Old beyonder being more powerful than living tribunal.....purely speculation...never fought......we do know that living tribunal and friends did fight thanos with HOTU and lost ..easily.....we also know that even though it was implied that the living tribunal was more powerful than the infinity gauntlet..that was never proven as Adam Warlock gave up the gems voluntarily ...
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Originally posted by lannfearOld beyonder being more powerful than living tribunal.....
purely speculation...never fought......
They never fought, because the LT didn't dare raise a finger,
on panel he was literally "desperate" and even "trembled" with the rest of the hierarchy.
Literally "trembled" ... 😂
Originally posted by lannfearwe do know that living tribunal
and friends did fight thanos with HOTU and lost ..easily.....
Originally posted by lannfearwe also know
that even though it was implied that the living tribunal was more powerful than the infinity gauntlet..
that was never proven as Adam Warlock gave up the gems voluntarily ...
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Actually on panel the LT, with a gesture, stopped Warlock's IG attack:
(an attack that obliterated Eternity and the rest of the Hierarchy)
With a gesture, Stopped, and simultaneously LT recreates everyone with the same gesture.
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Official Marvel Handbooks of 2006 solidify the LT's superiority over the IG:
During that issue the LT clearly displayed dominance,
at the beginning, and at the end,
this is why the bio clearly tells us,
"the Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power surpassed that of the Gems"
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The bio tells us the LT ordered Warlock, and Warlock obeyed:
On Panel confirmation:
Originally posted by fangirl101the beyonder never fought anyone of notable power except the molecule man.
and he never fought anyone of notable power.
But Molecule Man is the character of most notable power.
MM was more powerful than the LT,
the LT stepped aside when MM arrived,
the whole Hierarchy was happy when MM arrived,
they thought they were saved:
(Beyonder had just erased Death from All of Marvel)
So defeating MM, also "easily," meant everything.
Originally posted by fangirl101so how are we to gage his powers?
On Panel: (one or all three in combination can be used)
1. By looking at what they've done. (feats)
2. By looking at what's been said about them. (statements)
3. By looking at what the Writer (directly) has said about them. (Marvel reputable sources)
Bio: (only as a secondary source that strengthens the On Panel evidence)
1. By looking at how the official Marvel Handbook corroborates the on panel depictions.
2. By looking at how Marvel.com interprets the On Panel proof.
3. By looking at how Marvunapp may have interpreted it. (has to match on panel artwork)
Originally posted by fangirl101any thing he did, thanos with the heart could do.
Originally posted by fangirl101this fight is inconclusive or a tie.
Although I could argue on Beyonder's behalf as having the grander feat.
Which was,
creating an Infinity trillions upon trillions of times more infinite than the infinite Prime Multiverse.
Also, possessing Millions of times more power than the rest of the Multiverse combined,
is uberdiculous.
To this day, all the Cosmic power in Marvel is concentrated around the Prime Multiverse,
to this day,
the Cosmic Hierarchy has stayed virtually the same since 1985.
After New revelations were discovered!
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If yall are interested in a great discussion concerning the comparison of the Beyonder and THOTI,
yall should check this thread out:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=477511&pagenumber=10
From that page on to the last,
we had solid dialogue,
many reasons to see it either way.
Imo, I landed at a stalemate, with "buts" though that may favor the Beyonder.
Enjoy if you wish. 🙂
I respect you're method of debating Mr, but Beyonder is not close to what u r making him out to be. Dont misread bits that were clearly done to seem poetic as something more. There is really nothing to indicate that Beyonder is anything more then a powerful mutiversal guy so with that Thanos takes this on the accound of actual feats.
Originally posted by The Great GalenI respect you're method of debating Mr
Originally posted by The Great Galenbut Beyonder is not close to what u r making him out to be. [/B]
And I'm not making him out to be anything,
Marvel is responsible for that.
Marvel and Jim Shooter (Editor in-Chief of Marvel at the time and creator/writer of Secret Wars)
Originally posted by The Great GalenDont misread bits that were clearly done to seem poetic as something more. [/B]
Funny how you say, "that were clearly done to seem poetic" ...
Even though On Panel Beyonder literally scared the shit out of the LT.
Even though On Panel Beyonder had the LT "desperate"
Even though On Panel Beyonder was,
"Millions of times more powerful than the rest of Marvel combined"
Even though On Panel the Beyonder erased Death from all of Marvel, the re-created Death.
Even though On Panel Beyonder collapsed countless UniverseS,
took a blast from Molecule Man that would've obliterated several Billion entire UniverseS.
Even though Beyonder stomped Molecule Man (who was more powerful than LT)
Even though Beyonder created from nothingness a Reality quintillions of times more Infinite,
than the Infinite Marvel reality.
Meh, to name a few occurrences, all On Panel!
Originally posted by The Great GalenThere is really nothing to indicate that Beyonder is anything more then a powerful mutiversal guy so with that Thanos takes this on the accound of actual feats. [/B]
And saying there's,
"nothing to indicate that Beyonder is anything more then a powerful mutiversal guy"
simply means that this statement originated from ignorance concerning the Beyonder.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxWasn't PR Beyonder millions of times stronger than all of the Prime Multiverse combined?
But now it's being dismissed as poetry on Jim Shooter's part. 😂
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Interesting, I wonder if this is poetry too?
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The Beyonder between 1984 and 1986,
was everything outside the Marvel Multiverse, (Infinite Beyond)
was GOD before Genesis, (a Supreme Being)
and in comparison with the entire Marvel Reality the Beyond Realm was like an Ocean,
while the entire Marvel Reality was like a drop of water.
Writer's own words! ^^^ ✅
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Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)
Get's interviewed ... about the Beyonder.
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Marvel Age is an official Marvel title, created to strictly discuss Marvel stories,
and other intricacies concerning Marvel comics.
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Jim Shooter himself describes Classic Beyonder to us:
Jim states:
1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."
2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."
3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)
.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...
.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "
swank
This is why Beyonder had to be retconned, (de-powered)
simply too much grander and power.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxAlso,
I read somewhere that the Marvel Multiverse was just dreamed up by Beyonder.Is that true?
"The Mightiest beings are microbes to me"
"Reality isn't real to me! Eveything is what I say it is"
"My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable"
"All Existence, except for me, might as well be a figment of my imagination"
"I who utterly dictate All Reality"
"As long as I conceive of things, they exist, in a fashion,
because my thoughts equal Reality"
😎
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxOh, so it was just a metaphor, in that he has full control over it.
This is the best and funniest of his analogies:
😆 (yet as humorous as that is, it's speaks volumes about Beyonder's absolute power)
