Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by Mr Master
😆

Right, cause it doensn't clearly state TOAA Created the Omniverse. dur

No, it doesn't clearly state that. It states "believed to have." Not the same thing.

Originally posted by Mr Master Present ONE scan (from MARVEL COMICS) in 2007-2008
Not from disconnected Websites, like Comixfan or Wiki or any other garbage.

Claiming something, anything to help your case,
cause right about now, theoretical works of fantasy aren't doing it for me.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon

So the panels show the omniverse, do they? Nope!

They show bits of the omniverse.

The handbook writer at ComixFan pointed that out.

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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that's a representation of the ENTIRE Omniverse,
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL Creation"

Originally posted by Kerr Avon

We don't get to see all of the omniverse in a single panel.

If you claim that anything not seen in those panels isnt part of the omniverse then theres lots of Marvel realities which can't be part of the omniverse, because they arent represented in the pictures you linked to,
and theres no way you can argue that.

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

Originally posted by Kerr Avon

The handbook writer shot that down too.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Since you can't be bothered to go read what he says, I'll copy it here.
"Ignoring the option of hyperbole for a moment, first, there's the note that everything was eventually put back the way it was - which means that if HoM did have a ripple effect across all realities and changed (for example) Bananaman's reality, since everything got put back to normal after a while, then Bananaman isn't likely to have noticed what happened.
Also, we again hit the fact that the Omniverse is infinite; what was a tsunami rushing over the Marvel multiverse was likely a small ripple by the time it hit the more distant parts of the Omniverse (such as the realities owned by other companies). We are told the Continuum got tore into pieces - but how big were those pieces? At the distant edges of the damage, we could find that entire megaverses were moved around, but that nothing inside those megaverses got rearranged relative to one another. Who was going to notice that for the duration of HoM the realtive interdimensional locations of the Star Wars multiverse and the Star Trek multiverse had changed?"

AGAIN!!!!

Post something from MARVEL COMICS!!!!

POST something from actual COMICS!!!!

Get this "Comixfan" gibberish out of here friend,
no one is going to take you serious.

Well the Troll might, but other than that,
even my nemesis would dismiss your unrelated alien Website.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Comixfan pointed that out huh?" 😆

You mmust be under the impression that I give a rat's ass what "Comixfan" states.

AGAIN!!!!

Post something from MARVEL COMICS!!!!

POST something from actual COMICS!!!!

Get this "Comixfan" gibberish out of here friend,
no one is going to take you serious.

Well the Troll might, but other than that,
even my nemesis would dismiss your unrelated alien Website.

Then try Marvel's own website. Go on, read what it says there.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
thats the way i understood it. he coined the term suposedly.
he was also the head writer of the hand books i think.
then we have a clear defining entry in the 2005 book

and no clear redifine in the new books [B]just some refrences.

Where do you think that 2005 entry is from?

(GLOSSARY of Terms 2005)

NOWWWWWWWW!!!!

=======WHERE IS MY 2007 AND 2008 ENTRYS COMING FROM? ======

Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

Is his Glossary of terms more legit than mine?

Although mine is from Winter 2007 while his is from 2005.

I guess that's the way it is to a biased eye. 🙂
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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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firefirefireph

Originally posted by xjustice69x

then we have a statement from a writer on a message board that marvel links directly to.

Comixfan is less than meaningless to true debaters.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
then to top it all off we have numorus cross overs
that clearly show there is a conection between these multiverses.
weather thay are cannon or not thay have existed in the same creation.

ONE Cross-over (between DC/Marvel)) has ever been acknowledged, vaguely, and subtly.

Guess what though,

the premiere part of the story,
like Eternity getting warped, Marvel nearly dying, was completely IGNORED.

Anywho,
the true debaters and I already agreed:

In Cross-overs there is a link between the companies,
other than that,
there is absolutely NO connection between Marvel and DC or any other.

And Cross-overs hold absolutely NO influence over continuity.

What happens in a Cross-over ----- STAYS in a Cross-over.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
then there is the fact that the word can not be redifined its basic etymology does not alow it.
to redefine it as any less then "all" would need a renaming as well .
then its not omniverse any more. it might be multiverse or megaverse.

Dude, the term Omniverse was coined by Gruenwald while working for MARVEL!!!

That term doesn't have any historical value outside of comics.

Is this a joke?

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Now ... "OMNI" means "ALL" ... and we know "Verse ... stands for the "verse" in Universe.

It's quite simple ...

Omni = all

Verse = Space/Time

Together we get ... "Omniverse" (which simply means ... "All Universes"😉

This term can easily be subjected to one company.

The Marvel Omniverse = All Universes in Marvel.

The DC Omniverse = All Universes in DC

and so on ....

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Marvel.coms bio section is a WIKI.
If you are using it to try and back your claims,
then you are using a WIKI.

I have NEVER used Wiki for anything.

ALL my evidence comes from MARVEL COMICS!!!!!

ON PANEL MAVREL COMICS!!!!

And OFFICIAL MARVEL Handbooks (Comic books) that ceritfy my claims.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
That is not a lie.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Then why do the handbooks keep referring to these crossovers?

You mean the Two vague/subtle references years ago?

Already told ya,
the companies do link for Cross-overs ...
but said links are contained withIN the Cross-over ...

But beyond that,
the Cross-overs are garbage and contradicts Marvel's Cosmology completely.

This is why Cross-overs are a joke.

Like making Eternity a single Multiverse (that's a fallacy)

Or,

Like Krona defeating the Grandmaster
while GM is wielding the most powerful weapons across both companies.

Yet, Krona gets owned by Flash and Haweye. dontgetit

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
I'm telling you what Marvel has said. And I already answered both of those two references you brought up and showed why you are reading them wrong.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
I'm not the one who needs to pay attention,
and I've posted no lies nor misinformation.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
And you learn some manners!

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Marvel.com is a Wiki, and you have used it to back your claim.

And I don't need it to back anything up.

I've posted a plethora of On Panel evidence,
confirmed also On Panel in Official Handbook Bios.

YOU are the person that is solely relying on some "Website"

Dude, you can't get high before debating.

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
And a Marvel Handbook writer has come online to say you are wrong,
so how do you answer that?

You saw him?
You know him?
He told this over lunch?

Oh no that's right, you're paying attention to some faceless fonts on the net,
in some "website" (unrelated to Marvel Comics) that makes claims.

Instead of sticking to MARVEL COMICS themselves.

Brilliant! euro

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
No, it doesn't clearly state that. It states "believed to have." Not the same thing.

Marvel comics in 2005 stated it - the omniverse includes other companys realities.

Theres been no statement since to suggest thats changed.

WRONG again, and again, and again!!!

Where do you think that 2005 entry is from?

(GLOSSARY of Terms 2005)

NOWWWWWWWW!!!!

=======WHERE IS MY 2007 AND 2008 ENTRYS COMING FROM? ======

Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks ([B]Glossary of Terms[/B])

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

Is his Glossary of terms more legit than mine?

Although mine is from Winter 2007 while his is from 2005.

I guess that's the way it is to a biased eye. 🙂
.............................................................................................................

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

.....................................................................................................

Originally posted by Kerr Avon
And I've not posted anything from any wiki.
I have posted something from Comixfan,
because it is a quote from one the writers of the handbooks
you are using to back your case, and he is saying you are wrong.

MARVEL Comics On Panel depictions >>>>>>>> Comixfan
MARVEL Comics Updated 2007-2008 Bios >>>>>>>>> Comixfan

You can bring up Comixfan all you want.
and you'l be 😆 at everytime.

Originally posted by manjaro

what i dont underatnd is why is there such a desparate need
to have both companies fully sanctioned as a joint entity.....

crossover are just that....crossovers.
sometimes they are canon, most times they are not.

what is so unfathomable
about two different companies having thier own set of rules and standards?

But seriously, it's only an effort to demean Omniversal feats,
courtesy of kmc's hater of all things above a fiery bird. 😏

The other followers are just,
sock accounts (I believe it's the troll at work)
the Troll,
and the hater,
oh and Cresh ... but I don't consider Cresh as being any of that,
he simply disagrees with me all the time, regardless.

Originally posted by manjaro

am i the only one blown away by the fact
that some ppl even consider our world, the "real world" a part of the omniverse?

is this not totally f ****ed in the head or what

Wait, maybe you should visit "Comixfan" and get the "real story."

ka-dur

I still can't get over that absurdness.

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Galan (a true debater) shut this thread down before he needed to find irrifutable evidence,
that Marvel possess an Omniverse that consist of "Infinite MultiverseS"

Originally posted by Galan
One could say that the whole of Marvel = an Omniverse, and the whole of DC = an Omniverse,

and these two Omniverses can exist together at certain times,

[ie. when crossovers occur],

to form a greater Omniverse,

[which follows the 'greater levels of infinity' concept in comics]....

But I wouldn't say that they are perma-linked to the same general creation,

ALL of the time -- or else you'd have Marvel characters affecting DC, and vice versa..

Would that make sense? ❌

I refuse to believe Roma can destroy Universes in DC with the CN,
and that Superman saved DC AND Marvel by vibrating. 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is precisely why they have their separate Omniverses,
where one can never influence the other.

Only in consonant cross-overs,
are the Two realities ever of any significance to each other,
this significance of course, remains contained withIN the cross-over.

👆 ... nuff said.

Marvel has stated that its collection of omniverses exists within the same omniverse as other comic book companies.

In support of this point they have crossovers which they themselves have validated as canon via their handbooks and DC has acknowledged as canon via their continuity title JLA.

I have linked to the officially recognised sight of the handbook writers stating that the two exist within the same omniverse, just within separate collections of realities.

I have linked to Marvel.com where a handbook writers states that any comic book interaction be it reference or artistic depiction between the two companies is limited by copyright, therefore you only see interaction ebtween the two during crossovers

All of these official sources, directly addressing the issue, no interpretation on my part, just presentation of their direct statements and yet you would have the audacity to proclaim it wrong because it doesn't coincide with your opinion of how things should be? 😱

After all this time................Still stands:

I’ve heard some arguments with regards to how Marvel characters such as Roma number all realities within the omniverse, does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that theres one omniverse and that DC are their extra-dimensional neighbours?

Just means that while DC residents might call it Earth-S, Roma might call it Earth 16781 from her Marvel perspective

The omniverse depicted in Marvel is from a Marvel bias and perspective. Omniversal roles are possessed by characters from both companies and for all their talk of being able to destroy or affect an omniverse, it either never happens or if it does then its always done from that specific companies perspective because that’s all they have the right to do by copyright law unless they write up an agreement with the other company allowing them to specifically depict or refer to the other company’s property being affected/destroyed such as within the JLA/Avengers canon crossover.

I’ve heard talk of how Marvels Supreme Being is TOAA and DC’s is The Presence. Does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that there’s one omniverse and DC is recognised as an extra-dimensional neighbour?

If anything it should make you question what TOAA and Presence are in relation to each other, are they the same being represented differently to the two multiverses? Who knows? The fact that we don’t know the answer to that question does NOT change Marvels official stance.

😱 😆

Originally posted by Air Legend

Damn GS, Maybe you are worst than nvrbeenwthagirl.

That's not just intransigence, that's agenda minded aswell.
One purpose beneath that curtain of deception,
demean Omniversal feats that the fiery bird could only dream of accomplishing.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 Definitely,
Nvr was clueless and debated anyways making himself look ridiculous,
but this dude knows the truth and still you get nothing but bangin

That's not just intransigence, that's agenda minded aswell.
One purpose beneath that curtain of deception,
demean Omniversal feats that the fiery bird could only dream of accomplishing.

So you gonna give us an official statement or are you going to continue to draw attention away from the fact that you have nothing? 😕

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel has stated that its collection of omniverses exists within the same omniverse as other comic book companies.
In support of this point they have crossovers which they themselves have validated as canon via their handbooks and DC has acknowledged as canon via their continuity title JLA.
I have linked to the officially recognised sight of the handbook writers stating that the two exist within the same omniverse, just within separate collections of realities.
I have linked to Marvel.com where a handbook writers states that any comic book interaction be it reference or artistic depiction between the two companies is limited by copyright, therefore you only see interaction ebtween the two during crossovers
All of these official sources, directly addressing the issue, no interpretation on my part, just presentation of their direct statements and yet you would have the audacity to proclaim it wrong because it doesn't coincide with your opinion of how things should be?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Where do you think that 2005 entry is from?

(GLOSSARY of Terms 2005)

NOWWWWWWWW!!!!

=======WHERE IS MY 2007 AND 2008 ENTRYS COMING FROM? ======

Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks ([B]Glossary of Terms[/B])

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

Is his Glossary of terms more legit than mine?

Although mine is from Winter 2007 while his is from 2005.

I guess that's the way it is to a biased eye. 🙂
.............................................................................................................

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

.....................................................................................................

Official sources, non ambiguous and directly addressing the question at hand faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr outweigh( and to be honest render irrelevant) a bunch of comic book scans with the word "omniverse" in them, accompanied by a comic book fans OPINION.

😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Here we go again.

You really don’t get it do you?

Nothing you have posted is proof that Marvels view is that it has a separate omniverse from DC.

Nothing you have posted has proven my posts incorrect.

ALL you have done is post scans of Marvel characters talking about the omniverse from a Marvel perspective and claimed that to be proof of an omniverse solely belonging to Marvel. I’m sorry Mr Master but regardless of how stupid you think the idea all of your posts are just your opinion on how things should be.

That is NOT good enough.

I have asked a question. Do the two companies exist in the same creation?

From Marvel we have a statement saying that there is only ONE omniverse and within it are contained not only Marvels collection of realities but also those of other comic book companies:

(top far right paragraph)

Further to that point we have instances where Marvel characters have met with DC characters and these crossovers have been referred to in Marvels Handbooks which reference what is continuity for Marvel:

[B]Pulsars bio entry:

"the verdant will powered energies of an extra-dimensional emerald gladiator. [/B]

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
We’ve seen Mxy referenced in Impossible Mans bio as shown on page 1 of this thread

A few years back the Grandmaster was involved in a wager with Krona from DC during the Avengers/JLA crossover; this event is referenced in the Grandmasters latest bio making it canon:

Krona talking of destroying universes as a part of his investigations into the beginning of universes:

[B]Grandmaster: “We should play a game to decide matters”

Grandmasters bio:

(The last paragraph on the page)

“A vastly powerful being that had destroyed entire universes in seeking the origins of existence”

“As a delaying tactic and defensive gambit the Grandmaster challenged the scholar to a contest of champions to decide matters” [/B]

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The result of this crossover that Marvel clearly regards as canon was that Kronas essence was trapped in a cosmic egg as Grandmasters bio references: “trapping the scholar’s essence in a cosmic egg”

DC also made this canon following the growth of the Cosmic Egg in their JLA title:

[B]“We can’t destroy a newly forming universe just because we don’t like what it might become……………….It was touch and go trapping Krona in that cosmic egg in the first place” [/B]

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So you gonna give us an official statement or are you going to continue to draw attention away from the fact that you have nothing?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Where do you think that 2005 entry is from?

(GLOSSARY of Terms 2005)

NOWWWWWWWW!!!!

=======WHERE IS MY 2007 AND 2008 ENTRYS COMING FROM? ======

Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms[/B])

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

.............................................................................................................

+++++++ Is his Glossary of terms more legit than mine?

Although mine is from Winter 2007 while his is from 2005. ++++++++

I guess that's the way it is to a biased eye. 🙂

.............................................................................................................

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

.....................................................................................................

Nah, I don't believe it ... TOAA CREATED the Omniverse?

What Omniverse?

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

.................................................................................................................

that's a representation of the ENTIRE Omniverse,
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL Creation"

AGAIN!!!!

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

.................................................................................................................

the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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Oh, THAT Omniverse! ... Thanx.

Anytime. 🙂

There is no doubt that the crossover is regarded as canon for both Marvel and DC.

Marvel has stated that there collection of realities is A PART of the omniverse, not the sum of it.

Unless a poster has a new statement from Marvel directly addressing the issue and stating Marvel to have its own omniverse then anything else is just personal opinion which just doesn’t cut it.

This still stands:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I’ve heard some arguments with regards to how Marvel characters such as Roma number all realities within the omniverse, does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that theres one omniverse and that DC are their extra-dimensional neighbours?

Just means that while DC residents might call it Earth-S, Roma might call it Earth 16781 from her Marvel perspective

The omniverse depicted in Marvel is from a Marvel bias and perspective. Omniversal roles are possessed by characters from both companies and for all their talk of being able to destroy or affect an omniverse, it either never happens or if it does then its always done from that specific companies perspective because that’s all they have the right to do by copyright law unless they write up an agreement with the other company allowing them to specifically depict or refer to the other company’s property being affected/destroyed such as within the JLA/Avengers canon crossover.

I’ve heard talk of how Marvels Supreme Being is TOAA and DC’s is The Presence. Does that change the fact that Marvels stance is that there’s one omniverse and DC is recognised as an extra-dimensional neighbour?

If anything it should make you question what TOAA and Presence are in relation to each other, are they the same being represented differently to the two multiverses? Who knows? The fact that we don’t know the answer to that question does NOT change Marvels official stance.

Originally posted by Mr Master

SIX On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

These aren't just statements, or references ...

Marvel literally depicted it's Omniverse On Panel

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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

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Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

.................................................................................................................

Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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