Originally posted by Sol Valentine
So that implies that his power can be dwarfed in another universe.
Someone asked to prove he was the strongest in the FFVII world before he had control of the negative lifestream, and i just gave him the quote, thats all.. i didnt say he was the most powerful in the entire video game omniverse.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Sephiroth was the only SOLDIER that was infused with the cells at birth, thats why he has the powerful mind, in a way he literally is Jenova's son.Now, humans infused with cells of Jenova become super humans, just some cells of jenova are able to turn humans into beings like Zack and Cloud, with monstrous speed and strength.
Weiss, gained his powers from his body being exposed to lifestream/mako(lifestream in liquid form) for a long period, thats how he got so fast
Sephiroth in AC is 100% JENOVA AND LIFESTREAM, he was no human at all.
Even though all we see is him toying around in AC, he creates beings (much weaker aspects of himself)that are comparable speed to Weiss, in FF7 there were parts where Sephiroth teleports and thats a weaker incarnatation of AC Sephiroth, even in Kingdom Hearts, Sephiroth teleports, why would Tetsuya make Sephiroth teleport in KH, if the strongest version of Sephiroth(AC Sephiroth) is unable to? Thats why i think its safe to assume Sephiroth is atleast as fast as Weiss
If you talking about Loz speed is comparible to Weiss. Then no. Thats silly. Loz speed is nothing on the levels of Weiss. Sephirot or anything of sephiroth created in humanoid form has never even come close to weiss. so i dont think he is atleast as fast as weiss. Also Teleportation is not speed. In that case Then RYubusa is as fast as weiss if we use teleportation. I know Ryubusa is fast but i wont go that far to say he is that fast.
Furion. That logic wasnt proven so no. Just no. Also terry They moved much faster than Loz. Chaos appeared to have been stabbed. His afterimage lagged so badly it was for about 10 secouns untile it faded out. And he was already behind him. Also the point you made it only happens when two people start moving simultanously is rubbish. There is no constant evidence of that. So we have to go by on what we see. Clashes were seen on different parts of the battle feild. Loz doesnt even move that fast or clear the same amount of distance in that time. They are way beyond the speed of Loz.
Furion. That logic wasnt proven so no. Just no
If you actually just watch the speed jumps, and ignore the special slow motion effects, and noise, its not much different from Loz, pay attention to the regular speed jumping from 0:20 to 0:50, the only part where weiss/chaos seems like they surpass Loz' speed is when theyre both similtaneously high speed fighting, its possible Loz can do that too, hes just never fought a person as fast as he is before , btw after image does not = uber speed (if that even was an after image)
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Loz at 3:05
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Now pay attention to Loz' speed jumps at 3:45, its similar but with less special effects
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So our saying just because they are from thesame general source the same outcomewill happen. No. Just no. Specialy witht he different circumstances on how they are made. Your basicly saying that the same mothe rand father have three different kids and they will all have the same strengths. That still a no. Right now your assuming just because he was pure blood he will instntly be fasterut thats not the case. As itrs iunproven.
I cant bevelive your really arguing Loz is anywhere near th the speed of Chaos and Weiss. If anything Loz had more sspecial affects.
Also have you ever heard of sizing out inth beginning of the battle. They were clearly not going at full speed in the beginning o their batle. As proven when they start moving at untracable speeds. Also the beginning of their battle was also mostly in slow motion. Sephiroth nor Loz at fll speed ever came close to matching Chaos and Weiss full speed
Originally posted by Csdabest
So our saying just because they are from thesame general source the same outcomewill happen. No. Just no. Specialy witht he different circumstances on how they are made. Your basicly saying that the same mothe rand father have three different kids and they will all have the same strengths. That still a no. Right now your assuming just because he was pure blood he will instntly be fasterut thats not the case. As itrs iunproven.I cant bevelive your really arguing Loz is anywhere near th the speed of Chaos and Weiss. If anything Loz had more sspecial affects.
Also have you ever heard of sizing out inth beginning of the battle. They were clearly not going at full speed in the beginning o their batle. As proven when they start moving at untracable speeds. Also the beginning of their battle was also mostly in slow motion. Sephiroth nor Loz at fll speed ever came close to matching Chaos and Weiss full speed
Same source? Are you even reading? I'm saying that Sephiroths body/power is MUCH more superior, instead of a human body(weiss) Sephiroths body is JENOVA(billions of times superior then a human body), instead of just being exposed to mako/lifestream(Weiss), Sephiroths body is pure lifestream.
Sephiroth at full speed? We dont have a clue of Sephiroths full speed, we can only assume, hes been stated numorous times as the most superior character in the FF7 world, he creates weak remnants(which Sephiroth is a hundred more times powerful) who are at the speed of Loz
lets see, some jenova cells turns humans into ppl like cloud and zack, now compare a regular human(no jenova cells at all) to a body that IS jenova itself
Cloud basically punked the silver haired men, then pwned kadaj after he lost his geostigma
then sephiroth effortlessly pwned Cloud, and couldve killed him without using any of his powers, just melee, and even doing just melee he didnt try at all, and still couldve killed cloud at any time.
Seriously where did you get heswe numbers from. Also, Sephiroth full speed isthe fastest that he has been shown. And so far that s ot as fast as weiss or Omega. Stop pulling numbers out of your arse man. Those where three remenants of sephiroth. Do you know what a remnant is. Its a peice of something. So bascily those where three peices of sephiroth. Not just three people sephiroth created.
Also have you ever thought of that fact that it gave advance super human abilities because it was just a reaction of human blood fused with jenova cells. More like a mutatation. Jesus. Also Where did you get he didnt try at all with melee. It was an intense battle. Sephiroth got tossed once or twice. And even complimented on how cloud gotten much stronger. Sephiroth just didnt use everything in his arsenal. that being materia, lifestream and supernova.
Originally posted by Csdabest
Seriously where did you get heswe numbers from. Also, Sephiroth full speed isthe fastest that he has been shown. And so far that s ot as fast as weiss or Omega. Stop pulling numbers out of your arse man. Those where three remenants of sephiroth. Do you know what a remnant is. Its a peice of something. So bascily those where three peices of sephiroth. Not just three people sephiroth created.Also have you ever thought of that fact that it gave advance super human abilities because it was just a reaction of human blood fused with jenova cells. More like a mutatation. Jesus. Also Where did you get he didnt try at all with melee. It was an intense battle. Sephiroth got tossed once or twice. And even complimented on how cloud gotten much stronger. Sephiroth just didnt use everything in his arsenal. that being materia, lifestream and supernova.
Umm no, Sephiroth while hes toying around is not as fast as 100% Sephiroth, thats common sense, do you know what a weak remnant is? If they were full pieces of Sephiroth, that would mean all 3 of them together should be as powerful as Sephiroth, and clearly they are not, Cloud was able to beat them, and Sephiroth toying around couldve killed Cloud at anytime. They WERE created by Sephiroth, god you dont know anything, he guided them using the voice of Jenova, to find the J-cells and reform himself.
Sephiroth didnt try at all in the battle with Cloud, it was clear on screen, and it was stated by the creators themselves, no Sephiroth didnt use his powers at all, all he did was a little TK on the building thats it, his powers at 100% are above Omega and Chaos.
Also for the record.Leon is a billion time better than Sephiroth maxing out. Heck it stated fact that evebn the Moggles in FFVIII dwarf sephiroth in power,speed,skill, and strength.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm no, Sephiroth while hes toying around is not as fast as 100% Sephiroth, thats common sense, do you know what a weak remnant is? If they were full pieces of Sephiroth, that would mean all 3 of them together should be as powerful as Sephiroth, and clearly they are not, Cloud was able to beat them, and Sephiroth toying around couldve killed Cloud at anytime. They WERE created by Sephiroth, god you dont know anything, he guided them using the voice of Jenova, to find the J-cells and reform himself.Sephiroth didnt try at all in the battle with Cloud, it was clear on screen, and it was stated by the creators themselves, no Sephiroth didnt use his powers at all, all he did was a little TK on the building thats it, his powers at 100% are above Omega and Chaos.
Your anti-sephiroth spasms are acting out.
Um he didnt fight all three at the same time and he bearly beat loz and yazoo it was a good fight also. as awhole of course the entitry would be more efficient in fighting duh. Ok Where did it say that they were created by Sephiroth? Link please.
Power does not equal speed,strength, or skill. W/o out piss Sephy will beat omega or weiss but sephiroth is def. not faster than either onre.
Oh and its not. I was just showing you how easy it is to pull numbers out my ass
Direct translation from the Ultimania Omega Guide:
"-Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo are referred to as physical manifestations of
Sephiroth's spirit and will three times in the English text, with the specific
wording used in Japanese being something akin to "will bodies of Sephiroth's thoughts" on one of those occasions and "phantoms of Sephiroth" on another
-It's confirmed that the silver-haired men's desire to find Jenova's remains and merge with them is due in part to Sephiroth's desire to be restored goading them without them knowing it."
Question, what makes you so sure Sephiroth's max speed is that slow when you have only seen Sephiroth toying around? Sephiroth has a physically much superior body then Weiss, and has created beings as fast as Loz
Um he didnt fight all three at the same time and he bearly beat loz and yazoo it was a good fight also.
Oh, and here is something else from the UOG translation
"-It's said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth. Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn't. Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn't sweat during the entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn't even trying
hard. Cloud on the other hand was clearly giving it his all and was described by the book as exhausted by the time the battle was nearing its conclusion."
Prove that he is faster than Omega and Weiss. With visuals or a direct quote saying he is actually faster than Omega and Weiss.
Melee is only a portion of the of someone abilities specially in this fight. Sephiroth fighting style has been pretty constant through out his multiple fights. Also your not going to sweat if your fighting someone who is no where close to your level.
Yes It didnt say he directly created them. It says manifestation. They came from sephiroth. Also they weret weak at all. Cloud was just that strong. Also cloud did not take them on that easily. He was getting knocked around half of the fight still.
Also no one ever said cloud was on par with sephiroth so what in the world are you bringing that up for.
Also please provide proof physical proof that Sephiroth is even near Weiss speed. And make it valid