Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't buy for a second that WWH can even harm SS. 😐
Hulk already showed that he has the physical prowess to knock out Surfer, cheap shot or not, the power is there to do it, and that's on-panel. So your opinion is off on just how much more powerful Hulk has gotten over the past decade. If you would look at past incarnations of the Hulk, there would be no way he could knock out the Surfer, and he has hit Surfer while Surfer stood there before, to no effect. He was significantly upgraded during and after Planet Hulk over where he used to be.
To illustrate what I'm saying, look at the following fights from then vs. now of regular Hulk vs. WWH:
* Hulk vs. Sentry (void): Void breaks every bone in Hulk's body with less energy emitted than Sentry vs. WWH in WWH#5. Post WWH - WWH wins against a Sentry putting far more effort into the battle.
* Hulk vs. Wolverine: Previously they fought for an hour to a stalemate. Post- WWH, they fought and Hulk treated him like a child and made him look like Mohammed Ali in retirement.
* Hulk vs. She-Hulk: Fight for a while, then team up. post-WWH: WWH hits her once and she's out.
Originally posted by Soljer
Fixed.
He wasn't entirely stripped of the power cosmic, as he still had his silver skin, and still had power cosmic radiating from his eyes during the fight.
He was, however, under the control of an obedience disk. If he was truly stripped of his Power Cosmic then he wouldn't have been able to use it after the control disk was broken to de-activate the other control disks.
Originally posted by Kutulu
He wasn't entirely stripped of the power cosmic, as he still had his silver skin, and still had power cosmic radiating from his eyes during the fight.He was, however, under the control of an obedience disk. If he was truly stripped of his Power Cosmic then he wouldn't have been able to use it after the control disk was broken to de-activate the other control disks.
He was still silvery when he had the power cosmic stolen from him by Doom, and removed from him by Galactus, and...
Originally posted by Soljer
He was still silvery when he had the power cosmic stolen from him by Doom, and removed from him by Galactus, and...
He certainly didn't have bolts of cosmic energy coming out of his eyes after Doom stole it. To top it off the bolt of energy from his eye looks exactly the same as the energy surrounding the mace.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1812/surfer2ih95c7db.jpg
Originally posted by pr1983
must be the ones i wasnt then... if CIS was included, in every fight on this forum he's in superman would spend 90% of the time getting his head kicked in before he measured his opponent just enough so he could take them down... he'd also always hold back...
Then its not etablished that CIS exempt but it is written in black and white.
Originally posted by pr1983
cyclops would never use his full strength blast...everyone who fights batman or cap and should beat them might not as they might job...
Wrong on both cases.
Originally posted by pr1983
but to be honest, did many people come into this thread thinking to themselves that hulk could take it simply because superman was going to fight like he always does and holds back until he realises how much punishment he can dish out and not take hulk's head off?
I dont know about the majority but we are having this conversation.
Originally posted by janus77Surfer isn't the only one to perform that trick though, so it's clearly established that it can and does happen to Hulk.
I think Surfer's fights with Hulk all are kinda iffy...
much though as it pains me to admit it, Surfer shouldn't be able to gamma-suck Hulk completely, really. we know Hulk can increase/decrease the amount of gamma energy he outputs, at will. and has in the past overloaded machines designed to do just what Surfer did. this fact when added to the fact that Hulk's capacity to channel infinite levels of gamma/energy (2 universes worth during the Heroes Reborn era and godknowshowmuch near WWH #5's end) from his infinite energy source means that he should be able to burn out Surfer.the way I see Surfer beating Hulk with the gamma-suck is if he doesn't absorb it all into himself and instead creates a conversion and feedback loop... changing the energies into some other form that Hulk cannot process and then slamming it back at him, thereby nullifying Hulk's powers indefinitely.
as for the Planet Hulk fight, that wasn't really a good indication of their respective abilities as 1) Surfer was cut off from PC and thus unable to amp himself and 2) Surfer thought the confrontation was over because he'd been freed from his obedience disc.
getting back to Superman vs WWH, in straight forward slug match WWH wins hands down. in any other sort of match, the edge goes to Superman and unless Hulk's emitting WWH#5/Heroes Reborn levels of Gamma radiation, I don't see him doing anything at all to affect Superman as he'd be out of his range or too fast to smash.
no, actually my point was that it doesn't happen other than when The Surfer does it.
others have tried and failed miserably. he just amps up the flow of gamma and overloads them.
with Surfer, he actually should be able to do that too but he just never seems to think of it. CIS/PIS whatever. it's not as if Surfer lacks for options in beating Hulk so I'm not that bothered... just being a bit more rigorous with the logics, that's all.
Originally posted by janus77Really? Explain Titannus then.
no, actually my point was that it doesn't happen other than when The Surfer does it.others have tried and failed miserably. he just amps up the flow of gamma and overloads them.
with Surfer, he actually should be able to do that too but he just never seems to think of it. CIS/PIS whatever. it's not as if Surfer lacks for options in beating Hulk so I'm not that bothered... just being a bit more rigorous with the logics, that's all.
what do you want explained? that Hulk can alter the flow of Gamma? that he has an inexhaustible - immeasurable - amount of energy on tap?
I recall a couple of instances where it was tried and failed eventually when Hulk just overloaded the device used, the scans are on the site I think... if not I'll have a look for them later.
Originally posted by janus77Titannus was draining him and beat his up, not too long ago. He didn't seem to have any trouble with it.
what do you want explained? that Hulk can alter the flow of Gamma? that he has an inexhaustible - immeasurable - amount of energy on tap?I recall a couple of instances where it was tried and failed eventually when Hulk just overloaded the device used, the scans are on the site I think... if not I'll have a look for them later.
If it's inexhaustible and immesurable, how come people can drain him and whoop that ass?
Originally posted by Juntai
Titannus was draining him and beat his up, not too long ago. He didn't seem to have any trouble with it.If it's inexhaustible and immesurable, how come people can drain him and whoop that ass?
Titannus did it the same way Surfer did. Draining the Gamma - basically stealing and psyphoning off the energy before they could reach Hulk's cells. Surfer could do the same to Superman for instance.
The target is left cut off what what fuels his abilities. Otherwise it is potentially an endless source of energy....and the fight is over. Its really the best way to stop Banner, not by going toe to toe.
