Originally posted by olympian
King, why dont you just ask the scans of the whole thing, before saying its taken out of context? Im sure someone must have them in store.
I actually have posted the entire fight, it's in the Wrecking Crew respect thread.
Shamless plug:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t453738.html
Originally posted by olympian
Hercules was suffering a confidence problem and Thor put himself into harm`s way on porpuse for Hercules to come on his senses. When he saw Thor being beaten (on porpuse) he went nuts, and put them down alone, fairly quickly at that and busted some of theyr weapons into dust in the process.
Oh I know, as it was because of what happened in Avengers. I even posted these scans and talked about it in the Wrecking Crew to give context. I have a problem where Leo said he took out the entire Crew here himself...when he didn't. He looked awesome, but he didn't flat out beat them 😬
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_03.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_04.jpg
Originally posted by olympian
Hercules didnt punched the ones that wer holding him still. He just lifted the arms and had them knocked heads.
Yeppers, made mention of it later on. Still not the same if they were fighting back
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_15.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_16.jpg
Originally posted by olympian
Hulk is confident that he can win against anybody. That doesnt make him true.That doesnt really change that they couldnt do a single thing when the duo decided to figth back. Plus, just because someone isent knocked out, it doesnt mean they wont look bad or that they didnt lost. How often do people this strong get knocked out in a head on battle? Fairly little.
I think its more odd that you hold Snowbird in a "wolverine" form in higher esteem.
That was more of a comment about how Leo said Hercules beat the entire crew, but Wrecker was still ready to go. I don't think he would have won, but it was a reference to show he was still was ready to fight. Oh Hercules most definetly lost, but Leo said he defeated them SOLO, when he didn't.
I do? FYI, it wasn't a normal wolverine anyways
Originally posted by olympian
I would have to look for it, since i dont know by heart. If you can acess to Hercules tread in SHC, Thorion post it there.It was during Hercules beardless tenure before he lost immortality, i think. If i can get it, ill post it, but i only saw it, i dont own it.
Cool cool, look forward for it as I don't think I have read the story.
Originally posted by olympian
"Kill"? When? Afer he pounded on them, or when they had the confidence of watching him as a feeble former shadow?
When his confidence was down, and that's why Thor had to save him and help him get his confidence back willingly to nearly get killed himself to do it. Just adding context.
Originally posted by olympian
That blurred line only started when guys like Jurgens wer writting him as not depowered over "Thor" when pretty much at the same time guys like Busiek wer writting him wih the knowlege of loss of power over "Thunderbolts and "Avengers".During the H4H days, however, his status was clear. It was fresh out of his Avengers last tenure where he lost power, of Hulk`s figth in the one shot and his 90`s mini.
Cool, fair enough
Originally posted by olympian
Wendigo. And that is exactly what i have been saying all along. It depends on the Wendigo in question. The Wendigo doesnt have always the same level of showings.I surely wouldnt have Hercules take a majority over the one that fougth Savage and Sasquatch at the same time. But i dont find ludricious one bit for him to take a majority over the one that didnt lasted more than a page of worth against either Wolverine and Snowbird. And its not even the point of selling them short, its how the showing is actualy short in measure compared to the others
Yeah in my initial post on page 1, and several comments following I said depends on what host as there are some out there that are significantly weaker.
That Wendigo was actually pretty strong, as basically energy attacks or magic was useless against him. He could be taken out by physical force though.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/uxm140pg16.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
The entire fight is posted in the Wendigo section under the host "Larry"Lulz and your not? It was, but I take it you didn't see the fight between Hulk and Captain Mar-vell now did you? As this was not normal Banner controlled Hulk
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so you initially speculate wendigo was gonna drown hulk, i suggest hulk could have and HAS gotten out of many similar and FAR worse scenarios before and then you criticize me because I'M speculating?
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not the normal banner-controlled hulk? whatever that means . . .
btw, i scanned the battle. maybe you could post the 'look of terror' for everyone to see? i think hulk's words were something like "gluh-gloh . . ."
yeah, he sounded REAL worried. his comment lent quite the air of imminent death . . . 🙄
Lulz, talk about taking things out of context. First off Hercules was terrified of the Crew which he voiced several times in the issue, and then they fought in the issue and beat him pretty bad and it was Thor that saved him as they were going to kill him. So you saying Hercules solo'ed the Crew is wrong and taken out of context. Thunderball said they were "punchy" as in dizzy from the blows maybe have a concussion, but the Hercules hit he did on them was when they wern't even hitting him they were holding him. So not really that impressive as your making it out. Also Hercules hits Wrecker, but he was literally unphased by it and Thor didn't hit him away at the end, he summoned an energy storm and then they left...with all their members still standing, and Wrecker was still sure he could win. 😬
anyone who looks at the scans can see herc was depicted as superior to the crew once he overcame his CIS induced confidence issue. by his lonesome he one-shotted piledriver and bulldozer, prolly gave them concussions, shattered the ball, and pounded on wrecker. ko'd wrecker? no. shown as superior? clearly. but you made them a friggin respect thread. clearly they're your boyz, and you'll believe as you will. more power to you. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
😆so you initially speculate wendigo was gonna drown hulk, i suggest hulk could have and HAS gotten out of many similar and FAR worse scenarios before and then you criticize me because I'M speculating?
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not the normal banner-controlled hulk? whatever that means . . .
btw, i scanned the battle. maybe you could post the 'look of terror' for everyone to see? i think hulk's words were something like "gluh-gloh . . ."
yeah, he sounded REAL worried. his comment lent quite the air of imminent death . . . 🙄
Yeah and Hulk has been chocked uncouncious by a snake, so basically you will give the benefit of the doubt for everyone but Wendigo as that's what your doing in this thread. Interesting. Wendigo clearly had the upperhand, and with Captain Marvel having to save him really doesn't mean anything right? Oh my
Read the issue, if you did you would see he was VASTLY stronger and more durable or is that asking to much?
It's posted in the Wendigo respect thread as I mentioned earlier
What are you talking about?
Originally posted by leonidas
anyone who looks at the scans can see herc was depicted as superior to the crew once he overcame his CIS induced confidence issue. by his lonesome he one-shotted piledriver and bulldozer, prolly gave them concussions, shattered the ball, and pounded on wrecker. ko'd wrecker? no. shown as superior? clearly. but you made them a friggin respect thread. clearly they're your boyz, and you'll believe as you will. more power to you. 🙂
You said he flat out beat them and manipulate events and told incorrect things that happened. He one-shotted Piledriver and Bulldozer by lifting them up while they were holding him and not fighting back. ZOMG THAT'S AMAZING. Also to note Thunderball was fighting with one broken arm as well even at the start of the fight, so that's another thing you neglected to say. Also Wrecker clearly shrugged off those blows, just because he hit him showed he was superior even though the blows didn't even phase him? Uh huh. Yeah because I have actually read the issues first hand, I know what they have done so silly me for not taking things out of context.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah and Hulk has been chocked uncouncious by a snake, so basically you will give the benefit of the doubt for everyone but Wendigo as that's what your doing in this thread. Interesting. Wendigo clearly had the upperhand, and with Captain Marvel having to save him really doesn't mean anything right? Oh my
choked by a snake. 😐
that's nice . . . happens all the time, does it? so it has happened . . . once? twice in the forty+ year history of hulk? so based on those percentages, and the 'terror' ( 😂 ) clearly written all over his face, i'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to wendigo? 😑
are you aware of the hypocrisy in your post? you preach on about context and criticize about speculating then tell me hulk was "terrified" to create a misleading context then go on to make it seem as though there was no option BUT for CM to save him -- pure speculation. cuz it is SO rare for heroes to APPEAR to be beaten only to come back to win the fight or find a way out of the dilemma . . . 🙄
i answered your initial speculation with a speculative suggestion that is completely logical based on the fact that hulk has been choked out . . . how many times in his history again . . .? but then, this WAS the weaker, banner-controlled version, so who knows, maybe he did need saving. 🙂
You said he flat out beat them and manipulate events and told incorrect things that happened. He one-shotted Piledriver and Bulldozer by lifting them up while they were holding him and not fighting back. ZOMG THAT'S AMAZING. Also to note Thunderball was fighting with one broken arm as well even at the start of the fight, so that's another thing you neglected to say. Also Wrecker clearly shrugged off those blows, just because he hit him showed he was superior even though the blows didn't even phase him? Uh huh. Yeah because I have actually read the issues first hand, I know what they have done so silly me for not taking things out of context. [/B]
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so, piledriver and bulldozer weren't TRYING to hold him? you crack me up.
btw, i'm not saying it's impressive at ALL. piledriver and bulldozer are pretty much worthless, so beating them isn't much at all. herc would beat the 2 of them 100/10 in any situation. smashing the ball was a little more impresive, and thunderball would have been a pretty big threat without it . . . even with 2 arms. 🙄
lol at you clinging to whatever you can to avoid acknowledging herc was clearly depicted as superior to your precious crew. you're right -- he didn't ko wrecker. congrats (not that i said anything different at any time). but a ko doesn't always need to happen for the impression of superiority to be created. everyone is free to view the scans and come to their own conclusions.
anywho, as expected, this is going exactly nowhere so i'll bow out now. still though, always a pleasure your majesty. 😉
