Superman vs wwh.

Originally posted by Kutulu
The scans I posted aren't as impressive as the Megaddon wheel incident, but to be honest there hasn't been anything shown that the Hulk cannot lift or move in his recent showings. If the Mageddon wheel event happened in Marvel, Hulk would have been able to move it just the same IMHO at his strength levels during WWH.

If the task is there, he's strong enough to do it as long as he's angry enough, and WWH puts his baseline strength at what was previously an enraged level. For example one-shotting Ares and She-Hulk. So I am still convinced that if it came down to an up close brawl without BFR, WWH would take the win, but having said that, Superman was pretty impressive during OWAW. He was finally using his extra abilities closer to how they could be used instead of fighting like a butler like he had in the past. His showings against the Imperiex drones was very impressive for instance, handling them with ease and using all of his abilities at once.

This is why Superman as portrayed during OWAW would take a solid majority here, maybe something like 9/10. If it was Superman acting like he did during DOS, then WWH would take a solid majority, 9/10, because Superman fought and acted a lot different during that story during OWAW, for example just standing there baring his chest to Doomsday's punches in one panel.

Hulk as portrayed at the end of WWH (post Sentry fight) I would put at a higher strength level than Supes, but he would still most likely take a loss. To those that point out the satellite incident, that was simply deus ex machina, plain and simple, and it wouldn't have worked if Bruce didn't willingly allow himself to be hit by it by standing in the same spot and just waiting for it.

So it becomes a character with awesome strength vs a character with awesome strength, landspeed, airspeed, various vision and breath powers, etc.

Originally posted by Juntai
That's the thing though, Supes' strength is portrayed in much the same fashion... if the task is there to do, he does it.
Except his attribute isn't limited to just this, it includes pretty much all of his powers, which number far more than Hulk's powers.

So it becomes a character with awesome strength vs a character with awesome strength, landspeed, airspeed, various vision and breath powers, etc.

Which is why I gave Supes the vast majority in this battle. OWAW portrayed Superman like he would be written by a KMC member.

Using heat vision, ice breath, at the same time while following up with a speed blitz, as just one example.

Originally posted by Juntai
That's the thing though, Supes' strength is portrayed in much the same fashion... if the task is there to do, he does it.
Except his attribute isn't limited to just this, it includes pretty much all of his powers, which number far more than Hulk's powers.

So it becomes a character with awesome strength vs a character with awesome strength, landspeed, airspeed, various vision and breath powers, etc.

The reason he posted that is that there are some who believe Superman is drastically stronger than the Hulk.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Which is why Superman wins when fighting the Hulk.

The reason he posted that is that there are some who believe Superman is drastically stronger than the Hulk.

No.

The biggest problem is Hulk has easily matched and surpassed most every feat Superman has ever produced. Why?

Because Superman's higher physical strength showing are based on inertia....which means he is utilizing his flight to some degree.

In feats where superman is standing (No Flight involved) and supporting weight...
or When he is standing and punching to do damage.... Regular Hulk beats him everytime.

And we are talking about WWH here....which most anyone will agree is certainly stronger.

I guarantee you Hulk can and will easily Surpass Superman in Hand to Hand damage and power every time..which is why you have to be stupid to go toe to toe with Hulk...you must outsmart him. Its just how the character was created.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
No.

The biggest problem is Hulk has easily matched and surpassed most every feat Superman has ever produced. Why?

Because Superman's higher physical strength showing are based on inertia....which means he is utilizing his flight to some degree.

In feats where superman is standing (No Fligh) an supporting weight...
or When he is standing and punching to do damage.... Regular Hulk beats him everytime.

And we are talking about WWH here....which most anyone will agree is certainly stronger.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
No.

The biggest problem is Hulk has easily matched and surpassed most every feat Superman has ever produced. Why?

Because Superman's higher physical strength showing are based on inertia....which means he is utilizing his flight to some degree.

In feats where superman is standing (No Flight involved) and supporting weight...
or When he is standing and punching to do damage.... Regular Hulk beats him everytime.

And we are talking about WWH here....which most anyone will agree is certainly stronger.

I guarantee you Hulk can and will easily Surpass Superman in Hand to Hand damage and power every time.

Not every feat. Possibly his strength feats.

I don't think World War Hulk is stronger than the good-old, stupid, Savage Hulk. And really, featwise, he isn't. 😄

Originally posted by Juntai
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Read my post.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Are you saying no to Superman beating Hulk in an all out fight? Because I say yes.

Not every feat. Possibly his strength feats.

I don't think World War Hulk is stronger than the good-old, stupid, Savage Hulk. And really, featwise, he isn't. 😄

I say WWH is stronger, but regardless Hulk as a character is known for limitless strength....and at a growing rate. He gets stronger and stronger during fights. By comparison...most characters do the opposite, unleash...plateau and begin to wear down as they take damage and exhaust.

And no cube, I meant Hulk would easily dominate in a close ranged hand to hand fight.

Superman has far too many other powers at his disposal for Hulk to win or even touch Superman otherwise.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
And no cube, I meant Hulk would easily dominate in a close ranged hand to hand fight.

Superman has far too many other powers at his disposal for Hulk to win or even touch Superman otherwise.

Couldnt WWHs energy powers counteract heat and freeze breath?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Couldnt WWHs energy powers counteract heat and freeze breath?

Maybe, but it wouldn't really matter. Speed combined with Superman's strength is the biggest factor he'd have to deal with, and frankly, he couldn't.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Couldnt WWHs energy powers counteract heat and freeze breath?

I have no doubt that he would resist them, meaning they wouldn't cause damage that lasted or inconvenienced him for more than a couple panels, but during that time Superman can try and BFR him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Maybe, but it wouldn't really matter. Speed combined with Superman's strength is the biggest factor he'd have to deal with, and frankly, he couldn't.

Hulks Durability would outlast it.

Hulks Durability is just under Superman PLUS his regen is beyond Wolverine. Superman has higher Durability...but NO regen.
WWH simply can and would deal with any damage Superman could do.

Cold, Ice etc...does jack to Hulk. He is invulnerable to it.
As trying to contain Hulk in Ice? Hulk never failed to break out of any ice or other such cages in all of comics. Ask Storm or Iceman...It won't be a problem whatsoever.

One effect that blitzing and freezing Hulk WOULD have on Hulk however is -PISSING HIM OFF, so Superman gets points there.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Maybe, but it wouldn't really matter. Speed combined with Superman's strength is the biggest factor he'd have to deal with, and frankly, he couldn't.

Yeah im thinking to myself even if Supes was really fast. If Hulk generates the energy around himself wouldnt that restrict supes movement?

Originally posted by Kutulu
I have no doubt that he would resist them, meaning they wouldn't cause damage that lasted or inconvenienced him for more than a couple panels, but during that time Superman can try and BFR him.

Er ok im no Superman expert how would he do this?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Superman has far too many other powers at his disposal for Hulk to win

The other factor is fuel. WWH has an endless inexhaustable source of gamma energy. Superman has solar charged cells that can last a long time IF not depleted by exertion. (See DOS).

Hulk's endurance is just better.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
The other factor is fuel. WWH has an endless inexhaustable source of gamma energy. Superman has solar charged cells that can last a long time IF not depleted by exertion. (See DOS).

Hulk's endurance is just better.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah im thinking to myself even if Supes was really fast. If Hulk generates the energy around himself wouldnt that restrict supes movement?

Er ok im no Superman expert how would he do this?

He could do a double icebreath / heat vision attack like he did against the imperiex drones, icebreath to Hulk's body, heatvision to his face / eyes so that he's temporarily blinded, while blinded simply throw him into outer space. BFR rules are basically one of the reasons that flying characters take more wins against non-flyers.

Originally posted by Juntai
These days Superman actually sucks energy out of the stars as he needs it. Rather than using it up and needing a lot of time to recharge. We learned this in the Ruin arc a couple years ago. In the same arc, a powerless Superman steps into the sun and in a single moment is back to full capacity.

True perhaps, but Hulk has self-sustainace. He needs to fly nowhere to recharge, or recharge at all.

Originally posted by Kutulu
He could do a double icebreath / heat vision attack like he did against the imperiex drones, icebreath to Hulk's body, heatvision to his face / eyes so that he's temporarily blinded, while blinded simply throw him into outer space. BFR rules are basically one of the reasons that flying characters take more wins against non-flyers.

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