Hercules vs Wendigo

Any animal that Snowbird transforms into is white. That doesnt translate into anything at all.

What i am asking is: if the animal in question compares to an actual wolverine or it was a juiced up version 10 times more powerful or the sort And all i see is a mention about how its compared to an actual wolverine. Nothing more.

Is the size of the animal that is getting things confused? I higly doubt that Byrne went into exact measure of sizes as long it looked credible as far as proportions go. But then again, wait:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine

He doesnt really strick me as being that small.

.............there brown which is what your sources even showed..........

snow bird wolverine was huge............and actual wolverine looks small next to a wolf let a lone the wolverine snow bird turn into.........

Originally posted by olympian
I love this argument. Love it.

Originally posted by olympian
Just because he could hurt Wendigo with his claws, you keep discounting Hulk`s credit in this figth. If the roles wer reversed in that last page and Hulk was the one to trow the last punch, would you give the nod to Hulk as well? When it took the teamwork of those two to wear down Wendigo?

Originally posted by olympian
And you try to use a rat ass argument and have it at the exact same level as showings go, to a Wendigo that fell quickier to both Logan and Snowbird alone?

Assasine.

Considering couterier's showing against Wolverine was almost identical and given that he never even fought Snowbird, the only thin asinine here is you thinking you have proof of anything.

Originally posted by olympian
And here it is the crux of the whole thing. He was losing to Wolverine alone but still lasted one page, figthing BOTH? If he was that weak, Hulk jumping at him rigth after the three panel worth of cutting would be enough to down him. But no. He took the cutting. He took Hulk`s attack afterwards. He had Logan jump at him and blind him, for Hulk to attack again, and then Logan made his finishing move.
This isent the end of all bricks showings, but you compare THIS to Wendigo losing, in a single page to Logan alone? And Snowbird?
Fail.

It's painful that I have to point out such an obvious point to you but I guess I shouldn't really expect much more from you. The pretty pictures you like to look at oh so gleefully are only a portion of the comic. The words matter too. In the particular case of uncanny we're treated to a simple matter of storytelling taking precedence over panel time.. Sure there's four panels but we're given that it takes place over a "matter of minutes"... Perhaps you're unaware how long several minutes can be in a fight. But if you're sprinting, even 10 seconds is half a lifetime. Wolverine? He's a guy who fought Omega Red for 18 hours and maxed out the danger room without even an elevated raise in his heart beat.. but he was pooped after his four panel fight with Wendigo... why? Because it was days of nonstop combat compacted into those minutes. Wendigo lasting minutes against a Berserker Raged out Wolverine who can strike multiple times in a single second is a far superior showing that falling back against a lax, hit talking Wolverine.

Snowbird's nothing more thn a logical fallacy since Courtier Wendigo never fought her.

As I said before, if I AM failing here, it's because you're doing enough failing for the both of us.

Originally posted by olympian
One interesting note: "Logan was stronger this time". The only way you know this is if you had compared his earlier showings to the current ones at the time. Its odd on why you dont do that to Wendigo as well, when other showings wer all better.

But i disgress.

Originally posted by olympian
He lost to a Wolverine without backup. He also lost to Snowbird alone who used a simple animal form. You keep forgetting that we arent talking about only Wolverine here. Every single showing of this Wendigo kind of pales next to the others.

In spite of recovering faster than Courtier did from Wolverine's knock out blow?
In spite of having speed feats?
Or Koing Logan with several hits?

Yeah that really pales to Courtier... 🙄

Originally posted by olympian
Explain to me how it isent a lower showing than the others. Try.

Just did.. Don't think another serving of logic and facts are going to help you much though.

Originally posted by olympian
And try without the idiocity that you and King are bawling about her mystical nature power. She didnt cast any magic, she used her internal power to transform into an animal. Thats what she does. Just like Superman`s natural power source is the sun. It doesnt mean that when he punches someone, he leaves the person with a sunburn, does it?
A simple animal. Who didnt sported a mystical shield, or balloney like that. Who didnt cast anyhing on Wendigo.
If you keep sporting otherwise Hercules and co, wins this. Easily. They all have a mystical source for theyr power.

Originally posted by olympian
They dont let us of the advance class talk with the retard ones.

Wich is crude if you ask me 🙁

Originally posted by olympian
Is it?

In the same panel where Crystal went to assist (because as you say, Hercules couldnt take him down), I dont see Hercules ever in any kind of problem with Arkon.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5692/arkongl5.jpg
Hes getting beaten. On his own. All she did was to interrupt a figth for them to move on to the next move. You know this, if you have obviously read the book.Crystal even mentions how "i will help, because its what teameates do, even tho, you know Hercules is cleary owning his ass".
Of course Hercules would thank her. If you read that whole run, you would see Hercules flirting with her almost every issue. Its called being cordial with the ladies, nothing new to the character in question. Thats how he steals pootang under Logan`s nose 😎

I didn't argue that Herc was having loads of trouble with Arkon or that he couldn't beat Arkon in a fight.. I was arguing that he couldn't put Arkon down to a KO, with help, and cheapshots. And that's exactly what took place so it can't even be argued from your end. Nice strawman though, you must loooooovvvve Wizard of Oz.

Originally posted by olympian
In contrast, Hulk didnt just showed up in the *end* while Logan was dominating against Wendigo. He was there the whole duration of the figth, punching the guy as much as Logan was attacking the same opponent. In fact, Logan was the one show who showed up when the other two wer already punching each other for something like four pages.

Originally posted by olympian
Once more, you show your inability to compare showings. It must be cronical. And you know what they say about cronical: better contact your doctor ASAP.
Loved that temple trashing feat, btw.

Originally posted by olympian
Than who? Ben?

He doesnt. He only got that off panel "win" against Abomination, and all the suggestion there is, is that it was the whole X-Men team that took him down.

Originally posted by olympian
Tells the pottle to the kettle.

While i feel tempted to rall on shiat like the Handbooks to make that point moot, No. It is because i can read showings and you cant. At least unless the character in question is Wolverine, wich in that case you will go on "how he gets stronger".

Wich is assasine in a debate.

Ugghhhh it's POT to the kettle.. and no.. I'm not dictating that I have a better understanding for the characters and their intention than Marvel does as you certainly are. Insisting that Colossus isn't a class 100. We've got Omega sentinals that are stated to be around 100 tons and Colossus is tossing them, you discarded that since you seemed to think that they didn't actually mean 100 tons.. as long as it serves your argument, thus I bring in handbooks to show you something more official...

Oh you can read showings better than me huh?
"Herc KOed Arkon"
"Wendigo did good"
"All that happened was Herc tossed him around"

Yeah.. you keep telling yourself that "kid".

And no Wolverine getting stronger during a berserker rage is not asinine.. (again that's "asinine" not assinine.. Once more, if you're going to attempt to insult me try not to look like an idiot while doing so).... it's crucial to the CONTEXT of the storyline. And context means everything in these types of arguments about feats and fights.

Originally posted by olympian
Yes. Watch:
So you concead he was tossed around? You didnt, before. Yes, from Herc`s part, he tossed the runt around. Wich was what you asked me about. "What did Hercules do"?
He tossed him around.

Originally posted by olympian
uh, huh. "Better" than the other two showings. Wich is fact. On any board.

Originally posted by olympian
Odd. You wer the one who brougth this showing up and i didnt said he knocked him. It couldnt even be his porpuse even, since the Avengers needed Arkon to tell him what happened to the place where they met.

As for the help, i already took care of that up there.

Keep moon walking right out of the thread.

Originally posted by olympian
Can you explain how a bone claw who isent backed up by Adamantium didnt just broke against Immortal Hercules? Low Showing? Popularity issue? Stupidity?

Because Wolverine's bones are denser than any humans which is something he's stated many many times before.
Herc isn't the only brick Wolverine's cut or hurt with bone claws... Hulk included.

Originally posted by olympian
You keep saying how he beat bricks on Herc`s level and all i can see are minor examples. Its such a deja vu again.

"minor examples" like Namor, Hulk, and Hercules himself.... 😂

You're right though, me having to continuously point out you errors and correct you is very much like deja vu.

I love how you continuously ignore this:

"Your argument falls face first on the very premise it's built upon.

Any Wendigo that fight Hulk might beat Herc but any Wendigo that goes down to Wolverine or Sabes certainly can't take Herc?
Uh-huh... Except that Herc has lost to Wolverine, Hulk as lost to Wolverine, and a guy with enhanced reflexes and fighting ability who stalemated Herc in strength lost to Sabretooth. Or that the Wendigo that this thread has specified WAS losing to Wolverine before Hulk jumped in to help finish Wendigo off. Hulk accredits that Wolverine did in one hit what Hulk himself failed to do. Or the fact that just losing to Snowbird doesn't mean anything for host 2 compared to host 1 since Cortier never fought Snowbird, hence never beat her, hence giving no proof one way or th other that he would fair any better than the second host did........."

Originally posted by jinzin
You know that's not the only comparative example between the two right?

Overall, hes got less examples than Ben.

Originally posted by jinzin
Insisting that Colossus isn't a class 100.

He isent cl 100. And if you go preaching that on any other board, it only gets you to one place: mocking heaven.

CL100 never translated into just 100 tons. Especially when all the major bricks have lifted or towed things far heavier than that. So if you want to count Colossus in the "top tier" group, he is in the lowest bracet. Like the basement.

Originally posted by jinzin
We've got Omega sentinals that are stated to be around 100 tons and Colossus is tossing them, you discarded that since you seemed to think that they didn't actually mean 100 tons.. as long as it serves your argument, thus I bring in handbooks to show you something more official...

If tossing 100 tons alone is enough to be top tier, then Ben Grimm is top tier. Rigth?

Originally posted by jinzin
Oh you can read showings better than me huh?

That isent really hard.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Herc KOed Arkon"

Knocked around. And he did. He was the one falling to the floor 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
"Wendigo did good"

In comparation with how he fared against Logan and Snowbird alone? Hell yes. A thousand times yes.

Originally posted by jinzin
it's crucial to the CONTEXT of the storyline. And context means everything in these types of arguments about feats and fights.

Do that to Wendigo then, you overbearing idiot.

Originally posted by jinzin
You're statement was that Wolverine got tossed around with heavy implications that that's all that took place..

How can that be when i said that logan brougth him down with the table in the end?

CONTEXT of the story: Who was annoyed? Herc. Who slapped the other guy across the room? Herc. Who trapped the other guy afterwards and mocked him more? Herc.

He sure looked the worst of the two!

Even any exagerattion i may had on my part is more accurate than yours. Thats how shitty your face is.

Originally posted by jinzin
You DEFINITELY implied it "ORLY"..... 😐

Of course i did. You told me Herc couldnt beat him down without Crystal to assist him, while all she did was to create an earthquake in the end to interrupt a figth. While stating Hercules wasent having any trouble in his own. While all Hulk did was already figthing someone when Logan stepped in and assist him during the rest of the same.

"only".

Post both complete figths and come again to say who needed help to down the opponent, because it is cleary the same. For idiots mayhaps.

Originally posted by jinzin
Because Wolverine's bones are denser than any humans which is something he's stated many many times before.
Herc isn't the only brick Wolverine's cut or hurt with bone claws... Hulk included.

My Gawd, more dense than "humans"? Awesome.

So, its a low showing coupled with popularity?

Ok.

Originally posted by jinzin
Pffffttt right 🙄

"minor examples" like Namor, Hulk, and Hercules himself.... 😂

Im sure the majority of his encounters with all those wer wins.

Like that "Hulk lost" list you provided. Biggest piece of crap i have seen recently on a board. Would you even provided the whole set of complete scans for me to see those wonderful wins?

I may bring them to other boards so i can get a laugthing riot.

Originally posted by jinzin
Any Wendigo that fight Hulk might beat Herc but any Wendigo that goes down to Wolverine or Sabes certainly can't take Herc?

For a majority? No.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh-huh... Except that Herc has lost to Wolverine

In an off panel match where you could see nothing of of the direction the figth went.

Originally posted by jinzin
Hulk as lost to Wolverine

I keep waiting for those decisive wins hes got under his belt.

Originally posted by jinzin
and a guy with enhanced reflexes and fighting ability who stalemated Herc in strength lost to Sabretooth

Low showings are a strange conceot to you, arent they? If the case in question happened without any plot point at all.

I find it odd that you dont see a Wendigo performing poorly to Snowbird and Logan in comparation with other matches that usually sported a direct teamwork of heavy guns as something akin to a low showing. Except that in Wendigo`s case, we are aware that the host determines how dangerous Wendigo will be. So it may not be a case of a simple low showing. But even still its not on the level of others. That pegs that particular version down in direct comparation with some of the others.

Its exactly the concept of low showings that pegs Hercules and other bricks lower, because otherwise lower opponents in level wouldnt do much at all.

And yet to say they take a majority just because of the figthing chance that low showings provide, its something arguable at best.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.............there brown which is what your sources even showed..........

snow bird wolverine was huge............and actual wolverine looks small next to a wolf let a lone the wolverine snow bird turn into.........

The narration states it compares with an actual wolverine. Her color of choice doesnt matter.

Just go back to bed. Christ.

Originally posted by olympian
The narration states it compares with an actual wolverine. Her color of choice doesnt matter.

Just go back to bed. Christ.

It may look like an actual wolverine, but it clearlly not. It was not the same color, and it was far to large to be one.

sorry, but if are trying to act like it was some normal wolverine, when it clearly was not

The writer disagress with you.

Sorry if you are trying to make it look like something that isent there, but it doesnt surprise me given how idiotic your argument is.

I would also suggest you to stop being racist towards Snowbird. Its rude.

Originally posted by olympian
The writer disagress with you.

Originally posted by olympian
Sorry if you are trying to make it look like something that isent there, but it doesnt surprise me given how idiotic your argument is.

actaully it is there. Wolverines are not normally white.

Wolverines are not normally that big.

how is my arguement idiotic? Why becuases you dislike the fact your wrong in trying to argue that she turn into an average every day wolverine.

Originally posted by olympian
I would also suggest you to stop being racist towards Snowbird. Its rude.

...............................................shut up

Originally posted by olympian
The narration states it compares with an actual wolverine. Her color of choice doesnt matter.

Just go back to bed. Christ.

You really think that snowbird turned into a normal sized wolverine?

It is clear that it is way too big for a normal wolverine...way to big.

I dont know who will get the majority, i think its that close. i would tend to lean towards wendigo,

Jinzin....it seems you are handling things well in this thread 👆

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not really. She took the form of a wolverine it never said a normal wolverine

The narration goes to the point to compare Logan to an actual Wolverine and say hes less ferocious. Then the narration turns to Snowbird and refers to how she then transformed into the "real" deal.

The "real" deal compared to Wolverine who wasent the "real" deal.

And nothing at all suggesting its another kind of carcajou, other than the one who roams the same lands.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully it is there. Wolverines are not normally white.

Neither are monkeys, but if Snowbird wants to transform into a monkey it will be white. And the fact its white wont stop the monkey into being a monkey.

Its even in the damn name. SNOWbird. What is the color of snow? Its hum.......white?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverines are not normally that big.

"In appearance the wolverine resembles a small bear with a long tail"

Next you are going to try give me a rundown on how you can perceive on the paper if the carcajou in question is bigger or not.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
how is my arguement idiotic? Why becuases you dislike the fact your wrong in trying to argue that she turn into an average every day wolverine.

Give me factual proof and ill concead. Give me bullshit and i wont.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
..............................................shut up

I will when you stop being racist.

Originally posted by starlock
You really think that snowbird turned into a normal sized wolverine?

It is clear that it is way too big for a normal wolverine...way to big.

"In appearance the wolverine resembles a small bear with a long tail"

You people act like the adult carcajou is of the same size of a rabbit.

I also want to know how you can tell on paper if its bigger than what is above or not. Especially when the narration doesnt make a mention to it, wich it should if it was a different sort of carcajou.

Originally posted by olympian

Post both complete figths and come again to say who needed help to down the opponent, because it is cleary the same. For idiots mayhaps.

Id like to see them as well....then again maybe I wanna stay out of this too much stuff.

Originally posted by olympian
"In appearance the wolverine resembles a small bear with a long tail"

You people act like the adult carcajou is of the same size of a rabbit.

I also want to know how you can tell on paper if its bigger than what is above or not. Especially when the narration doesnt make a mention to it, wich it should if it was a different sort of carcajou.

My friend has a cat that resembles a lepard, there is still a huuuuuge size difference

Ive seen wolverines, i also watched many wilderness shows, the wolverine that snowbird turned into was way to big, i can tell by how big it/she is compared to wendigo...

I am not arguing if a small or large wolverine can take wendigo, as far as i am concerned it dont matter, it was snowbird thats all.

Originally posted by olympian
Overall, hes got less examples than Ben.

He certainly lasted longer than Ben against WWH.

Originally posted by olympian
He isent cl 100. And if you go preaching that on any other board, it only gets you to one place: mocking heaven.

Originally posted by olympian
CL100 never translated into just 100 tons. Especially when all the major bricks have lifted or towed things far heavier than that. So if you want to count Colossus in the "top tier" group, he is in the lowest bracet. Like the basement.

Originally posted by olympian
If tossing 100 tons alone is enough to be top tier, then Ben Grimm is top tier. Rigth?

Originally posted by olympian
That isent really hard.

"Colossus is able to lift more than 100 tons"

You retort: "He can't lift 100 tons".. pffft.

Originally posted by olympian
Knocked around. And he did. He was the one falling to the floor 🙂

Let's go back to COMPREHENSION again.. the argument was that Herc failed to knock him out with cheap shots and help.. you're response? "ORLY" with another inaccurate misrepresentation of the end of the encounter.
Man, you're so good at backtracking, doing that Michael Jackson moonwalk. 😱

Originally posted by olympian
In comparation with how he fared against Logan and Snowbird alone? Hell yes. A thousand times yes.

And a thousand times... Snowbird is a logical fallacy.. not thatyou care much about logic.

Originally posted by olympian
Do that to Wendigo then, you overbearing idiot.

Originally posted by olympian
How can that be when i said that logan brougth him down with the table in the end?

Originally posted by olympian
CONTEXT of the story: Who was annoyed? Herc. Who slapped the other guy across the room? Herc. Who trapped the other guy afterwards and mocked him more? Herc.
He sure looked the worst of the two!
Even any exagerattion i may had on my part is more accurate than yours. Thats how shitty your face is.

How shitty my face is huh? Remember when we went over how insults aren't as effective when they don't make any sense?

I'm not sure how Wolverine looked the worse of the two.. Let's see.. was he at any point cowering away from Herc scared of his offensive abilities? Nope....
Was he grabbing foreign objects in order to shield himself from Hercs attacks? nu-uh...
Wait I know! 😱 Was it that he ended the fight on the floor rubbing his head?
Nah.. that can't be it either.. those were all things that Herc did...

Lol, but when you're getting mocked you look sooo much worse... I guess Deadpool really handled Juggernaught right? Or Daken?
I mean he was mocking away so he must have won.. the same way Spiderman wins all his fights when he mocks Venom..

Originally posted by olympian
Of course i did. You told me Herc couldnt beat him down without Crystal to assist him, while all she did was to create an earthquake in the end to interrupt a figth. While stating Hercules wasent having any trouble in his own. While all Hulk did was already figthing someone when Logan stepped in and assist him during the rest of the same.

At no point did I say that Herc couldn't or didn't beat him, the point was that it took him longer, more hits, and he failed to knock Arkon out using every advantage possible when Colossus did it in two hits.
The difference between us here is that I'm not setting up the case that Herc couldn't take Arkon down without help as that WOULD be asinine.. Just that he didn't KO him with it and the time/factors provided You on the other hand seem to think Logan needed Hulk to take Wendigo down

Originally posted by olympian
"only".

Originally posted by olympian
O`really?:

Originally posted by olympian
Post both complete figths and come again to say who needed help to down the opponent, because it is cleary the same. For idiots mayhaps.

Originally posted by olympian
My Gawd, more dense than "humans"? Awesome.

Originally posted by olympian
So, its a low showing coupled with popularity?
Ok.

Originally posted by olympian
Im sure the majority of his encounters with all those wer wins.

Originally posted by olympian
Like that "Hulk lost" list you provided. Biggest piece of crap i have seen recently on a board. Would you even provided the whole set of complete scans for me to see those wonderful wins?

Originally posted by olympian
I may bring them to other boards so i can get a laugthing riot.

Just how long has Colossus ever lasted in a fight against Juggernaut when it was just the two of them?

Originally posted by olympian
For a majority? No.

Originally posted by olympian
In an off panel match where you could see nothing of of the direction the figth went.

you keep telling yourself that.

Originally posted by olympian
I keep waiting for those decisive wins hes got under his belt.

Originally posted by olympian
Low showings are a strange conceot to you, arent they? If the case in question happened without any plot point at all.

Originally posted by olympian
I find it odd that you dont see a Wendigo performing poorly to Snowbird and Logan in comparation with other matches that usually sported a direct teamwork of heavy guns as something akin to a low showing. Except that in Wendigo`s case, we are aware that the host determines how dangerous Wendigo will be. So it may not be a case of a simple low showing. But even still its not on the level of others. That pegs that particular version down in direct comparation with some of the others.

Mauvais' blades,
Wolverine,
Sabretooth,
Snowbird,
Werewolf by Night... He simply has a bad durability vs. evisceration. And that included the Wendigo that fought Hulk indefinitely.. So your argument really.. well... it's bad..

Originally posted by olympian
Its exactly the concept of low showings that pegs Hercules and other bricks lower, because otherwise lower opponents in level wouldnt do much at all.

And yet to say they take a majority just because of the figthing chance that low showings provide, its something arguable at best.

Wolverine's a character who can take more damage from Herc than the otherway around specifically because of what he brings to the table it has nothing to do with low showings.
Lol @ you thinking over 100 fights against bricks is a low showing every time.

Originally posted by starlock
You really think that snowbird turned into a normal sized wolverine?

It is clear that it is way too big for a normal wolverine...way to big.

I dont know who will get the majority, i think its that close. i would tend to lean towards wendigo,

Jinzin....it seems you are handling things well in this thread 👆