Ryu Hayabusa v.s. KH Sephiroth

Originally posted by EvilAngel
As i get more fustrated i get more aggresive, there's no helping it

Well lets see, there have been severalthread with Sephiroth in it where this very subejct has been talked about and acknowledged that Sephiroth 1 on 1 would beat anyone from FFVII. And i swear you yoyrself have been in atleast one of them. So i'm thinking you already know this.....

I'm not digging it up, you want to know, you dig it up. As apparenbtly you're the only one who doesn't know this, it would be a waste of space for everyone else.

hm fair enough

several threads, but debated in by whom? i never debate usually in threads with just FF characters in, ive not played most of the games and only a few sections of FF7 and chunks of FF10, so ive not got the best knowledge on the characters which is why i say, from evidence ive seen, i already know a lot of people say he wins, but i dont remember "why" usually i just see "sephiroth wins because he is stated more powerful" which doesnt as in the examples have shown mean a more powerful character cannot be beaten by a weaker one, especially if theyvre never fought so it cant be based down to CIS like the Cloud fights he has

"shrug" okie ill go and dick up some evidence for your argument 🙄

They would all loose to KH Oogie Boogie 😖

Originally posted by Burning thought
sephiroth wins because he is stated more powerful" which doesnt as in the examples have shown mean a more powerful

I can't understand peopel like. The guy who made it, says he's more powerful and you disagree.....WTF

How can you disagree?? he made it!

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I can't understand peopel like. The guy who made it, says he's more powerful and you disagree.....WTF

How can you disagree?? he made it!

no, your missing the point that a more powerful character can still lose to a weaker one in certain aspects and that more powerful doesnt always mean unbeatable or doesnt mean every aspect he uses whether it be speed, strength, intelligence, magic is going to be greater in every field against all other characters, being more powerful in many the examples ive shown can still mean he is not best at everything but is more powerful overall

ime not disagreeing with the guy himself, ime disagreeing with the thought that more powerful means unbeatable by anyone weaker, like in the examples ive shown 🍺

Originally posted by Burning thought
no, your missing the point that a more powerful character can still lose to a weaker one in certain aspects and that more powerful doesnt always mean unbeatable or doesnt mean every aspect he uses whether it be speed, strength, intelligence, magic is going to be greater in every field against all other characters, being more powerful in many the examples ive shown can still mean he is not best at everything but is more powerful overall

ime not disagreeing with the guy himself, ime disagreeing with the thought that more powerful means unbeatable by anyone weaker, like in the examples ive shown 🍺

Dispite the fact that when Sephiroth fights seriously he only uses his sword..... you're arguement is very very weak

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Dispite the fact that when Sephiroth fights seriously he only uses his sword..... you're arguement is very very weak

your the judging when hes fighting seriously?, not an official source, when is he fighting seriously, ive seen him get beaten by Cloud which apprently him not serios, but hes using his sword here as well.....no magic or anything, against Genesis, he uses his sword but is he serious? its a sparring program and if hes fighting seriously hes not that impressive imo, if thats the extent of Sephiroth>>FF7 unvierse then ime not impressed

just because he uses his sword most does not mean thats the aspect that makes him most powerful, speculation could say that if he used a spell or another power he could easily smoke the opponent before they can do anything but nothing suggests this, and nothing suggests sephiroth swordplay is his greatest element, if it is, its not very impressive, when in your opinion sword play help against a guy who is possibly faster (Weiss), or perhaps the massive Omega weapon thing? just because as i said before he uses his sword mostly, does not immediatley mean we can assume without falt thats his most powerful aspect

perhaps his the most powerful...just a fool and gets beaten because of his overconfidence and not using his most powerful abilities, perhaps thats why hes beaten by Cloud and its not the other way around every time if he used magic or other skills, ime sure not every FF attack is too slow, for example those fireballs Genesis launches

Everyone loses to Genie Jafar.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Everyone loses to Genie Jafar.

except Iago, who pwns Jafar

We never speak about the bird.

Originally posted by Burning thought
your the judging when hes fighting seriously?, not an official source, when is he fighting seriously, ive seen him get beaten by Cloud which apprently him not serios, but hes using his sword here as well.....no magic or anything, against Genesis, he uses his sword but is he serious? its a sparring program and if hes fighting seriously hes not that impressive imo, if thats the extent of Sephiroth>>FF7 unvierse then ime not impressed

just because he uses his sword most does not mean thats the aspect that makes him most powerful, speculation could say that if he used a spell or another power he could easily smoke the opponent before they can do anything but nothing suggests this, and nothing suggests sephiroth swordplay is his greatest element, if it is, its not very impressive, when in your opinion sword play help against a guy who is possibly faster (Weiss), or perhaps the massive Omega weapon thing? just because as i said before he uses his sword mostly, does not immediatley mean we can assume without falt thats his most powerful aspect

perhaps his the most powerful...just a fool and gets beaten because of his overconfidence and not using his most powerful abilities, perhaps thats why hes beaten by Cloud and its not the other way around every time if he used magic or other skills, ime sure not every FF attack is too slow, for example those fireballs Genesis launches

Go back and read it again. I used ot Kh example, as this is KH Sephiroth. Hence me not trying to argue that Sephiroth pulls Ryu apart using TK like i used in the Kain vs Seph debate.

Please Ladies and gentlemen, can we please just calm down and relax, let us have a civilized debate over this?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Go back and read it again. I used ot Kh example, as this is KH Sephiroth. Hence me not trying to argue that Sephiroth pulls Ryu apart using TK like i used in the Kain vs Seph debate.

well that would be useless because Ryu has a varity of useful attacks of escaping said fate

but yes this is KH sephiroth, which means everything the guy said is irrelevent since this sephiroth is basically a heartless from Clouds mind, however the debate has veered offcourse by using things from AC and other things with Sephiroth in them, whats your debate with Csdabest been about? Weiss has been menstioned many times but KH sephiroth has not really faced things AC one has, hes a heartless is he not?

all we know of KH sephiroth is his abilities, since as ive said before Ryu abilities i dont know as well, KH sephiroth is simple, teleports, fairly good speed, heartless but is it really enough to defeat DDB ryu, with his own teleportation, copies of himself and a load of ninpo

Originally posted by Burning thought
well that would be useless because Ryu has a varity of useful attacks of escaping said fate

but yes this is KH sephiroth, which means everything the guy said is irrelevent since this sephiroth is basically a heartless from Clouds mind, however the debate has veered offcourse by using things from AC and other things with Sephiroth in them, whats your debate with Csdabest been about? Weiss has been menstioned many times but KH sephiroth has not really faced things AC one has, hes a heartless is he not?

all we know of KH sephiroth is his abilities, since as ive said before Ryu abilities i dont know as well, KH sephiroth is simple, teleports, fairly good speed, heartless but is it really enough to defeat DDB ryu, with his own teleportation, copies of himself and a load of ninpo

No he's not a heartless..... where did you get that from?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
No he's not a heartless..... where did you get that from?

i thought almost everything the characters fight is a heartless or a thing of the mind, not a real life being, not the real sephiroth, where does the real Sephiroth come into the canon then fighting Sora and the rest, all of that does not seem canon to original FF so surely AC and other sephiroth powers are not in use by KH one

Heartless are left over from hearts
Nobodies are strong Heartless without real forms or hearts

At the end of the day though Chuck Norris beats everyone in the universe.

Originally posted by Burning thought
i thought almost everything the characters fight is a heartless or a thing of the mind, not a real life being, not the real sephiroth, where does the real Sephiroth come into the canon then fighting Sora and the rest, all of that does not seem canon to original FF so surely AC and other sephiroth powers are not in use by KH one

I assume he's not because he's in Kindom Heart 1. in Chain of Memories Axel says Sora the second person to ever keep control of himself when he became a heartless, the other he was reffering to was Ansem, Xehanort's Heartless.

but anyway i dont see how this matters, i think a heartless is immune to a none keyblade wielder? so its prob best hes not a heartless for Ryu sake but maybe thats not true, either way we know KH sephiroths attacks and imo, in comparison Ryu can get a good shot at beating him

What Showdown of Fate from Kingdom Heart 1. I haven'tsee Ryu use speed like that. And even if he does get a hit on, Sephiroth teleports and is fine again.....

Originally posted by EvilAngel
What Showdown of Fate from Kingdom Heart 1. I haven'tsee Ryu use speed like that. And even if he does get a hit on, Sephiroth teleports and is fine again.....

YouTube video

in this one he is going quick, ime not sure about Ryu, Csdabest seems to strongly belive Ryu is so perhaps next time is on, he can show us a video of it, but that speed isnt incredible, its fast but i can "imagine" Ryu is capable of great speed if not equel perhaps not too far off that speed, what people dont usually take into account is that just because someone is faster doesnt mean they can speed blitz of get the upper hand every time, if Ryu is even half that speed he can still bring a lot of powers to bear and he also has teleportation as well as tonnes of other powers, what about the invulerable clones, those AND ryu combined with the Dark Dragon blade has some good chances imo

Yeah. I dont think Ryubusa is as fast when it comes to movement speed maybe. I know Ryubusa is fast enough to keep up with Sephiroth though regarding Ninja Gaiden 1. And has some attacks that put his speed above Sephiroths speed. But all i know from what I seen is attack wise/movement wise when it comes to speed. The fastest i ever seen ryubusa move and the fastest i have ever seen Ryubusa move. Ryu has moved faster But those circumstances was attacks ryu has performed.

So I would definetly say Ryu is either equal to or slightly less than sephiroths Speed and in some circumstances he is faster.

But By ninja gaiden 2 that will surely change. MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA