Superman vs wwh.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Exactly...especially in close ranged fights with the likes of Mongul, Grundy....and as I mentioned DOS Doomsday(In which NO speed feats are present WHATSOEVER)

Regular Hulk can surpass DOS DD, WWH pwns DOS DD within minutes.
WWH FTW every time...unless you have some mystery scans of DOS Doomsday's speed....or Superman speed feats when fighting him....which you DON'T...(They only exist in Fanboy's minds)

And I can go with Superman decapitating WWHulk somehow if you have a scan of him doing that to someone WWHulks level. Sadly, otherwise its more Fanboy BS...Thus like I said, he exhausts himself going toe to toe eventually, and gets pwned after pumping WWH to insane levels.

The only thing that really bugs me,is when somebody is dismissing stuff, just because they haven't read the books.

If you haven't read the stuff, you shouldn't be arguing. If you can't remember something that the rest of us know as fact, you should stay silent.

It isn't our fault that you have no idea what you are talking about.

What is WWH level? You mean glowing green, or all the bleeding, or running away from Juggernaut, or when he got his neck broken, or when he was on his knees, waiting for his buddies to save him from Sentry's blast?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Doomsday's Speed is a fact. That's all there is to it. It isn't a "mystery scan", you potato head!

The only thing that really bugs me,is when somebody is dismissing stuff, just because they haven't read the books.

If you haven't read the stuff, you shouldn't be arguing. If you can't remember something that the rest of us know as fact, you should stay silent.

It isn't our fault that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Yeah and Superman lost to Doomsday, cant see how hulk cant match that.

Originally posted by Horrificus

What is WWH level? You mean glowing green, or all the bleeding, or running away from Juggernaut, or when he got his neck broken, or when he was on his knees, waiting for his buddies to save him from Sentry's blast?

Geeeeezzzzz!!!!! C'mon! 😬

durhulk VS superdur

There is still some interest so I'll reopen the thread. Let's be civil please.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah and Superman lost to Doomsday, cant see how hulk cant match that.

Geeeeezzzzz!!!!! C'mon! 😬

WW Hulk still wins imo.

As I remember, Superman was the last man standing. I'd give ol' Supes the win even though he died shortly after killing DD.

Originally posted by Badabing
As I remember, Superman was the last man standing. I'd give ol' Supes the win even though he died shortly after killing DD.

I've always said, If Superman fought Hulk using his powers to their greatest effect, he'd cream him.

However, If Superman chose to play Hulk's game and lock horns, as he tends to do with big guys, (not implying that Superman isn't a good brawler, just that Hulk is a better one,) Hulk would get the better of him.

And no, Superman isn't way, way stronger than the Hulk. They're about the same, until the Hulk's anger kicks in. I've been insulted by rabid moronic Superman-cultists before for saying this (no offense to the sane Superman fans), but it's supported by fact. Savage Hulk moving tectonic plates is well within the lower range of his calm strength, and delivering planet-shattering blows is well within his fuctional strength.

I'm reffering to Savage Hulk btw, the real Hulk. I didn't read WWH much.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I've always said, If Superman fought Hulk using his powers to their greatest effect, he'd cream him.

However, If Superman chose to play Hulk's game and lock horns, as he tends to do with big guys, (not implying that Superman isn't a good brawler, just that Hulk is a better one,) Hulk would get the better of him.

And no, Superman isn't way, way stronger than the Hulk. They're about the same, until the Hulk's anger kicks in. I've been insulted by rabid moronic Superman-cultists before for saying this (no offense to the sane Superman fans), but it's supported by fact. Savage Hulk moving tectonic plates is well within the lower range of his calm strength, and delivering planet-shattering blows is well within his fuctional strength.

I'm reffering to Savage Hulk btw, the real Hulk. I didn't read WWH much.

superman effortlessly

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman would slug it out here and would lose. Its just how it would go down. 🙂

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
OWAW used all his powers so no,and superman would win a slugfest anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm no he wouldnt. Hulk is built for brawls. Hulk at his strongest beats Superman down.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
superman effortlessly

aye...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm no he wouldnt. Hulk is built for brawls. Hulk at his strongest beats Superman down.

Originally posted by Estacado
Going by feats?
No.

I've always held the view that Hulk is ultimately stronger, and at one point, I believed he would win in an all out fight, (my fanboy days, everyone's had 'em), but everyone (namely the impartial ones) can't always be wrong, and it isn't always about who's your favorite. While I still believe that Hulk has an unlimited capacity for power, in more current comics Superman, feat-wise, has an edge. All the most impressive stuff Hulk has done is has been in 20 year old comics, while Superman is still doing it today. Giving him the edge in strength, too, is understandable.

As far as I know, turning the milliwheels of the solar system sized Maggeddon mechanism is commonly cited as Superman's highest feat, which requires cosmic strength, but no-one knows how much. Current Hulk feats the cosmic level are virtually nonexistent. He just beats people up. In the past, Hulk's more absurd feats in the past include punching through a timestorm, taking shots from Celestials, and sending shockwaves through the multiverse. Impressive stuff, but old. Alot of his feats are uber-cosmic lever, but they don't really make logical sense because if the time period they were written in. Kinda like PC Supes closing black holes.

I don't know any real feats for WWH. As far as I know, he just beats up on nameless aliens and occasional superheros. For all I know, Superman could trash him in a brawl or otherwise. So I can't argue that point.

I've always hated people who believe what they want to believe regardless of fact (90% of the human population), and I don't want to be one of 'em.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The more I post here, the more I see both sides of the argument.

I've always held the view that Hulk is ultimately stronger, and at one point, I believed he would win in an all out fight, (my fanboy days, everyone's had 'em), but everyone (namely the impartial ones) can't always be wrong, and it isn't always about who's your favorite. While I stilll believe that Hulk has an unlimited capacity for power, in more current comics Superman, featwise, has an edge. All the most impressive stuff Hulk has done is has been in 20 year old comics, while Superman is still doing it today. Giving him the edge in strength, too, is understandable.

As far as I know, turning the milliwheels of the solar system sized Maggeddon mechanism is commonly cited as Superman's highest feat, which requires cosmic strength, but no-one knows how much. Current Hulk feats the cosmic level are virtually non-existant. He just beats people up. In the past, Hulk's more absurd feats in the past include punching through a timestorm, taking shots from Celestials, and sending shockwaves through the multiverse. Impressive stuff, but old. Alot of his feats are uber-cosmic lever, but they don't really make logical sense because if the time period they were written in. Kinda like PC Supes closing black holes.

I don't know any real feats for WWH. As far as I know, he just beats up on nameless aliens and occasional superheros. For all I know, Superman could trash him in a brawl or otherwise. So I can't argue that point.

Hulk has had some impressive recent feats, for example his feats on planet Sakaar put him as a top tier. Namely:

* Holding together the tectonic plates of the planet from splitting apart (which would require strength in the quintillions of tons range), while weakened and being burned by magma at the same time. This was before he regained his full strength and headed back to Earth, and it was also before he learned to meditate to focus his rage (his WWH phase).
* Jumping from Sakaar's moon to it's planetary surface, surviving freefall and re-entry and landing on the planet's surface causing a crater, then getting up with a smile on his face. That was while completely non-angered. If you do the math of how much strength and durability it would require to jump from the moon to a planet's surface and survive re-entry, it's no easy task for someone who cannot fly.
* Casually lifting a spaceship that would weigh in the 10,000 ton+ range (bigger than the shield hellicarrier) with one hand while non-angry.

His baseline strength seems to have gone up as well, as during Planet Hulk he learned that he doesn't have to bother holding his breath in space, he can survive in space now with no problem. His body in addition has adapted to breathing underwater, it somehow grew the organs necessary to do so.

Here is the scan of the tectonic plate incident:

Originally posted by Accel
IH #102-
While being covered in magma, Hulk pulls together the plates of the planet when they start splitting.

The scans I posted aren't as impressive as the Megaddon wheel incident, but to be honest there hasn't been anything shown that the Hulk cannot lift or move in his recent showings. If the Mageddon wheel event happened in Marvel, Hulk would have been able to move it just the same IMHO at his strength levels during WWH.

If the task is there, he's strong enough to do it as long as he's angry enough, and WWH puts his baseline strength at what was previously an enraged level. For example one-shotting Ares and She-Hulk. So I am still convinced that if it came down to an up close brawl without BFR, WWH would take the win, but having said that, Superman was pretty impressive during OWAW. He was finally using his extra abilities closer to how they could be used instead of fighting like a butler like he had in the past. His showings against the Imperiex drones was very impressive for instance, handling them with ease and using all of his abilities at once.

This is why Superman as portrayed during OWAW would take a solid majority here, maybe something like 9/10. If it was Superman acting like he did during DOS, then WWH would take a solid majority, 9/10, because Superman fought and acted a lot different during that story during OWAW, for example just standing there baring his chest to Doomsday's punches in one panel.

Hulk as portrayed at the end of WWH (post Sentry fight) I would put at a higher strength level than Supes, but he would still most likely take a loss. To those that point out the satellite incident, that was simply deus ex machina, plain and simple, and it wouldn't have worked if Bruce didn't willingly allow himself to be hit by it by standing in the same spot and just waiting for it.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk has had some impressive recent feats, for example his feats on planet Sakaar put him as a top tier. Namely:

* Holding together the tectonic plates of the planet from splitting apart (which would require strength in the quintillions of tons range), while weakened and being burned by magma at the same time. This was before he regained his full strength and headed back to Earth, and it was also before he learned to meditate to focus his rage (his WWH phase).
* Jumping from Sakaar's moon to it's planetary surface, surviving freefall and re-entry and landing on the planet's surface causing a crater, then getting up with a smile on his face. That was while completely non-angered. If you do the math of how much strength and durability it would require to jump from the moon to a planet's surface and survive re-entry, it's no easy task for someone who cannot fly.
* Casually lifting a spaceship that would weigh in the 10,000 ton+ range (bigger than the shield hellicarrier) with one hand while non-angry.

His baseline strength seems to have gone up as well, as during Planet Hulk he learned that he doesn't have to bother holding his breath in space, he can survive in space now with no problem. His body in addition has adapted to breathing underwater, it somehow grew the organs necessary to do so.

Here is the scan of the tectonic plate incident:

Moving tectionic plates isn't new for Hulk, either. His older feats still outdo these. I already knew that it was well within the range of his base strength. But that's not necessarily strong enough to beat the crap out of Superman in an all out brawl.

I know, we don't know how hard it is to turn the wheels of Maggedon, and that it doesn't mean that Superman can lift a Solar System, but if the thing is solar system size, I'm guessing the wheels must be pretty huge themselves.