Hercules vs Wendigo

Started by -K-M-8 pages
Originally posted by leonidas
sasquatch has been shown to do better than that in the past. perhaps he was written poorly, but that sas did NOT do well. if banner hulk could do what he did, there's no way around it accept to say he was written poorly or he simply was not shown at max in that battle. 😬

Hulk at that time was still in the stages between Professor and Savage, so it wasn't like it wasn't like he was completly weaker especially since he was slipping during the fight. Meh! Sasquatch was holding Wendigo so Banner could escape, but then Wendigo countered it.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh. true enough, but he was certainly the most effective and suffered no ill-effects from that VERY long battle.

All that tells me is that he's got enough stamina to keep Hulk occupied because well that's all I remember him doing. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think their IS a herc respect thread . . . 🙁 i've posted them in various threads but i have no idea where. oly has done the same. maybe he'll remember where. 😬
hmmm Maybe I have those issues on hand here at college... I doubt it though.. I'll mill about and see if I can hunt any of them down. If not, I guess I'll have to wait till after finals. 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
your perogative of course. but when hulk was doing damage in that fight it was while banner was in control though and yeah, that saquatch was NOT impressive at all. 😬
Doing damage? He knocked Wendigo down.. Which isn't outside anyone's capability to do at that level, but he didn't have Wendigo at his mercy at any point in that fight and the only time he actually began to assert an advantage Wendigo got pissed and was all over him clawing away.
Also....
That sasquatch lifted a one hundred fifty ton airliner with a lateral arm raise.. That's ridiculously impressive for a "75 tonner". 😕

Originally posted by leonidas
sasquatch has been shown to do better than that in the past. perhaps he was written poorly, but that sas did NOT do well. if banner hulk could do what he did, there's no way around it accept to say he was written poorly or he simply was not shown at max in that battle. 😬
He didn't DO anything... He attacked Wendi from behind. He started landing consecutive blows but they didn't put Wendigo down and didn't even come close for that matter.

Originally posted by jinzin
Also....
That sasquatch lifted a one hundred fifty ton airliner with a lateral arm raise.. That's ridiculously impressive for a "75 tonner". 😕

250 tons actually 😉

Originally posted by -K-M-
250 tons actually 😉
Aye, I was giving him a low end benefit of the doubt.

he lifted an airliner in that issue? 😕 maybe. i'm going by memory here. regardless, he fared far less well than banner hulk did. if you're trying to tell me wendigo is>cl250 . . . well . . . 😕

i've been trying to find a guy that best matches wendigo that herc has defeated. not all that easy to find that style of guy. the minotaur comes to mind. abomination has claws and has done at least as wellon occasion against hulk as wendigo has and herc has one-shotted him. he's also destroyed cerberus, the hell guardian, another huge, savage type.

this lesser known fellow's name is sloth. he was one of proctor's gatherers.

http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth1uw5.jpg

in his first appearance he briefly engaged thor, herc and lockjaw. he somehow or other eliminated thor and beat lockjaw (never really shown or explained) and smashed herc through the majority of a mountain when his back was turned. herc fought free of the mountain and this was the last we saw of sloth until the last page when he left with his team:

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth2vq3.jpg

they meet again here when herc has to save thor who is being overwhelmed by sloth. note the slash as thor battles. the claws are real . . .

http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth3di0.jpg

herc intervenes in that scene and with a single shot takes sloth out for the rest of the issue until again the last page. in their final confrontation, herc has about had enough of sloth:

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth4cq0.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth5xe8.jpg

at no point in any confrontation was herc ever in danger for being gutted, or slashed to death or . . . anything else you insist wendigo is able to do to him. 😬

it feels as though you keep demanding proof that herc can somehow survive wendigo's onslaught, yet i have NEVER seen a battle where a savage opponent of the nature of wendigo has been able to to do . . . anything REMOTELY close to what you are saying will happen in this battle. herc has made a living fighting 'monsters' for quite literally thousands of years. yet somehow you assume the wendigo will be different from all these others? 😕

i could go on about the people herc has defeated but i'm not really sure it's gonna change your mind. basically you think herc can't withstand or avoid the claws for some reason when really there is zero evidence to suggest he's ever been put down by something like that -- and like i said, he's fought many MANY monster-types in the past. the crusader v thor isn't really a great example. crusader's power was . . . odd and thor was very . . . 'depressed' (??) when he battled him. the blow did put thor down, but he was already doubting himself and READY to be put down. 😬 i and a magic blade>wendigo's claws. herc's withstood multiple shots from thor's hammer, withstood blasts from firelord, frankie ray and the universal weapon and single-handedly destroyed the wrecking crew, going so far as to destroy thunderball's wrecking ball. even loaded it took goliath and a bunch of others working together to ko a DRUNK hercules. his endurance and skill are enormously underrated by most. in a possible future (my favourite herc incarnation, btw) he's defeated the wielder of the negabands AND ko'd friggin' zeus! his endurance and skill are generally speaking extremely underrated. and i really cannot come up with a SINGLE instance in my brain where herc was actually defeated in this kind of brawling-style battle.

anyway, there really isn't much more to say. you're welcome to your opinion of course, and i'll respectfully disagree with it. 😉

Half your examples really don't compare to Wendigo or come close.

When did Hercules defeat the Wrecking Crew himself? If your talking about Thor #418 [Vol.1], Thor helped him and he didn't even defeat the entire crew and those who he did hit were right back up shortly after 😬

Also I have seen Iron Fist KO a drunken Hercules with a single hit.

Originally posted by leonidas
he lifted an airliner in that issue? 😕 maybe. i'm going by memory here. regardless, he fared far less well than banner hulk did. if you're trying to tell me wendigo is>cl250 . . . well . . . 😕

i've been trying to find a guy that best matches wendigo that herc has defeated. not all that easy to find that style of guy. the minotaur comes to mind. abomination has claws and has done at least as wellon occasion against hulk as wendigo has and herc has one-shotted him. he's also destroyed cerberus, the hell guardian, another huge, savage type.


Abomination, I'm fairly certain, doesn't use claws or have them a large majority of the time. He relies almost entirely on brute strength for his fights against Hulk; his healing factor is also piss poor compared to the feats of Wendigo and I can't think of one decent example of speed he sports. He couldn't even keep pace with Marrow and Angel.

Minotaur.. Doesn't impress me when he's having trouble dealing with DD.

Don't know anything about Cerebrus so I can't argue about that one way or the other.

Originally posted by leonidas
this lesser known fellow's name is sloth. he was one of proctor's gatherers.
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth1uw5.jpg
in his first appearance he briefly engaged thor, herc and lockjaw. he somehow or other eliminated thor and beat lockjaw (never really shown or explained) and smashed herc through the majority of a mountain when his back was turned. herc fought free of the mountain and this was the last we saw of sloth until the last page when he left with his team:
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth2vq3.jpg
they meet again here when herc has to save thor who is being overwhelmed by sloth. note the slash as thor battles. the claws are real . . .
http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth3di0.jpg
herc intervenes in that scene and with a single shot takes sloth out for the rest of the issue until again the last page. in their final confrontation, herc has about had enough of sloth:
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth4cq0.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sloth5xe8.jpg
at no point in any confrontation was herc ever in danger for being gutted, or slashed to death or . . . anything else you insist wendigo is able to do to him. 😬
I'll admit I'm not keen on this Sloth either so my retort is based entirely on what you've shown me; that said...
At no point do I see this Sloth character land an offensive attack on Herc. Being able to beat up Masterson Thor is one thing, but I don't exactly equate that to being able to beat on regs Thor.
When we see the claw strike it's apparent that they're not doing any real damage; that right there is a bit of a contradiction to the comparison with Wendigo who can cut Hulk open.

But regardless of that, there's no point where Herc looks like he has to avoid being hit by the claws. Sure it's nice for him to ram through one character before he puts up a defense, but does that mean he's going to do that to Wendigo? Every showing of Wendigo I've seen dictates a heavy no on that one.

Originally posted by leonidas
it feels as though you keep demanding proof that herc can somehow survive wendigo's onslaught, yet i have NEVER seen a battle where a savage opponent of the nature of wendigo has been able to to do . . . anything REMOTELY close to what you are saying will happen in this battle. herc has made a living fighting 'monsters' for quite literally thousands of years. yet somehow you assume the wendigo will be different from all these others? 😕

Well first off, I don't know that I've been demanding ANYTHING friend. 🤨

Secondly, dude, Hulk's made a career of fighting and beating the crapola out of large monsters akin to the beasts that Herc and Thor have fought, and sometimes even the same creatures. Wendigo doesn't fall into the same category of fodder as those others as I've said before. His ability to force Hulk into teamwork on almost every occasion they've met is a testiment to that. Or so I should think. 😕

Originally posted by leonidas
i could go on about the people herc has defeated but i'm not really sure it's gonna change your mind. basically you think herc can't withstand or avoid the claws for some reason when really there is zero evidence to suggest he's ever been put down by something like that -- and like i said, he's fought many MANY monster-types in the past.

I stated that he COULD avoid the claws though. 😬
I simply don't feel like he could do so long enough to avoid every attempt before he'd be even able to bring Wendigo down. I think that Wendigo is simply more likely to land claw shots before running the chance/risk of getting KOed.

Originally posted by leonidas
the crusader v thor isn't really a great example. crusader's power was . . . odd and thor was very . . . 'depressed' (??) when he battled him. the blow did put thor down, but he was already doubting himself and READY to be put down. 😬 i and a magic blade>wendigo's claws.

I was only using that as an example of what evisceration can do to an immortal. And that was a response to Herc vs. Wolverine which is another matter entirely.

Originally posted by leonidas
herc's withstood multiple shots from thor's hammer, withstood blasts from firelord, frankie ray and the universal weapon and single-handedly destroyed the wrecking crew, going so far as to destroy thunderball's wrecking ball. even loaded it took goliath and a bunch of others working together to ko a DRUNK hercules. his endurance and skill are enormously underrated by most. in a possible future (my favourite herc incarnation, btw) he's defeated the wielder of the negabands AND ko'd friggin' zeus! his endurance and skill are generally speaking extremely underrated. and i really cannot come up with a SINGLE instance in my brain where herc was actually defeated in this kind of brawling-style battle.

Herc's durability isn't really being underrated here though. I'm fairly sure that everyone (at least me if not) has come to a reasonable conclusion that KOing Herc with brute strength alone would be a "Herculean" feat for Wendigo. But then again I'm not exactly arguing against his brute force and energy resistant durability alone. It's been clearly demonstrated that immortals on his level can be cut and that it effects their performance.

Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, there really isn't much more to say. you're welcome to your opinion of course, and i'll respectfully disagree with it. 😉
Fair enough friend...

Originally posted by olympian

In reality, it cant be anything else, when you sport an opinion that Logan would take the majority against a credible physical top tier like Hercules

Pleases stop with your nonsense’s. I can’t take it any more, your arguments completely lack evidences and are completely blinded by bias.

Yea Logan should loses to mortal Hercules even though Hercules holds only one real advantage. His strength that’s it and herc strength is less dangerous to Logan then Logan claws are to him.

Also Logan has beat characters like Namor, Tiger shark, Thing, Ba’al, Hercules him self amoung many other high level individuals.

Originally posted by olympian

or even perhaps take ties with Hulk, something he also never did.

……….yea he only KO hulk in hulk 340

………..Almost killed hulk in wolverine 145

………..In Hulk vs Wolverine issue 8 skrull wolverine beats hulk ( Skrull wolverine was killed by the real wolverine)

That’s just three off the top of my head

So shut up already.

Jinzin has been wtf pwning you through out the arguement.

One more sheep to the owning mass:

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Pleases stop with your nonsense’s. I can’t take it any more, your arguments completely lack evidences and are completely blinded by bias.

haha

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea Logan should loses to mortal Hercules even though Hercules holds only one real advantage. His strength that’s it and herc strength is less dangerous to Logan then Logan claws are to him..

Let me get this one straigth.

I AM the one with the bias, because i say IMMORTAL Hercules takes a majority over Wolverine, but YOU say, Logan should lose to MORTAL Hercules, who didnt have half of his power at the time he showed up?

What are you, a dimbo? Go play Pac Man or something.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
……….yea he only KO hulk in hulk 340………..Almost killed hulk in wolverine 145………..In Hulk vs Wolverine issue 8 skrull wolverine beats hulk ( Skrull wolverine was killed by the real wolverine)

That’s just three off the top of my head..

Wich is balloney. We all know those "wins" are and always have been overrated. At most he got one win over Gray, before he got up and came back again.

I even bet one of those is the infamious Larsen issue where Logan spends the whole time running and pissing on his pants. The last time soneone brough that up around here and started praying it as a "win", he got owned so hard when i did a page play by replay, that you didnt heard of that poster for awhile.

Say, was that you?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Jinzin has been wtf pwning you through out the arguement...

You two cant even do a simple showing by showing comparation.

Pac Man. Pac Man.

Originally posted by -K-M-
When did Hercules defeat the Wrecking Crew himself

Two times in the 90`s.

Originally posted by -K-M-
If your talking about Thor #418 [Vol.1], Thor helped him and he didn't even defeat the entire crew and those who he did hit were right back up shortly after 😬

Hercules fougth the Wrecking Crew two more times, in his second long sting in the Avengers, under Harras and Epting.

He beat them alone.

And that time where Thor was pretending to be the victim so Hercules could regain confidence? Is a win.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Also I have seen Iron Fist KO a drunken Hercules with a single hit.

Wich was Hercules in his depowered mortal status of the time. No higter than Ben, if that much.

And iirc, he got up afterwards not long after.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No not at all, especially how it takes Hulk + to beat Wendigo 😬

Definetly not the case, I know Wendigo's track record and I know what he has done and I know people stronger and more powerful then Hercules have failed against different hosts before. So with your logic, Hercules wins practically everytime with skill, even though that never helped him with the Hulk 😬

I dont know if you know, but the figths where Hercules had the most advantages over Hulk, are exactly the ones where he wasent depowered and used his grappling skill.

Not to say he would win, maybe. But he certainly does better. And hes got something like two figths like those.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm sure that was an attempted insult at my intelligence, but those don't work when they don't make sense. 😉

Herc was cracking jokes until Wolverine unleashed his claws. Then? "Zounds!" Sure herc started laughin it up when Logan got his claws stuck in the table.. You know which one, the one that Herc was using to hide behind. But after he got floored he was done crackin jokes again wasn't he?

He wasent?

http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herc5kt.jpg

http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00068yl.jpg

He sure always seemed to be in a good mood to me. The only one pissed until the end was Logan. If you count Logan tripping Hercules down as "almost beating him" as you said in your posts before, then im waiting for you to count the two or three times, that Hercules slapped Logan down as "wins" as well.

Im waiting, boi. Its your logic!

Originally posted by jinzin
[B HORRID misrepresentation of the points being made here. You thought all that happened in both other encounters was Wolverine getting "tossed around" which is clearly another misrepresentation, when on one of those occasions he got floored and on BOTH of those occasions he was scared of Wolverine's claws.[/B]

Consider what is in caps. Now, lets see the only thing Logan did, in the whole figth. Even with the claws:

http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herc28fc.jpg

And that was in the end. As far as i know, the comic while not long by any means didnt had just this page.

So, what happened in the others? Logan being tossed around. Sorry to say, but my interpretation is certainly more accurate than your`s "he almost beat him" interpretation.

Originally posted by jinzin
[BThe important point? He's afraid of those claws for a reason, when he doesn't have a table or Cap's shield to hide behind what would happen? Given the two pages we see of the Hulk/Wolverine fight in CoC2 the answer is quite obvious.[/B]

He certainly wont chop the livers off on someone of this level. Especially a fellow hero. He has been doing it since...never. If your point is that everyone in the Marvel Universe is aware of how dangerous the claws are and that gives you a boner, its one thing. Claiming he can chop people like Hercules "into meat pieces" as you claimed, its another. Its not happening. Not to a guy who is Immortal and who also sports a healing factor and high durability.

In the end, why did he dodged? The same reason why Logan usually dodges the Hulk`s punches. They may not kill him, but they will hurt and take down some advantage, that he would have otherwise. Its all fair game, so i dont know what you are complaing about.

Hum. Maybe because thats the only way you can claim any "win".

Originally posted by jinzin
[BIn a h2h... How about it indeed, since we've seen the result of that kind of fight. Herc on the floor unconscious.[/B]

Can you show me the action. Can you show me when Logan took Hercules out, and especifically at H2H? My copy doesnt have any 🙁 maybe someone ripped off the pages?

Bastard. I bet it was you.

Originally posted by jinzin
[BClearly; issues concerning gravity, retrofires, geosynchronous orbits, satellite periods, AU, perigees, and apogees aren't a part of this particular discussion concerning your inability to accept that Logan downs Hulk level Wendigo's and Herc level threats... yeah I'm IN a rocket science class btw... 😐[/B]

That was hiLArious!

Originally posted by jinzin
[BNow if we're to look at you're level of intelligence you think/stated that THIS was Wendigo "doing good" here:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-05.jpg
Yup. He's doin a hell of a job ain't he? 🙄[/B]

Certainly better than losing to Logan alone in less than two pages. Or even worse, a Wolverine shaped Snowbird. Especially since thats the last page of a WHOLE comic where he figths Logan AND the Hulk.

Oh sorry, you werent expecting such an obvious comeback. I am really sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry!

Originally posted by jinzin
[BAnd at the time Colossus was top tier enough to be standing toe to toe with Juggernaught, and Gladiator so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.[/B]

Colossus being a top tier is a running gag over the comic book fandom. You cant possibly be for real.

He went toe to toe with a Gladiator who wasent written as top tier material at the time. That only started when Byrne took him to the F4 title and beat on the "Thing" with one hit, and Ben at the time wasent certainly written as anything less than Colossus on his title.

Against Juggernaut? Despite his acrobatic skills, how many actual figths did he had by standing toe to toe and head on? We all know that when he went head on in the infamious "bar scene", he went down in a couple of panels. And it wasent because of the heavy drinks.

Enough of arguing this with you. What a waste of time. Christ.

When someone praises for the "Church of CL100 Colossus" of all things to make Wolverine look good, you know you reached a limit.

Ah and KM. Again:

Originally posted by jinzin
[B*Shrugs* She is powered by the same mystical energies as the Wendigo, for all we know that could have played a factor. She also can become Wendigo, but that's neither here nor there[/B]

She turned. Into. an actual. "Wolverine" (the animal for those who dont follow). And. Took. The. Guy. Down. Alone.

You can assume some amazing outside mistical energy was into play, but the scene doesnt make any mention to it, other than the one she used to transform. And the other time she faced Wendigo, was by turning into the Wendigo herself.

So maybe, just MAYBE, there is a difference of showings here.

*shrugs*

Damn. I brought down the house.

Shows us more of your rocket science, Jin!

Originally posted by jinzin

hmmm Maybe I have those issues on hand here at college... I doubt it though.. I'll mill about and see if I can hunt any of them down. If not, I guess I'll have to wait till after finals. 🙁

Which college do you attend?

Originally posted by olympian
One more sheep to the owning mass:

Pleases the day you own me.

Originally posted by olympian
Let me get this one straigth.

I AM the one with the bias, because i say IMMORTAL Hercules takes a majority over Wolverine, but YOU say, Logan should lose to MORTAL Hercules, who didnt have half of his power at the time he showed up?

What are you, a dimbo? Go play Pac Man or something.


I was being sarcastic which I thought I made pretty clear, but clearly you miss it.

Also I think immortal Herc loses to wolverine however immortal is another question all to gather.

Originally posted by olympian
Wich is balloney. We all know those "wins" are and always have been overrated.

How are they overrated?
Originally posted by olympian

At most he got one win over Gray, before he got up and came back again.

Yea and? How does that take away from him winning? Koing some is a win and that’s what he did………..

Logan has on win over grey hulk. No loses and a shit load of ties.

Originally posted by olympian
I even bet one of those is the infamious Larsen issue where Logan spends the whole time running and pissing on his pants.

By wetting his pants you mean stabbing him in the groin, eye and dropping a bridge on him then yes…………and that a skrull wolverine not even the real deal.

Originally posted by olympian
The last time soneone brough that up around here and started praying it as a "win", he got owned so hard when i did a page play by replay, that you didnt heard of that poster for awhile.

Say, was that you?

Good for you, completely pointless comment and a red herring……….

And I doubt it true.

Originally posted by olympian
You two cant even do a simple showing by showing comparation.

Pac Man. Pac Man.


………….yes the man who go complete pwned repeatedly by jinzin not a by or two back.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Pleases the day you own me.

If i will be pleased?

Something tells me i have already been. Its such a deja vu.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also I think immortal Herc loses to wolverine however immortal is another question all to gather.

The Mortal version will surely lack the durability. But since you agree with me that the immortal version is another matter altogether, why are you even arguing at all?

Are you a living inconsistancy anomaly?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
How are they overrated?

Ive been on this dance before. Twice. Everytime someone shows me the "two or three wins over Hulk" from Wolverine, i keep asking myself "where?" And with me, the majority of the board. Any board.

Logan does well against Hulk. Hell, for someone his size and level, he does extremely well. But there is no need to exageratte and say hes got 3 wins, when he doesnt.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea and? How does that take away from him winning? Koing some is a win and that’s what he did………..

Wasent that what i said? He won one round.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
By wetting his pants you mean stabbing him in the groin, eye and dropping a bridge on him then yes…………and that a skrull wolverine not even the real deal.

Then why do you even coun it?

That "win" wich isent a win, counts for the Skrull Wolverine then.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Good for you, completely pointless comment and a red herringAnd I doubt it true.

Deja Vu

Originally posted by Battlehammer
………….yes the man who go complete pwned repeatedly by jinzin not a by or two back.

Someone who exagerattes good apearances into wins where arent any and doesnt know how to compare different showings, shouldnt try to act macho. This is basic 101 comic debating, boi.

Have you played your Pac Man, yet? You better go play it, or some other kid will!

Originally posted by olympian
He wasent?
http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herc5kt.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=max00068yl.jpg
He sure always seemed to be in a good mood to me. The only one pissed until the end was Logan. If you count Logan tripping Hercules down as "almost beating him" as you said in your posts before, then im waiting for you to count the two or three times, that Hercules slapped Logan down as "wins" as well.
Im waiting, boi. Its your logic!

Care to quote me on that?
I've stated repeatedly that it's not a good representation of either character. The only reason I even started getting into it is because you seem to think it's a feat indicative of how a fight between them would go. I've never tried to use that as evidence that Logan "almost beat him", just that Logan didn't get owned so I have no idea from what depths of defensive Hercules fanboyism you got that from.

Likewise I don't know where you're getting this "tripped" stuff from either. All Wolverine did was bash the table over Herc's head and knock his ass to the floor... there was no "tripping" involved.

Originally posted by olympian
Consider what is in caps. Now, lets see the only thing Logan did, in the whole figth. Even with the claws:
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=herc28fc.jpg
And that was in the end. As far as i know, the comic while not long by any means didnt had just this page.
So, what happened in the others? Logan being tossed around. Sorry to say, but my interpretation is certainly more accurate than your`s "he almost beat him" interpretation.

Lol, you tried to represent the fight as Logan getting tossed around, as if that was the end all be all feat of the fight.. Funny that, since the RESULT of Herc scared of Logan's claws and on his ass.
Sure doesn't look just like "logan getting tossed around to me"... Which is what you stated and continue to state happened.
Your interpretation of the comics is about as accurate as your interpretation of my arguments... 😂

Originally posted by olympian
He certainly wont chop the livers off on someone of this level. Especially a fellow hero. He has been doing it since...never. If your point is that everyone in the Marvel Universe is aware of how dangerous the claws are and that gives you a boner, its one thing. Claiming he can chop people like Hercules "into meat pieces" as you claimed, its another. Its not happening. Not to a guy who is Immortal and who also sports a healing factor and high durability.
In the end, why did he dodged? The same reason why Logan usually dodges the Hulk`s punches. They may not kill him, but they will hurt and take down some advantage, that he would have otherwise. Its all fair game, so i dont know what you are complaing about.
Hum. Maybe because thats the only way you can claim any "win".

Hardly. I only used the meat cubes reference as a point of exaggeration to the fact that Wolverine could and would put a hurting on Herc with claws.

Thor and Roughouse are both characters who are immortal with high end durability.. Both go down to stabbing and evisceration. Herc would go down to stabbing and evisceration.

Originally posted by olympian
Can you show me the action. Can you show me when Logan took Hercules out, and especifically at H2H? My copy doesnt have any 🙁 maybe someone ripped off the pages?

Bastard. I bet it was you.

Hey, you want to keep using your bias to ignore what happened, or pretend that something else took place, be my guest.

Originally posted by olympian
That was hiLArious!

What? The fact that your petty attempts at insulting me keep back-firing in your face? Yes, I find that humorous as well.

Originally posted by olympian
Certainly better than losing to Logan alone in less than two pages. Or even worse, a Wolverine shaped Snowbird. Especially since thats the last page of a WHOLE comic where he figths Logan AND the Hulk.
Oh sorry, you werent expecting such an obvious comeback. I am really sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry!

What's better about it?
Look maybe you missed out because you were looking at the pretty pictures, and you've already admitted to having reading comprehension problems but when Wendigo went down to Logan in Uncanny he went down to Wolverine caught up in a berserker rage.. "days of non-stop fighting" compacted into a few short minutes...
Wendigo staggering back and weakening against a lax Wolverine who was talking trash is in no way shape or form... better... 🤨
Snowbird. She has a mystical power source. Maybe you missed this part too cause.. well I know it's in printed word and that's hard for you to latch onto not being a colored picture an' all but everyone else attacking Wendigo with generic weapons was doing a piss poor job because the curse was nullifying their effects.. The curse offered no such protection from Snowbird as a natural creature.

And the last page of the "WHOLE comic" where Wolverine and Hulk fight Wendigo end with Wendigo running away while Hulk consoles Wendi's lonely, human sister.
C'mon, if you're going to pretend you've read the comics at least do your research.

If you're talking about that being the last page of the fight that Wendigo was a part of for that comic.. It was a fight that lasted 10 pages. Wendigo was in four of them, and out of those four entire pages he only wasn't getting owned in ONE of them.. that is by NO MEANS "doing good" nor "better".

You're right though, I should know better than to even have expectations when it comes to you and your replies. 😬

Originally posted by olympian
Colossus being a top tier is a running gag over the comic book fandom. You cant possibly be for real.
He went toe to toe with a Gladiator who wasent written as top tier material at the time. That only started when Byrne took him to the F4 title and beat on the "Thing" with one hit, and Ben at the time wasent certainly written as anything less than Colossus on his title.
Against Juggernaut? Despite his acrobatic skills, how many actual figths did he had by standing toe to toe and head on? We all know that when he went head on in the infamious "bar scene", he went down in a couple of panels. And it wasent because of the heavy drinks.
Enough of arguing this with you. What a waste of time. Christ.
When someone praises for the "Church of CL100 Colossus" of all things to make Wolverine look good, you know you reached a limit.
Ah and KM. Again:
Again look at his feats at the time. Gladiator was CLEARLY an attempt at making a top tier character even then.
Colossus also took down Arkon in a few blows. Something Hercules failed to do with help.. and cheap shots.
And he was tossing around 100 ton sentinals like sandbags..
If you think 100 tons is beyond Colossus' capability to lift then you're way too far beyond help.

Originally posted by olympian
Damn. I brought down the house.

Shows us more of your rocket science, Jin!

😂 I love self congratulatory backpatting..
It's like watching someone throw a party where they're the only person who shows up...

And by the way what you said to Hammer... He's right, and you're wrong..

Originally posted by olympian
or even perhaps take ties with Hulk, something he also never did.

This is so completely ignorant I don't even know where to begin...

Well aside from the fact that Wolverine stood up to more punishment than Herc did from WWH before he got grounded and kept getting up anyway .... Almost all of his fights with Hulk have been stalemates. 😐

Their first fight was amassive stalemate, neither having an advantage until they both got gassed.
Their second fight was going the same way even after Hulk started the fight with a cheap blow only until Hulk landed yet another cheap shot while Wolverine's back was turned to end it. Even then What If calls to question what may have happened had Wolverine ignored his orders completely and gone in for the kill.

Hulk 340, Wolverine got a KO in his first intentional attack.
When round two resumed, it ended in yet another stalemate.

His third fight with Grey Hulk was yet another stalemate as both characters poured over a waterfall neither with an advantage.

His fourth against a Hulk who was hitting harder than green Hulk ended with him on Hulk's back, trying to hold back as not to hurt Hulk, neither with an advantage when Hulk was in his right mind again; stalemate.

Logan attacked professor Hulk briefly causing him to reel back but the fight didn't escalate.. stalemate.

Bone claw Wolverine held his own against Hulk in the savage land indefinitely until he literally stopped fighting to try and talk sense into Hulk.. till then? Stalemate.

On another occasion when bone clawed Wolverine and Wendigo attacked Hulk, they knocked him the fuc* out.

When Skrullverine went rounds with Hulk he almost beat/killed him until Tyrannus unleashed all of Hulks rage in one blow to free himself from drowning.. Without help he might not have made it. And then skrullverine ended up winning anyways.

Death Wolverine almost killed Hulk.

Wolverine stalemated Savage Hulk until their fight was interrupted by X-factor and the government.

Wolverine fought Hulk until they both got caught up in an avalanche, Hulk got KOed and Wolverine didn't.

And finally Wolverine was able to fight Hulk indefinitely in Nightmare's realm.

But yeah, I guess those are all versions of Hulk who pale in comparison to.... other versions of Hulk... 😕

Or at least that's what your Wolvie/Wendi logic would have us believe. 😬

Originally posted by olympian
Someone who exagerattes good apearances into wins where arent any

😬
Originally posted by olympian
A) a Wendigo that figths both Hulk and Wolverine at the same time and is doing GOOD

Wendigo fighting Wolverine and Hulk at the same time and "doing good"

Originally posted by olympian
and doesnt know how to compare different showings,

😐
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Originally posted by olympian
The Wendigo that held up to the Hulk would do good.

The one that failed against Saber and Logan, likely wouldnt. Ah, who are we kidding? It wouldnt.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't Herc. fail against Logan?
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Originally posted by olympian
shouldnt try to act macho.
Originally posted by olympian
Implied nothing, kid.

🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
Care to quote me on that?
I've stated repeatedly that it's not a good representation of either character. The only reason I even started getting into it is because you seem to think it's a feat indicative of how a fight between them would go. I've never tried to use that as evidence that Logan "almost beat him", just that Logan didn't get owned so I have no idea from what depths of defensive Hercules fanboyism you got that from.

Jin, your memory is deceveing you. Snoop brough it "hasent he been beaten", and i said, "only if you count the off panel win". Then you brougth this one up, because it was an on panel example on how he "almost beat him", according to none other than you.

So do me a favour and stop whinning. Anyone can read the thread for themselves to see how here you are trowing the sand in everyone`s eyes.

The ones who can read, at least.

Originally posted by jinzin
Likewise I don't know where you're getting this "tripped" stuff from either. All Wolverine did was bash the table over Herc's head and knock his ass to the floor... there was no "tripping" involved.

That doesnt change the nature of my question. Whatever may you describe it, he took Hercules down once, while Hercules took him down more than once.

So, did he "almost beat him"?

Originally posted by jinzin
Lol, you tried to represent the fight as Logan getting tossed around, as if that was the end all be all feat of the fight.. Funny that, since the RESULT of Herc scared of Logan's claws and on his ass.

It was certainly most of the figth, since Logan went down more often, unlike Herc who went down once. And the result was what? Hercules not being injured?

So, since my interpretation is more accurate, given how Logan WAS tossed down more often than otherwise, using your own logic, Hercules won, didnt he?

Originally posted by jinzin
Sure doesn't look just like "logan getting tossed around to me"... Which is what you stated and continue to state happened.
Your interpretation of the comics is about as accurate as your interpretation of my arguments... 😂

Yeah. Being bitchlaped across the room, sure doesnt mean getting "tossed around".

lolz, lolz.

Originally posted by jinzin
Hardly. I only used the meat cubes reference as a point of exaggeration to the fact that Wolverine could and would put a hurting on Herc with claws.

Ah, see how you concead you exageratted? And here is the difference of someone who aknowleges what the two characters have done in a particular encounter and another who exagerattes.

*drinks*

Originally posted by jinzin
Thor and Roughouse are both characters who are immortal with high end durability.. Both go down to stabbing and evisceration. Herc would go down to stabbing and evisceration.

But Wolverine isent Roughouse, is he?

If using feats of similiar characters count, can i use Hulk`s feats? Or Thor`s? Or the Forgotten One`s?

Originally posted by jinzin
What's better about it?
Look maybe you missed out because you were looking at the pretty pictures, and you've already admitted to having reading comprehension problems but when Wendigo went down to Logan in Uncanny he went down to Wolverine caught up in a berserker rage.. "days of non-stop fighting" compacted into a few short minutes...

Does that change the nature of time was still only minutes for the encounter? No.

As it is, no matter what you slide in, its still less impressive than being taken down with teamwork that consists in the likes of Hulk and someone else. But keep pretending you can see it for the sake of Logan as top tier. Its most amusing.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wendigo staggering back and weakening against a lax Wolverine who was talking trash is in no way shape or form... better... 🤨

With Hulk`s help. Your narrowed vision may not see Hulk, but i guarantee that Hulk was there. Not only that but its the sickiest thing that you post ONLY the panels where wolverine attacks, and not Hulk. Im sure it isent to give any direction that Wolverine alone was enough to wear him down, oh no!

WTF indeed. What planet do you live in, when a teamwork is needed to wear down one guy, its equalled by just one chap making a finish move?

Did you failed at sports too?

Originally posted by jinzin
Snowbird. She has a mystical power source. Maybe you missed this part too cause.. well I know it's in printed word and that's hard for you to latch onto not being a colored picture an' all but everyone else attacking Wendigo with generic weapons was doing a piss poor job because the curse was nullifying their effects.. The curse offered no such protection from Snowbird as a natural creature.

Yeah, her mistical power source is internal. Its what makes her transform. And she transformed into a goddamn "Wolverine". That surely must be amazingly greater than withstanding for some time the combined attacks of Hulk and Wolverine or the Alpha Fligth and Sasquatch.

Hey, Hercules also got a mystical power source. Its what makes him being strong as he is, since birth. Going by your dumb logic, that should be enough to win against Wendigo. Because you know, its mystical.

This also means kids, that anyone whose power source is mystical in nature will have an automatic advantage over Wendigo, just because. Someone better call Hellcat! Too bad the fact that Wolverine won against the same guy, overrides that...."fact".

Originally posted by jinzin
And the last page of the "WHOLE comic" where Wolverine and Hulk fight Wendigo end with Wendigo running away while Hulk consoles Wendi's lonely, human sister.

We all know what i was refering to. Are you playing dumb for the sake of it, now that your argument got more holes than a certain cheese?

Originally posted by jinzin
C'mon, if you're going to pretend you've read the comics at least do your research.

Lolz.

Like you did by saying "Wolverine almost beat him"?

Want a Pac Man for you as well?