Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

I found this in the Terms and Conditions at Marvel.com

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Right to Monitor and Editorial Control.

Marvel reserves the right, but does not have an obligation,
to monitor and/or review all materials posted to the Web Site
or through the Web Site’s services or features by users,
and Marvel is not responsible for any such materials posted by users.

😆

Really reliable, dur
jeesh, I should've been more thorough,
never though Marvel.com was a joke.

That site just met a boycott.

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Galan (a true debater) shut this thread down before he needed to find irrifutable evidence,
that Marvel possess an Omniverse that consist of "Infinite MultiverseS"

Originally posted by Galan
One could say that the whole of Marvel = an Omniverse, and the whole of DC = an Omniverse,

and these two Omniverses can exist together at certain times,

[ie. when crossovers occur],

to form a greater Omniverse,

[which follows the 'greater levels of infinity' concept in comics]....

But I wouldn't say that they are perma-linked to the same general creation,

ALL of the time -- or else you'd have Marvel characters affecting DC, and vice versa..

Would that make sense? ❌

I refuse to believe Roma can destroy Universes in DC with the CN,
and that Superman saved DC AND Marvel by vibrating. 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is precisely why they have their separate Omniverses,
where one can never influence the other.

Only in consonant cross-overs,
are the Two realities ever of any significance to each other,
this significance of course, remains contained withIN the cross-over.

👆 ... nuff said.

Originally posted by manjaro

ok, ok, ok let Jaro end this once for all...at least hopefully.....ppl c'mon look within yourselves and look real deep. of all the comic companies out there Marvel has been the only one taking an over the top approach to cosmic stuff. Marvel has been the only one throwing around the word omniverse rather willy-nilly-ly...Marvel has been the one to take it upon themselves to literally "write the book" on extra,pan, and omni dimensional adventures

another thing you gotta ask yorself about these aforementioned crossvers is that all of them were spearheaded by marvel comics with DC's permission to use thier intellectual property...its only the JLA/Avengers thing that was a true joint venture where both entities went in to cash in. in fact all the canonical remnants are always brought up by Marvel characters..LT primarily. to my knowledge only mxy in DC has made a passing remark of his time in the MU...talking about his adventure with his "fantastic friends".

what does this mean to Jaro? its simple......MU has its own Omniverse, only a damn fool would believe otherwise....even if we wanted to go there and say ok its more than one comic company, thus far Marvel has only done canonical crossvers with DC and Image(Invincible) so at the very least even if one wanted to stretch, thats still just three companies. not all of them put together like some less enlightened posters have been imagining....thats asenine. however, as we have seen when a particular arc requires it, both companies act like they are a part of the same uni, but thats as far as it usually goes. other than a passing refernece there never is a lasting effect on either universes

I would go over to thier HQ and punch them in the freaking mouth if i was starting my own comic company only to find that that marvel has lumped mine in thier omniverse. that doesnt make any freaking sense...who is the one that gave them the authority to do that? at the end of the day as ive always said this omniversal stuff should not be taken so literally, or seriously for that matter..time and time again we've seen that this is marvel's baby. nobody gives a damn about this stuff more than they do, so you all or rather we all should just let it go...

Originally posted by manjaro

what i dont underatnd is why is there such a desparate need to have both companies fully sanctioned as a joint entity.....crossover are just that....crossovers. sometimes they are canon, most times they are not. what is so unfathomable about two different companies having thier own set of rules and standards? am i the only one blown away by the fact that some ppl even consider our world, th"real world" a aprt of the omniverse? is this not totally f ****ed in the head or what

Read and learn from true debaters yall.

Originally posted by Galan007

Here are the excerpts we are referring to,

from the last page of the latest issue of Exiles:

"The Omniverse ... There are [B]infinite MULTIverseS inside it"

[/B]

is Marvel's Omniverse!!!

Can anyone present evidence of another company claiming THIS? ❌

Is there On Panel PROOF ...
that directly links an "infinite MULTI-Multiversal Omniverse" with Marvel?

You bet your ass there is. ✅

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(Goblin Queen/Beyonder's essence) ... like I said, ONLY Marvel's Omniverse!!!!

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"

"The MultiverseS ...

the Past ... the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

✅

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Hmm ... perhaps just the term MultiverseS on its own isn't enough.

Meh, how's this then ...

"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"

"So much Power in such a small mind ...

we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together ...

Now I will have to do it alone"

whistling

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There's a single bio entry that claims the Omniverse is shared BUT ...

Where do you think that 2005 entry is from?

(GLOSSARY of Terms 2005)

NOWWWWWWWW!!!!

=======WHERE IS MY 2007 AND 2008 ENTRYS COMING FROM? ======

Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms[/B])

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

Marvel Official Handbook Glossary of terms - Winter 2007

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+++++++ Is his Glossary of terms more legit than mine?

Although mine is from Winter 2007 while his is from 2005. ++++++++

I guess that's the way it is to a biased eye. 🙂

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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😱

Nah, I don't believe it ... TOAA CREATED the Omniverse?

What Omniverse?

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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that's a representation of the ENTIRE Omniverse,
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL Creation"

AGAIN!!!!

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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Oh, THAT Omniverse! ... Thanx.

Anytime. 🙂

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Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse.

If you admit that TOAA created DC every other company plus the "Real World" (us)

I'll concede.

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As we know, Merlyn was the Marvel "Supreme Omniversal Guardian"

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Merlyn created Otherworld & the Starlight Citidel
"from which he oversaw the Omniverse"

In fact,
Merlyn even made a 50,000 year plan,
to manipulate the entire Omniverse, towards enlightenment & peace"

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Roma (Merlyn's daughter) became the next Omniversal guardian:

"My hand guides the Omniverse Now,
Unlike my Father,
I have no desire to shape the destiny of men"

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The WRITER states:

"Roma ... defender of the Omniverse"

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The WRITER states:

"This is Roma ... For as long as anyone can remember,
she's borne a responsibility for the safety and security of the Omniverse,
Not simply the worlds & civilizations of a single Universe,
But OF THEM ALL"

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The Living Tribunal in other MulitverseS

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"The LT Exists in ALL MultiverseS simultaneously"

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"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

"Man's Universe (Multiverse)
has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes,
explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions
and obey roughly the same Laws"

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"There are Universes
whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc,
these all share a commonality of Concepts,
hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

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"Universes ... with lower or higher Dimensions ... are Truly different"

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (MultiverseS)

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Meh, the fact that the LT was dealing with the power of TWO MegaverseS,
has been fallaciously twisted, although it's typical,
I seen cats here being swayed by the bull shit

"He (LT) sits at the CENTER of ALL things,
feeling the flow of countless Realities,
their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment
rendered by HIS Three Faces"

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"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS,
each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse,
within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"

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On top of that, each Megaverse is a collection of MultiverseS:

"the REALMS with a Multiverse"

"Within the Omniverse,
collections of associated REALMS from different MultiverseS,
are referred to as MegaverseS"

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So there are Realms that represent a Multiverse,
and a collection of those Realms (MultiverseS) are called MegaverseS.

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Intering,

perhaps that's why what a Megaverse is in Marvel is ALSO defined,
in the WINTER 2007 Glossary of terms:

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Megaverse:

Group of alternate UniverseS which is larger than a Multiverse,
encompassing Realities with a certain closeness,
such as all those associated with Marvel.

swank

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"Exiles ... repairing damaged Realities and Protecting the Omniverse"

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Excerpt from Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles bio:

"Insectoid alien explorers discover an observatory outside of space-time,
named ... later the Crystal Palace,
the equipment allowed them to observe every Reality in the Omniverse.

Eventually,
accidentally they caused All Creation (Omniverse) to become displaced"

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So they damaged the entire Omniverse?

But isn't Marvel just a Multiverse? dontgetit

Or did they damage DC, the "real world" and all other companies? 😆

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That's why the Exiles were chosen to "fix realities" across the Omniverse:

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The Crystal Palace is basically another Starlight Citidel,
and like Roma's CN, it can erase any Universe in the Omniverse.

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Notice in the Exile Bio above,
that the Crystal Palace accesses the Reality database (in the Starlight Citadel)
of Merlyn & Roma's Core Continuum.

The Starlight Citadel's data base oversees the entire Marvel Omniverse:

"from this venue,
the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the Omniverse"

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I'll use Marvel.com here, because this isn't a definition,
just a reference to an occurance that took place On Panel.

But of course, I'll add the On Panel UPDATED 2007 Glossary of Terms:

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If Marvel is just a single Multiverse,
why is the Ultraverse located in ANOTHER Multiverse?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc)

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How can this be?

We know the Ultraverse is One of Marvel's Universes:

(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook 2007)

"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth" (Earth-93060)

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And yet, it's withIN ANOTHER Multiverse withIN Marvel,
but I thought all of Marvel was just a single Multiverse?

durznuts

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Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

There you have the Omniverse definition and TOAA's.

Also notice the "New Universe" is just another Marvel Alternate Earth,
interesting when we know it's located withIN ANOTHER Multiverse.
(that's the one Quasar visited)

New Universe

"Alternate Earth (Earth-148611)
on which most superhumans abilities were granted by the STAR BRAND"

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Here's Quasar in ANOTHER Marvel Multiverse OUTISDE the Prime Multiverse.

Quasar interacting with D.L.P. (hero team) OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse in the NEW UNIVERSE:

"in 1986 ... folks began developing paranormal abilities ... it was called STAR BRAND"

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Do not be fooled by intransigence yall,

Quasar WAS OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse ...
in ANOTHER Multiverse that houses the New Universe (an Alternate Marvel Earth)

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(PROOF) ... 100% Canon ... in the Winter 2007 Official Marvel Handbooks:

The Watcher and Her,
are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse
into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.

"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"

"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"

"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of MultiverseS"

Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.

But let's proceed.

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"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"

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Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse

"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse"

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In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL:

"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

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"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

Hmm ... where one of the MANY Marvel "Alternate Earths" (New Universe) are found.

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GO ahead and try to spin this ... 😆

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Official Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles BIO ...

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

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So Jaspers was going to destroy DC, all other companies plus the "Real World"

hum

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And HERE is that Omniverse they are talking about On Panel: (artistically illustrated)

(Winter 2007)

The WRITER states:

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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That's the Chaos Wave (Wanda's Reality Warp) they're referring to,
it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse before rebuilding the Omniverse afterwards.

Did the Chaos Wave destroy DC, other companies, and the "Real World"

durznuts

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Unless Wanda,

"literally tore the (Real World/DC ... etc) to bits and Re-arranged it

Marvel has it's own Omniverse!

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SIX On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

These aren't just statements, or references ...

Marvel literally artistically presented it's Omniverse On Panel

ACROSS MULTIPLE MARVEL TITLES!!!!!!!

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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

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Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

Try not to be so full of yourself Master. It's condescending as all hell, and quite silly when you realize it's comics.

Make your point and do so without insulting others. Same goes for starlock, but I've seen more of it from Master in this thread so far.

ok i admit this is becoming marginally insane now. my only intent was to just add my two cents. iv agreed with some points GS made and Ive agreed with Some MM made. however as an end result some where along the way we have to interject common sense. the simple fact that one company was created decades before the other...the simple fact that until 18-24 months ago give or take, DC only had one universe , should prove that the two are separate.......way before all the scans and the "duh factor" of both companies having the rights to thier own intellectual property

way before all the handbook entries and the simple fact that MArvels arrogance would have to be beyond boundless to arbitrarily include all other companies in thier omniverse......i would challenge anyone, anyone to show that any other company has been going crazy about an omniverse other than Marvel, but that would be another rant. and we dont need another one of those...that would be like saying there are cars made by ford, and honda sooo obviously the same guy created both under different aliases of Henry Ford and Soichiro Honda.......dont u see how f ****ed on the head this is ppl?.....also how can there be ppl claiming that our world is in the Marvel Omniverse and not be f ****ed in the head??!!??? seriuolsy im not even trying to be funny.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Try not to be so full of yourself Master.

This debate spilt over from my thread into this one,
that's why this thread was made in the first place,
cause My thread was getting spammed up with this subject,
until I shut the game down.

I just don't bother to "report" cause mods ain't gonna edit that,
and so long as a spammer doesn't cus/or get dirty, (clever) he can spam away.

(it's not the first time it's happened with the same individual)

I shut my thread down, and immediately this one popped up.
I used sarcasm in my posts because darn it, ... enough is enough with this guy,
but I never got personal until I was stepped to on a personal level.

Bringing in quotes from other haters from other debates that revile my name like:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474708&pagenumber=16

=== And that "Starlock" person suggesting it should be made a Sig out of. ===

Come on now.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's condescending as all hell

Originally posted by DigiMark007
and quite silly when you realize it's comics.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Make your point and do so without insulting others.

It's Two specific individuals (GS/Starlock)
I've always had beef with GS, few haven't,
but we've never ratted on each other like girlies.
(I did once though, he went insane in my thread with spam, a mod actually edited it)
That's how bad it was.

Anywho, this "Starlock" dude is the real culprit,
this guy discredits my name every chance he gets, (honestly, like a Troll)
I'll admit, it PISSES Me off, I'm not ashamed to realize I feel about him this way,
because of how he's behaved since his FIRST Post EVER, directed at me.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=449137&pagenumber=11

Please, be my guest and realize how far back this nonsense goes.
(Don't forget to use the link in my first post in that thread,
see it for yourself)

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This "Redshift" name suspiciously only has one Post lifetime,
so did "Kerr Avon" (now Kerr Avon has 10 PostS)

Guess what,

"Redshift's" single lifetime Post appeared 5 days ago to advertise Comixfan,
"Kerr Avon's" First lifetime Post appeared 2 days ago to claim he found it,
and of course, it proves and I quote "Mr Master is wrong and GS is right"
(you know, cause "Comixfan" said so)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474708&pagenumber=12

I went with my instincts and blew up their spot.

Even more interesting:

"Redshift" never Posted again.
"Kerr Avon" has posted 10 times ...
ALL of his PostS are directed at disagreeing with me in this thread.

hm ... Coincidence? ... perhaps.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Same goes for starlock, but I've seen more of it from Master [B}in this thread so far. [/B]

But you know what, out of respect for you Digi,
I ain't posting anymore in here, cause, this thread displaced my peace,
so I ain't even gonna peep in here again.
Don't worry, it feels good to end this here and now. 🙂

No need to respond Digi, I ain't clicking into This thread again,
but I just wanted you and onlookers to realize, my reaction was not that black & white.

Peace and love yall stoned

You're welcome to post again...I never said you shouldn't. But if he really is a troll like you say, ignoring him is generally a better policy than retorting and creating problems for yourself with your words.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cause and effect Digi.

This debate spilt over from my thread into this one,
that's why this thread was made in the first place,
cause My thread was getting spammed up with this subject,
until I shut the game down.

I just don't bother to "report" cause mods ain't gonna edit that,
and so long as a spammer doesn't cus/or get dirty, (clever) he can spam away.

(it's not the first time it's happened with the same individual)

I shut my thread down, and immediately this one popped up.
I used sarcasm in my posts because darn it, ... enough is enough with this guy,
but I never got personal until I was stepped to on a personal level.

Bringing in quotes from other haters from other debates that revile my name like:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474708&pagenumber=16

=== And that "Starlock" person suggesting it should be made a Sig out of. ===

Come on now.

That's the point with these specific individuals.

See, that's an open invitation to sarcasm. 😛

You make it sound as if it's random selection, which isn't fair,
and which I disagree with.

It's Two specific individuals (GS/Starlock)
I've always had beef with GS, few haven't,
but we've never ratted on each other like girlies.
(I did once though, he went insane in my thread with spam, a mod actually edited it)
That's how bad it was.

Anywho, this "Starlock" dude is the real culprit,
this guy discredits my name every chance he gets, (honestly, like a Troll)
I'll admit, it PISSES Me off, I'm not ashamed to realize I feel about him this way,
because of how he's behaved since his FIRST Post EVER, directed at me.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=449137&pagenumber=11

Please, be my guest and realize how far back this nonsense goes.
(Don't forget to use the link in my first post in that thread,
see it for yourself)

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This "Redshift" name suspiciously only has one Post lifetime,
so did "Kerr Avon" (now Kerr Avon has 10 PostS)

Guess what,

"Redshift's" single lifetime Post appeared 5 days ago to advertise Comixfan,
"Kerr Avon's" First lifetime Post appeared 2 days ago to claim he found it,
and of course, it proves and I quote "Mr Master is wrong and GS is right"
(you know, cause "Comixfan" said so)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474708&pagenumber=12

I went with my instincts and blew up their spot.

Even more interesting:

"Redshift" never Posted again.
"Kerr Avon" has posted 10 times ...
ALL of his PostS are directed at disagreeing with me in this thread.

hm ... Coincidence? ... perhaps.

I agree, I did blow a fuse with this person. (couldn't take it anymore)

But you know what, [B]out of respect for you Digi,
I ain't posting anymore in here, cause, this thread displaced my peace,
so I ain't even gonna peep in here again.
Don't worry, it feels good to end this here and now. 🙂

No need to respond Digi, I ain't clicking into This thread again,
but I just wanted you and onlookers to realize, my reaction was not that black & white.

Peace and love yall stoned [/B]

Originally posted by Peek
Since I got here I have saw you act the same with everybody.

Alice, get Guinness on the phone,
this guy just went through my near-12,000 PostS in 8 days.

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See what I mean D. srugdoped

Peace & love yall.