Ryu Hayabusa v.s. KH Sephiroth

Originally posted by Csdabest
1. I have advent Children. Cloud was not damaged at all did sephiroth stabbed him in the shoulder.

2. Talking while fighting doesnt mean you are barely trying.

3. Sephiroth wanted to make Cloud suffer and your not gonna make someone suffer by doing nothing.

4. It was still an intense fight. NO ONE KNOWS HOW OR WHY sephiroth is the strongest in VII.

5. The reason I stated that your estimation is bad is because since you dont know sephiroths full potential nor does anyone you cant give an estimation like that when you havent seen him on full. Its like giving an estimation on a jar of jelly beans when you havent seen the jar or the beans yet.

Estimations are bad when you have no base to place that estimation on. Just like opinion can be wrong if a person is misinformed on the subject or is challenging or contractdicting fact with an opinion. Which is why 10% is a bad Estimation. Or any estimation you or anyone else can really come up with.

Do you know what FF7:ACC is? Guess not, thats why i posted the video for you to see.

Talking while fighting shows that he is not taking the fight too seriously, it was even stated in the ultimania guide that Sephiroth did not exert himself a bit during that fight

He was obviously provoking him, he couldve killed him, but chose not to, he wanted to mamke him suffer, instead he just kept saying things like "How about i give you a present? How about despair?" or "What do you charish most? Ill be glad to take it away from you" Just to rub it in Clouds face that hes going to take away everything he charishes and let him know that

Sephiroth is stated by the creatorts to be the most powerful character, nothing is above him, he took control over a good portion of the planets power, with a gesture he was able to cover all of midgar with the negative lifestream, created a plague, created beings that are very powerful on their own, in FF7(a weaker sephiroth) he was able to hold back Holy(powerful enough to destroy the planet) throughout the game, he was shown to go intangable, at the end of AC he even said that he was going to turn the planet into his own vessel with the negative lifestream and soar the cosmos.

Sephiroth didnt even use any powers against Cloud, all he did was straight up melee battle him, and even in sword to sword fight he still didnt exert himself, and yet that was enough to kill Cloud, he couldve fatally stabbed him but he chose just to stab him and lift him up in the air to taunt him some more. If Sephiroth fought with an intent to kill using all of his powers, it should be more then enough to kill 10+ more Clouds.

That doesnt represent fighting skill. You have never seen sephiroth fight at full. so you cant give an estimate. Yes they said he was powerful than everyone. everyone know thats already. Just because he said and just beause he didnt stab him in the heart doesnt indicate he was only going around 10%. So untill you see sephiroth fight at 100% you can give an estimate on how what he was going at,. and yes I seen the video. NO there are no bruises on or cuts except for when sephiroth stabbed him.

Show me where you are comaring this 10% sephiroth too. Because Sephiroth has never been seen going at 100%. So once again. You estimation means nothing because you cant base it off of nothing.

oh yeah. and the reason he just didnt kill him. Is because he wanted to make him suffer. So now he didnt just kill him cuz he wasnt trying. He was trying to make him suffer. Not trying to kill him

NO there are no bruises on or cuts except for when sephiroth stabbed him.

Sephiroth didnt even have a mark on him

In the fight Cloud vs Sephiroth, he just used hand2hand, and didnt even try at that either, Sephiroth didnt use ANY of his powers, he has the power of the lifestream, can destroy just about anything, he has TK powerful enough to hold back holy and bring down tops of buildings effortlessly, and even magic he didnt use.. and still Sephiroth just fighting hand2hand with little effort was enough to kill Cloud, which is why i say if Sephiroth went all out 100% it should be enough to kill 10+ Clouds, if you do the math, it should mean that during that fight Sephiroth was probably going about 10%.. i say ESTIMATION for a reason.

Dirt marks. And romprevious fights. You forget cloud fought 4 previous fghtsright before sephiroth. All intense. Either way Your estimation is basd on BS snce you have never seen sephiorth at 100%. Its ok to say Freiza was at 10% becuase he showed and told yo each level he was at. So you can correctly judge But sephiroth now. he just fought. He didnt even said he wasnt trying. The creators just said he was the most powerful. and most likel he reason of that is because he has control ove a portion of the lifesteam. That doesnt men he has super strength, super speed, super indurance, and some other super attacks that he has never shown. Anything else will be pure fanboy speculation. So no you can be going 100 and not sweat. Speciallyif yuour going up ginst someone who i muh weaker than you and cloud was obviously much weaker than Sephroth.

So again. Compare that 10% Sephiroth estimation to a sephiorth who is at 100 percent. So far sephiroth has shown a constant at which he fight. ZFrom the Crisis Core, Adven Childen, Final Order, and the Genesis/Angeal fight. He basicly is the same in all the fights. So wouldnt that mean that is his level at which he fights at. Powers dont just enhance the flesh internally. Havig control over the lifestream is enough to make a character the strongest in the unierse.

But yeah. Once again you cant give an estimate like that. much less any estimate cuz no one sen sephiroth fightharder than that

If Seph's the most powerful being in FF7 and fought Chaos Vincent like that, he would get his ass kicked. Same with Omega.
DIRT MARKS!!!!! OMG Why the hell would those be dirt marks.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Dirt marks. And romprevious fights. You forget cloud fought 4 previous fghtsright before sephiroth. All intense. Either way Your estimation is basd on BS snce you have never seen sephiorth at 100%. Its ok to say Freiza was at 10% becuase he showed and told yo each level he was at. So you can correctly judge But sephiroth now. he just fought. He didnt even said he wasnt trying. The creators just said he was the most powerful. and most likel he reason of that is because he has control ove a portion of the lifesteam. That doesnt men he has super strength, super speed, super indurance, and some other super attacks that he has never shown. Anything else will be pure fanboy speculation. So no you can be going 100 and not sweat. Speciallyif yuour going up ginst someone who i muh weaker than you and cloud was obviously much weaker than Sephroth.

So again. Compare that 10% Sephiroth estimation to a sephiorth who is at 100 percent. So far sephiroth has shown a constant at which he fight. ZFrom the Crisis Core, Adven Childen, Final Order, and the Genesis/Angeal fight. He basicly is the same in all the fights. So wouldnt that mean that is his level at which he fights at. Powers dont just enhance the flesh internally. Havig control over the lifestream is enough to make a character the strongest in the unierse.

But yeah. Once again you cant give an estimate like that. much less any estimate cuz no one sen sephiroth fightharder than that

Cloud was unscratched from his previous fights, and wouldnt it be kinda weird that only Cloud gets "dirt marks" and not Sephiroth? And if i remember correctly when they were talking about ACC they talked about Cloud and bruises/scratches in his fight against Sephiroth.

I estimate Sephiroth at 100%, we know the powers of sephiroth, we know what the powers are capable of doing, we know Sephiroth is more powerful then Chaos, Omega, WEAPONs, Weiss, Minerva, i estimate the handicap he gave himself, and what he limited himself too, he didnt use ANY powers, except a little TK for fun, and he only did melee, at which he didnt even exert himself.

Im sure anyone with knowledge of Sephiroth would agree that if he fought at 100% with an intent to kill using all of his powers, he can kill atleast 10+ Clouds.

So far sephiroth has shown a constant at which he fight. ZFrom the Crisis Core, Adven Childen, Final Order, and the Genesis/Angeal fight.

Csdabest is onto something here, everything about Sephiroth being the most powerful being, may all be down to the fact he has control over the nagative lifestream, nothing to do with spells, power, strength or speed at all, that as Csdabest says sounds like blatent assumptions and fanlove all the way through

can someone prove evidence he is the most powerful in the FF world before he has the lfiestream, i mean its obvious afer corrupting it and when hes got the thing with him, hes likely more powerful than anything in FF because everything in FF gains power from the stream...he could likely take that power away or make them rejoin with it, more speculation but its a good one, why cant i specualte if Sephiroth fans can 😉

but Csdabest brings a good point, perhaps its only because he has the negative ifestream he is powerful, because thats where everything in FF gets power from, so technically, in the face of others in fiction, he would be nothing in comparison to them, maybe even this Ryu (KH sephiroth version may be, its diffrent, which makes me wonder but hell, off-topic is fun and meaningful sometimes) is stronger than AC sephiroth quite comfortably, none of his power is anything to do with the Lifestream, does seph even get it as default part of his power in debates?

"Zack was chosen as the main character as a representative of a BC era SOLDIER. Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth, and we couldn't possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses"

-Tetsuya Nomura

Yet another quote of him stating Sephiroth is the strongest in the world, this is BEFORE he had the negative lifestream.

That's in the FFVII universe.

In an interveiw he was said to be the strongest, fastest, skillful and most enduring.

Look at Chaos vincent's speed and Omega's strength, now you're going to say that's not powerful?

I'm not saying that he's not powerful, I think Seph and Zomulgustav are smexy but that interview applies to the FFVII universe.

Originally posted by Sol Valentine
That's in the FFVII universe.

Yes.. who said it wasnt?

Thing is i only saw an interview have DC saying that he was the most powerful character iun the game, That they couldnt make a character anymore powerful. Because you never ever see sephiroth going as fast as Omega or Chaos. So you really cant give a feat sephiroth a feat for something he has never done

Originally posted by Csdabest
Thing is i only saw an interview have DC saying that he was the most powerful character iun the game, That they couldnt make a character anymore powerful. Because you never ever see sephiroth going as fast as Omega or Chaos. So you really cant give a feat sephiroth a feat for something he has never done

by the same logic Organization XIII gets solo'd by an ant. No one has ever seen them kill one.

The Interview he says Sephiroth is "stronger" this is a mistranslation as i have said many times. The word he uses is a term used to describe a warrior, it means faster, strong, skillful and endurance.

Don't shift around given facts, tis lame

Do you read japanese. No so hush. You said mistranslation. That means the trranslation you got can be wrong as well. He didnt say faster,skillful, and endurance.

Also the rebuttal of my logic i have presented is silly. saiying OXIII gets soloed by an ant. Your talking foolish now. What can a ant do. Lift up to 10x its body weight. The organization has elemental and astranomical power. The organization has way more mass that 10x an ant size. And ants are known to get squished. Stop talking foolish.

Also how in the world do you know what he meant. did you ask. Like always fanboy assumption. Its states powerful. I have seen on multiple sites the same interview and the majority translation said powerful, while yes a few did say stronger. But once again. The only thing we have seen is the negative lifestream. As we know is extremely powerful. Which should put sephiroth above anyone in that universe. As it said in another interview. That no one in FVII is above him he is the most powerful characeter in the game.

Once again. Provide visual proof that sephiroth is faster than omega or chaos. Or has shown more skill then he has already shown. Why would they make such a bold statement in most likely his last showing, if he could move faster, and use more skill? Stop being foolish.

well ime with Csdabest still, ive not seen any feats from sephiroth at all rly, nothing special in speed or strength and ive seen the words "powerful" used for him also

and i think its all because of negative stream hes so high in AC, thats all, apart from that hes just a enhanced soldier, without Neg lifestream Omega would douche the guy and so would vincent imo, theyve shown feats

Originally posted by Csdabest
Do you read japanese. No so hush.

Nihongo o hanashimasu ka?

Nihongo o sukoshi hanashimasu, dou itashimashite

Originally posted by Csdabest
Do you read japanese. No so hush. You said mistranslation. That means the trranslation you got can be wrong as well. He didnt say faster,skillful, and endurance.

Also the rebuttal of my logic i have presented is silly. saiying OXIII gets soloed by an ant. Your talking foolish now. What can a ant do. Lift up to 10x its body weight. The organization has elemental and astranomical power. The organization has way more mass that 10x an ant size. And ants are known to get squished. Stop talking foolish.

Also how in the world do you know what he meant. did you ask. Like always fanboy assumption. Its states powerful. I have seen on multiple sites the same interview and the majority translation said powerful, while yes a few did say stronger. But once again. The only thing we have seen is the negative lifestream. As we know is extremely powerful. Which should put sephiroth above anyone in that universe. As it said in another interview. That no one in FVII is above him he is the most powerful characeter in the game.

Once again. Provide visual proof that sephiroth is faster than omega or chaos. Or has shown more skill then he has already shown. Why would they make such a bold statement in most likely his last showing, if he could move faster, and use more skill? Stop being foolish.

The statement that Sephiroth is more powerful than anything in FFVII pretty much proves that if you were to ask the creators or if they were to make a film of Sephiroth fighting anything else in FFVII while not holding back, Sephiroth would win.

This does not confirm that he has greater stats (such as speed, strength, etc.) than characters like Chaos or Weiss. It could, but we could only assume. Once again, it just means he would beat them. God only (and I guess the creators) know how that would happen.

As in my given opinion earlier, any version of Sephiroth should take this 70% at least, meaning, yes, Ryu could win some bouts (with the True Dragon Sword).

Originally posted by Terryc250
"Zack was chosen as the main character as a representative of a BC era SOLDIER. Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there's no room for growth, and we couldn't possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses"

-Tetsuya Nomura

Yet another quote of him stating Sephiroth is the strongest in the world, this is BEFORE he had the negative lifestream.

Sephiroth was the only SOLDIER that was infused with the cells at birth, thats why he has the powerful mind, in a way he literally is Jenova's son.

Now, humans infused with cells of Jenova become super humans, just some cells of jenova are able to turn humans into beings like Zack and Cloud, with monstrous speed and strength.

Weiss, gained his powers from his body being exposed to lifestream/mako(lifestream in liquid form) for a long period, thats how he got so fast

Sephiroth in AC is 100% JENOVA AND LIFESTREAM, he was no human at all.

Even though all we see is him toying around in AC, he creates beings (much weaker aspects of himself)that are comparable speed to Weiss, in FF7 there were parts where Sephiroth teleports and thats a weaker incarnatation of AC Sephiroth, even in Kingdom Hearts, Sephiroth teleports, why would Tetsuya make Sephiroth teleport in KH, if the strongest version of Sephiroth(AC Sephiroth) is unable to? Thats why i think its safe to assume Sephiroth is atleast as fast as Weiss