.. Nightcrawler was porting for his life while Guardian was trying to fight using his range and keeping his distance.. that's EXACTLY how they would respond to a "Hulk level guy". 😐

Originally posted by olympian
After Hulk had attacked him, since Wolverine alone despite the cuts, wasent taking him down either.

"though you might think a fight... is one sided, we assure you it is not"
"He's weakening"... Wolverine was beating Wendigo back and winning the fight before Hulk jumped in to bodylam him.
Also, just because Hulk jumped in doesn't mean that Wolverine couldn't take him down by himself... Like he has done.

Originally posted by olympian
Take Hulk off the battle and Logan wouldnt had finish him off.

Your entire argument relies on giving the benefit of the doubt to Wendigo and stripping it from Logan in spite of an entire career of taking down C100's on top of the panels that contradict your argument in the first place. Biased nonsense all in some attempt to keep Herc from looking bad. Sad really.

Originally posted by olympian
What you give me the is the notion of not really being smart.

First Post:

Originally posted by olympian
The Wendigo that held up to the Hulk would do good.
The one that failed against Saber and Logan, likely wouldnt. Ah, who are we kidding? It wouldnt.

Second Post:

Originally posted by olympian
That Wendigo was burned out after figthing Hulk. Logan remarked as much.

Third Post:

Originally posted by olympian
All Wolverine did was finish him off

Forth Post:

Originally posted by olympian
Vindicator wasent there in either instance that i mentioned.

Originally posted by olympian
Later on, during Byrne`s X-Men run, he got taken down by Logan alone, momentarily, and after he came back, was taken by Snowbyrd with a (real) "Wolverine" form.

Fifth Post:

Originally posted by olympian
My preference? It goes to two other showings where i see what it happens and a midget gets tossed around.

Originally posted by olympian
I am not talking about any loss of power, because there isent really one. The Wendigo is different according to the host. It has always been that way.

Originally posted by olympian
And a Wendigo that gets taken down by Logan alone and Snowbyrd isent the same as one battling logan and the HULK, or the same as battling Sasquatch and the Hulk and doing good in both instances.

That's what you THINK.. prove it... prove that he was on a much weaker level. Convinient for your argument that Wendigo was a Hulkbusting version before his fight and after his fight with Wolverine but not when he was fighting Wolverine....

Originally posted by olympian
Oh, please. Wolverine couldnt had finished off any of those without the assistance. And yet he COULD to the one we are debating about. Weird as shit, isent it?

Originally posted by olympian
Heck, he had the whole Alpha Fligth assisting him against Mauvais in Wendigo form and yet the only way he was stopped was when the Canadian Gods stepped in.

Originally posted by olympian
No. Because said characters are usually written battling higher ranted foes than Wolverine.

Originally posted by olympian
They are threats, but they arent cl 100 busters.

Originally posted by olympian
It would only be garbage if the version in question had better shit to draw from.

Originally posted by olympian
Did i said that?

Brother. Im debating someone who cant read.

You implied it when you tried to write off Herc losing to Wolverine simply based on the fact that it happened off panel in spite of having at least two panels to draw some context from...

Originally posted by olympian
More like both times when he tells the runt to stop bothering him like a child, and when the runt doesnt listen he bitchtslaps him across the room like a servant.

Originally posted by olympian
"your table, please"?

Yeah, just look at the pleasent look of Hercules when Wolverine actually DOES something instead of being treathed like the servant he was. Watching him squirt over the table like a cartoon puppet only amused Hercules more. So much that he cracked even more jokes to the midget:

"cmon, duffus, that is ALL?"

But here he actually does something of note. One hit. That makes Herc strike a beach pose and offer him a drink:

"so you do have some worth, thats cool. I was getting worried about you".

You cant even whine about the second encounter when Logan had the backup of other four Avengers, tried to sneacked on Herc without warning and still got bitched like everyone else. On the subject to the Wendigo, i have to talk to you like a four year old, watch:

A) a Wendigo that figths both Hulk and Wolverine at the same time and is doing GOOD is not on a level of a Wendigo that get troubles dealing with Logan and Snowbird.

B) a Wendigo that figths Sasquatch and Hulk at the same time and is doing GOOD isent on a level of a Wendigo that gets troubles dealing with Logan and Snowbird.

C) a Wendigo that figths Logan and the whole Alpha fligth and is doing GOOD sent on a level of a Wendigo that gets troubles dealing with Logan and Snowbird.

The ones that gave hell to someone like Hulk and co, are surely top tier menaces. The ones who only have Wolverine and Snowbird to deal with and lose, arent. And it goes exactly in character because the Wendigo varies according to the host. This was seen with Mauvais when the Wendigo changed and got more powerful.

Originally posted by jinzin
You implied it when you tried to write off Herc losing to Wolverine simply based on the fact that it happened off panel in spite of having at least two panels to draw some context from... [/img]

Implied nothing, kid. I said i aknowleged it. There is no reason not to, really. Its healthy to know that the best Wolverine can do to someone like Hercules is to somehow, somewhere win off panel. It just shows how much though the writer put into it.

Herc was tipped over by a table? wuss

I find amusing that you try to get some rivality happen, but i just got more history with Jin.

Originally posted by llagrok
Herc was tipped over by a table? wuss

Was it a coffee table? mhmm

The coffe table that fell Apocalypse?

Maybe. But look how Apoc ran away, while Herc was just tipped and offered a drink.

Herc > Apoc.

Originally posted by olympian
The coffe table that fell Apocalypse?

Maybe. But look how Apoc ran away, while Herc was just tipped and offered a drink.

Herc > Apoc.

The table wasn't the reason Apoc ran, though.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Was it a coffee table? mhmm

When Bada tried to break a table on me, I just laughed and twisted his arm.

But you got hit by the falling table across the room. I know, i was there.

Originally posted by olympian
Yeah, just look at the pleasent look of Hercules when Wolverine actually DOES something instead of being treathed like the servant he was. Watching him squirt over the table like a cartoon puppet only amused Hercules more. So much that he cracked even more jokes to the midget:

"cmon, duffus, that is ALL?"

And once again, Hercules on two seperate occasions has needed a foreign object to negotiate Wolverine's claws and keep from getting turned into meat cubes.

Originally posted by olympian
But here he actually does something of note. One hit. That makes Herc strike a beach pose and offer him a drink:

"so you do have some worth, thats cool. I was getting worried about you".

Originally posted by olympian
You cant even whine about the second encounter when Logan had the backup of other four Avengers, tried to sneacked on Herc without warning and still got bitched like everyone else.

Originally posted by olympian
On the subject to the Wendigo, i have to talk to you like a four year old, watch:

Originally posted by olympian
A) a Wendigo that figths both Hulk and Wolverine at the same time and is doing GOOD is not on a level of a Wendigo that get troubles dealing with Logan and Snowbird.

Second, the Wendigo in question WAS having trouble with Wolverine alone. He was staggering back, weakening, not landing blows, he was losing. So your logic here is flawed as well as your recollection of the events that tooks place.

Originally posted by olympian
B) a Wendigo that figths Sasquatch and Hulk at the same time and is doing GOOD isent on a level of a Wendigo that gets troubles dealing with Logan and Snowbird.

Originally posted by olympian
C) a Wendigo that figths Logan and the whole Alpha fligth and is doing GOOD sent on a level of a Wendigo that gets troubles dealing with Logan and Snowbird.

Originally posted by olympian
The ones that gave hell to someone like Hulk and co, are surely top tier menaces. The ones who only have Wolverine and Snowbird to deal with and lose, arent.

Do I REALLY need to start bringing every example of Wolverine taking out top tier level menaces? The man put down Kierrok by himself in 4 panels in his 9th appearance. Kierrok owned the whole X-Men and 2 shotted Colossus.

Wolverine one shotted Arkon.

And, again, Hulk himself has had trouble with Wolverine.. Your logic is flawed.

Originally posted by olympian
And it goes exactly in character because the Wendigo varies according to the host. This was seen with Mauvais when the Wendigo changed and got more powerful.

Wendigo is always portrayed as a brick level character and nothing less, including the monkey sized one in Fanfare. Even his handbook entries give him brick level strength with no mention of a clearly changing consistency. Wendigo from Uncanny was portrayed as a brick level as well.

You think they weren't treating Wendigo like he was a class 100? Nightcrawler had never booked from 100's like he did Wendigo, and that includes people like Juggernaught, Kierrok, and Moses Magnum among others.
Vindicator got owned and Wendigo didn't even acknowledge his blasts.

Originally posted by olympian
Implied nothing, kid. I said i aknowleged it. There is no reason not to, really. Its healthy to know that the best Wolverine can do to someone like Hercules is to somehow, somewhere win off panel. It just shows how much though the writer put into it.

Funny how Wolverine takes down "somone like Hercules" all the time.

Funny how even though you think that's the "best he can do" being off panel that he's taken down Namor on panel or held his own every time they've fought. But like I said before.. whatever it takes to help you rationalize your favorite character losing. 😉

Wolverine portrayals against bricks have been pretty consistent. He's always done good against bricks.

Originally posted by jinzin

Wolverine one shotted Arkon.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
How many times did they fight? I remember Arkon drop kicking Wolverine on his way out of a pool making Logan go limp. Colossus then kayoed Arkon.

Originally posted by llagrok
Wolverine portrayals against bricks have been pretty consistent. He's always done good against bricks.

Yup. I mean you'd think they'd give the guy a break having been doing that since his first appearance. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Yup. I mean you'd think they'd give the guy a break having been doing that since his first appearance. 😬

And most bricks fight like idiots against Wolverine, they punch him 20 yards away every damn time, which gives him a lot of time to heal up. That's why I give martial artists and certain speedsters better odds against him than bricks. Numerous blows to his head in a quick succession, is much more like to succeed than one super blow every other minute....

Originally posted by llagrok
And most bricks fight like idiots against Wolverine, they punch him 20 yards away every damn time, which gives him a lot of time to heal up. That's why I give martial artists and certain speedsters better odds against him than bricks. Numerous blows to his head in a quick succession, is much more like to succeed than one super blow every other minute....

herc does better against wendy than he does against wolvie for just that reason, imo. wolverine has the wepaons AND skill AND brains. wendigo is savage. he could certainly put a hurt on herc, but herc wins almost everytime imo.

herc v wolverive?? think i'll stay out of that one . . . 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
could certainly put a hurt on herc, but herc wins almost everytime imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
herc v wolverive?? think i'll stay out of that one . . . 😉