Ryu Hayabusa v.s. KH Sephiroth

Originally posted by Csdabest
Prove that he is faster than Omega and Weiss. With visuals or a direct quote saying he is actually faster than Omega and Weiss.

Haha, you know full well no offical has ever said he is faster than weiss, unless you count the correct word from the inteerveiw, which you deny.

PROVE ryu can breath without his mask, it could be some kind of ventilator because he has delicate lungs, if you don't prove it sephiroth uses gravity on his mask and he dies. See? using bullshit isn't fun when your on the other end eh?

DOa he doesnt has his mask. Alt costums in DOA he doesnt have his costumes. Stop being silly. Sephiroth has never been shown to move faster than Omega or Weiss. and no I have seen more sites quote that he was more powerful and not stronger.

So your littel comeback ment nothing. So i was on the opposite end of anything.

Now Prove that sephiroth can use gravity without Materia. Since this is KH Sephiroth and they dont use Materia in the game. So he doesnt have the abilities granted by materia. Since you wanna act dumb

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Rpa1-BCPLc

^^^Proof.

Wow at you thinking ryubusa would die wthout his mask when he has been seen multible times with out it

Originally posted by Csdabest
DOa he doesnt has his mask. Alt costums in DOA he doesnt have his costumes. Stop being silly. Sephiroth has never been shown to move faster than Omega or Weiss. and no I have seen more sites quote that he was more powerful and not stronger.

So your littel comeback ment nothing. So i was on the opposite end of anything.

Now Prove that sephiroth can use gravity without Materia. Since this is KH Sephiroth and they dont use Materia in the game. So he doesnt have the abilities granted by materia. Since you wanna act dumb

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Rpa1-BCPLc

^^^Proof.

Wow at you thinking ryubusa would die wthout his mask when he has been seen multible times with out it

Rhetorical not a word in your dictionary eh? Any fool can see what i said was clearly to demonstrate a point that is the level of the stupidity of your claims.

Now listen carefully as i see you're not too good at understand english.

IF Weiss is faster than Sephiroth, they he would be able to get more hits on Sephiroth. Now when you're using sharp weapons, like the two sword Weiss uses, speed can be the decider.

With me so far?

Now, IF Weiss is able to strike Sephiroth more, then that would mean he can kill Sephiorth, making the claim the creators clearly stated wrong. But wait! that can't be wrong because they creators specifically stated in battle, no one was above Sephiroth. So by the power of deduction (means i used evidence to trace the facts) It's fair at assume Sephiroth is as fast, or faster than Weiss.

Hope i didn't use anythnig too technical for that poor little mind of yours, Ja Ne 😛

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Besides, if he had delicate lungs, he wouldn't be able to go far with needing to rest, so it was obviously not a serious claim.

well infact thats a bit wrong, just because someone is overall more powerful does not mean they can win all fights against less powerufl beings, imo High father in WoW is more powerful than Sargerus, he is more powerful than all titans, he can do things not all can. However i also agree sargerus is the greatest fight of the Titans and could give his brother a run for his money

but thats just one example, power comes in more ways than the power of destruction, if there was a being who could die from a dagger stab but had the power to create worlds, that doesnt mean the lowly mercenary is more powerful with his sword, it just means he has the ability to kill a more powerful person

Originally posted by Burning thought
well infact thats a bit wrong, just because someone is overall more powerful does not mean they can win all fights against less powerufl beings, imo High father in WoW is more powerful than Sargerus, he is more powerful than all titans, he can do things not all can. However i also agree sargerus is the greatest fight of the Titans and could give his brother a run for his money

but thats just one example, power comes in more ways than the power of destruction, if there was a being who could die from a dagger stab but had the power to create worlds, that doesnt mean the lowly mercenary is more powerful with his sword, it just means he has the ability to kill a more powerful person

Nice try Burning Thought but i have already devised a counter for said argument.

The only time Sephiroth has used him "magic" power in battles is when he is toying with his enemies, Sora for one. In the boss fights Sephiroth uses his various powers.

While that all well and good to assume his magic boasts his powers, when we see him go serious, like against Cloud, he is completely reliant on his Sword skills. This strongly suggest his core strength in a fight is Physical not magical.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Nice try Burning Thought but i have already devised a counter for said argument.

That goes... how exactly? Enlighten me and dampen my curiosity.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Nice try Burning Thought but i have already devised a counter for said argument.

The only time Sephiroth has used him "magic" power in battles is when he is toying with his enemies, Sora for one. In the boss fights Sephiroth uses his various powers.

While that all well and good to assume his magic boasts his powers, when we see him go serious, like against Cloud, he is completely reliant on his Sword skills. This [b]strongly suggest his core strength in a fight is Physical not magical. [/B]

but thats not really a counter, its a fair response but not a counter, he still has all this magic ability as well as other powers, even if he uses physical a lot, it could still easily be the magic that boost him above the rest

if we gave a inaccurate overview of his powers, just for example he would still be more powerful if his stats were:

Weiss/ Sephiroth
Magic: 6/ 12
Physical: 7/ 5
Endurance: 6 / 4

ofc just a rough idea but in this case ive underlined Sephiroth powers, even if he was weaker by a long way in Physical and Endurance compared to another, in this example his magic is very high, which in reality its high, even if he does usually use physical it does not mean he excels in this above all others, he still has the magic boost which is easily a reason to put him above all other characters in overall power, and ofcourse, just because hes said to be the most powerful over all characters, he would still be the most powerful in the following example:

Character A: Destroys a brick with his fireball
Sephiroth: Destroys two bricks with his fireball

sephiroth is more powerful...but the amount does not have to be an incredibly range, using inaccurate numbers if Vincent was strength 6 and Sephiroth 7, Sephiroth is stronger but only by 1 point, now simply do that for the entire FF unvierse with Sephiroth 1 point, a tiny 5 grams perhaps weight lifting ability and he would still be more powerful in this example

another example, more powerful sephiroth who is stronger than weiss, they both fight eachother, but this doesnt mean Sephiroth in a stomp like i feel terry and some others assume because hes more powerful....this could easily mean he wins but comes out broken and smashed but barely alive, but hes won because hes that much more powerful...all these examples prove that Sephiroth can still end up in a bad way or be weaker in a certain area and stronger in others to stay as the most powerful character

Originally posted by Lady Fox
That goes... how exactly? Enlighten me and dampen my curiosity.

I've already explained, when Sephiroth is fighting more seriosuly he doesn't use magic. Look and see this is KH Sephiroth, if this was FFVII Sephiroth i could make no such claim. Against Sora, Sephiroth uses his magic powers, but against Cloud, a more serious enemy, he only uses his sword.

Did i miss anything?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I've already explained, when Sephiroth is fighting more seriosuly he doesn't use magic. Look and see this is KH Sephiroth, if this was FFVII Sephiroth i could make no such claim. Against Sora, Sephiroth uses his magic powers, but against Cloud, a more serious enemy, he only uses his sword.

Did i miss anything?

You have not missed anything. I just wanted to know how you countered.

Originally posted by Burning thought
but thats not really a counter, its a fair response but not a counter, he still has all this magic ability as well as other powers, even if he uses physical a lot, it could still easily be the magic that boost him above the rest

if we gave a inaccurate overview of his powers, just for example he would still be more powerful if his stats were:

Weiss/ Sephiroth
Magic: 6/ 12
Physical: 7/ 5
Endurance: 6 / 4

ofc just a rough idea but in this case ive underlined Sephiroth powers, even if he was weaker by a long way in Physical and Endurance compared to another, in this example his magic is very high, which in reality its high, even if he does usually use physical it does not mean he excels in this above all others, he still has the magic boost which is easily a reason to put him above all other characters

Please, you know just as well as i do the spell are totally impractical for a fight on this level. He has to stop and gesture to do even the fastest casting of his spells. I don't even want to mention Heartless Angel -.-'

Where on Earth did you pull those numbers from i wonder? Such absurd claims you're making. Besides you're not even making enough categories for that to be useful.

Sephiroth was the best SOLDIER because he was unnaturally powerful in battle, at the time Materia could only get so strong, so that could only give him an edge. To truly make that defining position of "Best SOLDIER" he needed to be the greatest blademaster.

Besides, you can see in the Crisis Core video Genesis was shocked as to the power of Sephiroth attacks. Genesis himself being among the top SOLDIER. Come now, take a hint....

Originally posted by Lady Fox
You have not missed anything. I just wanted to know how you countered.

He's suggesting it's the magic that puts Sephiroth ahead.

Lets back up one moment yes? Sephiroth Spells require a gesture to use.

Weiss can move faster than the eye can see.

Now can you see why i doubt spell would let Sephiroth win? or am i being ridiculous ?

I am not saying against either of you two. I just wanted to hear your counter to that specific point, because it is a strong point in many discussions.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Please, you know just as well as i do the spell are totally impractical for a fight on this level. He has to stop and gesture to do even the fastest casting of his spells. I don't even want to mention Heartless Angel -.-'

Where on Earth did you pull those numbers from i wonder? Such absurd claims you're making. Besides you're not even making enough categories for that to be useful.

Sephiroth was the best SOLDIER because he was unnaturally powerful in battle, at the time Materia could only get so strong, so that could only give him an edge. To truly make that defining position of "Best SOLDIER" he needed to be the greatest blademaster.

Besides, you can see in the Crisis Core video Genesis was shocked as to the power of Sephiroth attacks. Genesis himself being among the top SOLDIER. Come now, take a hint....

please reply to the pieces ive edited and yes the spells are impractical, but he is still more powerful even if in a fight their not useful, power does not always equel distructive power, if character A can blow up planets with a gesture but it takes an hour to use, he is still more powerful than character B who cannot barely lift a sword, but can just lift it long enough to chop off charcter As head before he casts this ridiculously long spell

as i said, their innacurate, absurd claims? how is it absurd? theres no evidence apart from the "Sephiroth is more powerful" quote from the interview, that doesnt mean he is faster, stronger, more powerful in magic and every way known to the FF7 universe, it was an example of how Sephiroth can easily still be "most powerful" without being the highest in every tiny attribute

Genesis still fought sephiroth, he didnt get completly trashed, sephiroths one stroke didnt send him scurrying to the floor, they fought well and although Sephiroth was superior throughout the fight, even when he done that final powerful blow it didnt do too much but lock their swords

Originally posted by EvilAngel
He's suggesting it's the magic that puts Sephiroth ahead.

Lets back up one moment yes? Sephiroth Spells require a gesture to use.

Weiss can move faster than the eye can see.

Now can you see why i doubt spell would let Sephiroth win? or am i being ridiculous ?

a strong point would be does he have to win, to be more powerful? that is one thing i disagree with, also theres many things in a real fight you have to take into account for the winner, being more powerful is one thing, but a more intelligent fighter or a strategist can outwit the more powerful foe in many cases, not saying it would work on sephiroth, who is likely intelligent but its a good case against "being powerful means you win all fights"

Originally posted by Burning thought
please reply to the pieces ive edited and yes the spells are impractical, but he is still more powerful even if in a fight their not useful, power does not always equel distructive power, if character A can blow up planets with a gesture but it takes an hour to use, he is still more powerful than character B who cannot barely lift a sword, but can just lift it long enough to chop off charcter As head before he casts this ridiculously long spell

as i said, their innacurate, absurd claims? how is it absurd? theres no evidence apart from the "Sephiroth is more powerful" quote from the interview, that doesnt mean he is faster, stronger, more powerful in magic and every way known to the FF7 universe, it was an example of how Sephiroth can easily still be "most powerful" without being the highest in every tiny attribute

Genesis still fought sephiroth, he didnt get completly trashed, sephiroths one stroke didnt send him scurrying to the floor, they fought well and although Sephiroth was superior throughout the fight, even when he done that final powerful blow it didnt do too much but lock their swords

a strong point would be does he have to win, to be more powerful? that is one thing i disagree with, also theres many things in a real fight you have to take into account for the winner, being more powerful is one thing, but a more intelligent fighter or a strategist can outwit the more powerful foe in many cases, not saying it would work on sephiroth, who is likely intelligent but its a good case against "being powerful means you win all fights"

Back the hell up, do you realise you're blissfully ignoring the creaters statement that tells us specifically Sephiroth is the Strongest (by which they mean most powerful In Battle, aka undefeatable) ???

You've even said you disagree You don't like it, i get that, but the creaters said it. That's the way it is....

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Back the hell up, do you realise you're blissfully ignoring the creaters statement that tells us [b]specifically Sephiroth is the Strongest (by which they mean most powerful In Battle, aka undefeatable) ???

You've even said you disagree You don't like it, i get that, but the creaters said it. That's the way it is.... [/B]

can you show me what dictionairy tells us strongest=undefeatable please, ive never heard this term used by "strongest", the only things i know that to mean are "most powerful" or "physically strongest"....where does it say undefeatable?

if it just means most powerful, then were back to all the points i dug up for that

Originally posted by Burning thought
can you show me what dictionairy tells us strongest=undefeatable please, ive never heard this term used by "strongest", the only things i know that to mean are "most powerful" or "physically strongest"....where does it say undefeatable?

if it just means most powerful, then were back to all the points i dug up for that

Abusing some jerk who failed at his simple job of translating is your point which your leaning heavily on....

Please! I've already stated numerous times, the word he uses don't just mean strongest. And the point the creator made was that Sephiroth was the strongest character in the FFVII verse in battle, don't deny the damn facts that were given to you on a silver plattered interveiw.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Abusing some jerk who failed at his simple job of translating is your point which your leaning heavily on....

Please! I've already stated numerous times, the word he uses don't just mean strongest. And the point the creator made was that Sephiroth was the strongest character in the FFVII verse in battle, don't deny the damn facts that were given to you on a silver plattered interveiw.

can you dig this interview up please? i cannot be expected to know the translation, i dont read Japanese or whatever it is, nor do i have recent knowledge of what your talking of

ive read the one that says something like "Sephiroths will is strong, nothngs above him" or something like that, can you show me the one your talking of please?

Originally posted by Burning thought
can you dig this interview up please? i cannot be expected to know the translation, i dont read Japanese or whatever it is, nor do i have recent knowledge of what your talking of

ive read the one that says something like "Sephiroths will is strong, nothngs above him" or something like that, can you show me the one your talking of please?

-.- Are you getting dumber or is it just me?

You know damn well that the creator ment to say that Sephiroth would beat Weiss or Chaos or whoever else. You're abusing the translation. And if you think Weiss would beat Sephiroth, then sorry to say, but you're just a complete idiot.

The interveiw i'm talking about is of course the same one that your supposedly read.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
-.- Are you getting dumber or is it just me?

You know damn well that the creator ment to say that Sephiroth would beat Weiss or Chaos or whoever else. You're abusing the translation. And if you think Weiss would beat Sephiroth, then sorry to say, but you're just a complete idiot.

The interveiw i'm talking about is of course the same one that your supposedly read.

no your just getting more aggressive it seems "shrug"

do i know damn well? wtf, how can i know damn well something he didnt say, if he says nothing is above sephiroths will then so be it.....all it sounds like ot me is that hes more powerful than the rest, not that hes just undefeatable full stop, and why would i be an idiot? a guy with a longer sword VS a guy who to all shown evidence seems far faster than Sephiroth.....only assumtions can put Sephiroth higher speed than Weiss so far which Gives the faster weiss with duel blades (altho i must say bad sword skills) at a chance at taking out Sephiroth

a long time ago read thats for sure, can you show me this again please and ill reread it and maybe change my mind?

Originally posted by Burning thought
no your just getting more aggressive it seems "shrug"

do i know damn well? wtf, how can i know damn well something he didnt say, if he says nothing is above sephiroths will then so be it.....all it sounds like ot me is that hes more powerful than the rest, not that hes just undefeatable full stop, and why would i be an idiot? a guy with a longer sword VS a guy who to all shown evidence seems far faster than Sephiroth.....only assumtions can put Sephiroth higher speed than Weiss so far

a long time ago read thats for sure, can you show me this again please and ill reread it and maybe change my mind?

Well lets see, there have been severalthread with Sephiroth in it where this very subejct has been talked about and acknowledged that Sephiroth 1 on 1 would beat anyone from FFVII. And i swear you yoyrself have been in atleast one of them. So i'm thinking you already know this.....

I'm not digging it up, you want to know, you dig it up. As apparenbtly you're the only one who doesn't know this, it would be a waste of space for everyone else.