Superman vs wwh.

Originally posted by Soljer
With the Silver Surfer, it's about source of power, not sheer durability.

Hulk's power source is much more 'dynamic' than the Surfer's, when both are weakened, depowered, or otherwise stripped of their source, the Hulk regains strength much more easily than the Surfer regains the power cosmic.

For the record, the Silver Surfer is at least on par with Superman in terms of durability - and a very good case could be made for his superiority.

^^ And Hulk was in fact able to knock out the Silver Surfer, and we know that his WWH form was far more stronger than he was even on Planet Hulk. Which is why if Superman were to go in and fight like an idiot hand to hand WWH would take a win.

That being said, Supes still wins this match though as much as I dislike saying it, due to the conditions:
* Fights like he did during OWAW (goes immediately for the kill at full strength from the get-go, fights with intelligence instead of trying to act tough standing toe to toe, and uses his superspeed in combat to keep his opponents off guard).
* BFR allowed.
* Hulk won't really have enough time to amp up to as high as he did during his fight with Sentry for example due to Superman's speed factor.

Originally posted by Soljer
With the Silver Surfer, it's about source of power, not sheer durability.

Hulk's power source is much more 'dynamic' than the Surfer's, when both are weakened, depowered, or otherwise stripped of their source, the Hulk regains strength much more easily than the Surfer regains the power cosmic.

For the record, the Silver Surfer is at least on par with Superman in terms of durability - and a very good case could be made for his superiority.

🙂

Wow...Someone who understands the Silver Surfer's powers and abilities.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hulk bleed all over the freaking place in wwh hes nowhere even remotely near supermans durability,superman using his powers will win hulk and thats a fact,and no silver surfers durability doesnt come even remotely close to supes either.

Blood? lol 🙄

Who cares, unless you have a fear of blood or something.

If any the damage is completey healed in moments....what does it matter?

If anything Hulk's blood just pisses him off more.

Originally posted by Kutulu
^^ And Hulk was in fact able to knock out the Silver Surfer, and we know that his WWH form was far more stronger than he was even on Planet Hulk. Which is why if Superman were to go in and fight like an idiot hand to hand WWH would take a win.

That being said, Supes still wins this match though as much as I dislike saying it, due to the conditions:
* Fights like he did during OWAW (goes immediately for the kill at full strength from the get-go, fights with intelligence instead of trying to act tough standing toe to toe, and uses his superspeed in combat to keep his opponents off guard).
* BFR allowed.
* Hulk won't really have enough time to amp up to as high as he did during his fight with Sentry for example due to Superman's speed factor.

I agreed that Fighting all out like he did during OWAW will likely take regular Hulk in a calmer state, but wouldn't kill WWH.

Hulk's amping time varies from days to hours, and varies per opponent - to what degree they piss him off. Like when Savage Hulk was getting pwned by Abomination one second and the next he punched a hole through his head the next panel.

Originally posted by janus77
what exactly do you mean by "the absorption of a black hole"?
do you mean eating one? 😕

because if you're talking about whether or not Hulk could survive being inside a blackhole, I think you'll find the answer is already available on-panel.

he survived being drawn into a blackhole when he went to Sakaar. in fact, he was the only creature known to the Sakaarians to have survived without being rendered unconscious, and as if to further illustrate that point The Silver Surfer went through the exact same black hole and ended up unconscious and stripped of most of his power. Hulk too was severely weakened but was still able to battle armies of monsters and traverse molten rocks and endure massive - city destroying - bombs.

oh and during Heroes Reborn, he was the nexus of two universes of energy - far more than any black hole I'd imagine - and also physically became the bridge from the pocket universe to 616 for the rest of the heroes trapped in the pocket universe.

👆 only I'm betting he's coming out very irritated and angry.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I agreed that Fighting all out like he did during OWAW will likely take regular Hulk in a calmer state, but wouldn't kill WWH.

Hulk's amping time varies from days to hours, and varies per opponent - to what degree they piss him off. Like when he was getting pwned by Abomination one second and the next he punched a hole through his head the next panel.

True but in this instance, in this match, he really doesn't have anything to hate Superman for, or reason to be angry with him, other then that he's fighting against him. So Hulk doesn't have prep time to amp himself up to those higher end levels.

If this was WWH post-Sentry where he was glowing with power, then it would be a different story, but for the purposes of this thread he starts off at standard WWH level.

Originally posted by Kutulu
True but in this instance, in this match, he really doesn't have anything to hate Superman for, or reason to be angry with him, other then that he's fighting against him. So Hulk doesn't have prep time to amp himself up to those higher end levels.

If this was WWH post-Sentry where he was glowing with power, then it would be a different story, but for the purposes of this thread he starts off at standard WWH level.

WWH is already a pissed state beyond regular Hulk....but for arguments sake, If Superman is able to calm him down to lowest Hulk levels, then go all out...he could KO and then take him.

Typical WWH mode? no.

Originally posted by Soljer
With the Silver Surfer, it's about source of power, not sheer durability.

Hulk's power source is much more 'dynamic' than the Surfer's, when both are weakened, depowered, or otherwise stripped of their source, the Hulk regains strength much more easily than the Surfer regains the power cosmic.

For the record, the Silver Surfer is at least on par with Superman in terms of durability - and a very good case could be made for his superiority.

This is why the Surfer absorbed Savage Hulk's gamma..Hulk's cells were pulling gamma and feeding him faster than Surfer could absorb cosmic energies of his own to amp his own abilities.

So he did the wise thing and aborbed the gamma (feeding souce) within Hulk's cells before he got pwned....cutting Hulk off from his source of energy - reverting him to Banner.

I think Surfer's fights with Hulk all are kinda iffy...
much though as it pains me to admit it, Surfer shouldn't be able to gamma-suck Hulk completely, really. we know Hulk can increase/decrease the amount of gamma energy he outputs, at will. and has in the past overloaded machines designed to do just what Surfer did. this fact when added to the fact that Hulk's capacity to channel infinite levels of gamma/energy (2 universes worth during the Heroes Reborn era and godknowshowmuch near WWH #5's end) from his infinite energy source means that he should be able to burn out Surfer.

the way I see Surfer beating Hulk with the gamma-suck is if he doesn't absorb it all into himself and instead creates a conversion and feedback loop... changing the energies into some other form that Hulk cannot process and then slamming it back at him, thereby nullifying Hulk's powers indefinitely.

as for the Planet Hulk fight, that wasn't really a good indication of their respective abilities as 1) Surfer was cut off from PC and thus unable to amp himself and 2) Surfer thought the confrontation was over because he'd been freed from his obedience disc.

getting back to Superman vs WWH, in straight forward slug match WWH wins hands down. in any other sort of match, the edge goes to Superman and unless Hulk's emitting WWH#5/Heroes Reborn levels of Gamma radiation, I don't see him doing anything at all to affect Superman as he'd be out of his range or too fast to smash.

I don't buy for a second that WWH can even harm SS. 😐

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't buy for a second that WWH can even harm SS. 😐

Harm an unamped SS? Yep...any permanent or lasting damage...HellNo. IMO Surfer is far too resourceful and drawing cosmic energies to fuel himself.

Well, then, again...Hudlin's T' Challa put SS on an arm lock...so...meh.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I don't buy for a second that WWH can even harm SS. 😐

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, then, again...Hudlin's T' Challa put SS on an arm lock...so...meh.

yep, unamped Surfer.... dontgetit

Originally posted by quanchi112
Harm yes but defeat no.

He needs to get a hold of SS first...which if he did...doesn't seem to convincing....

SS speed.....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
He needs to get a hold of SS first...which if he did...doesn't seem to convincing....

SS speed.....

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well Sentry could have avoided him to with all his speed but flew right into him. Surfer would do the same.

I dunno....see, that implies that SS would use the same strategy as Sentry. I think SS would flyi into WWH then release a huge blast...thus SS owns WWH.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I dunno....see, that implies that SS would use the same strategy as Sentry. I think SS would flyi into WWH then release a huge blast...thus SS owns WWH.

supes wins every time! god this has been done to death... no version of hulk

what is the battlezone?

I think Superman would win, but don't care either way.

The more obvious outcome would be WWH and Supes become a gay couple and move to San Francisco and open a flower shop.