Darkseid vs. Surtur

Supes is not the only one that has deflected the OE

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Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Is Surtur above Odin in power?

Pretty much.

Surtur and Odin are equal when Surtur doesn't have his sword. Surtur normally has his sword, it's like Thor and his hammer.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
How, DS is abstract level...Surtur is skyfather.

Since when is DS abstract level? laughing

Originally posted by llagrok
Pretty much.

Surtur and Odin are equal when Surtur doesn't have his sword. Surtur normally has his sword, it's like Thor and his hammer.

Surtur is older and prolly more powerful. Odin has always removed him from the battle except the time when they both 'perished'

Originally posted by Inhuman
Supes is not the only one that has deflected the OE

Who else has deflected the Omega Effect. Please enlighten us.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Bran: Come on dude. Superman is the only top tier who has ever had any kind of win over DS in a fight. And it's obvious that he was getting wanked like no tomorrow in some of those fights. To quote Galan: "When he has to be, Superman>>>>>ALL." So losing to him isn't the low showing that some would make it out to be.

And knocking some people back doesn't = him pwning them. Before anyone says anything, I'm going to re-read that story... so shut up. 😛

Also, I'm not the one who brought up Superman beating him... in fact, nvr did... but apparently he wanted to keep throwing it in my face (when I was trying to talk about other things), and Superman has gotten the upper hand on DS many times before is what I said, is it not?

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Also, does Superman 40 or whatever it is, actually equate into it being a ret-con? It explained what happened. Plus, DS has never had trouble bringing out his Omega Powers after encountering the wall... so that kind of negates it... doesn't it? 🙂

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Superman's also the only one who actually fights Darkseid out of the top tiers...
Besides Orion, who has killed him before...
Raker got the upper hand when he had a yellow suit...
Off the top of my head.

And knocking some people back doesn't = him pwning them. Before anyone says anything, I'm going to re-read that story... so shut up. 😛

Also, I'm not the one who brought up Superman beating him... in fact, nvr did... but apparently he wanted to keep throwing it in my face (when I was trying to talk about other things), and Superman has gotten the upper hand on DS many times before is what I said, is it not?

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Also, does Superman 40 or whatever it is, actually equate into it being a ret-con? It explained what happened. Plus, DS has never had trouble bringing out his Omega Powers after encountering the wall... so that kind of negates it... doesn't it? 🙂

Superman is the only top tier who can go trans in a flash. He's also the only one who steadily grows in power. IT is a bit wonkey that Superman couldn't fight DS in confidential, yet he and orion are still a match. What more crazy is that Superman could beat mantis in that Book, but Mantis is a match for the IM who has shown to be superior to superman a couple of times. All in all, you'd have to take the overall view and throw out the superman factor becuz he truly just messes up the order of things. How can he Still be equal to Orion when Orion is nothing to DS, and yet DS bitched Superman with Ease way back when? Also It says in Superman Batman 40 that DS was abarely able to manifest his Omega powers. That means every feat he did do, was under strain. I'm sure you read that and just forgot.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also It says in Superman Batman 40 that DS was abarely able to manifest his Omega powers. That means every feat he did do, was under strain. I'm sure you read that and just forgot.

What the hell are you talking about? Just because I forgot to put "before" after I said that means nothing... especially when I mention it weakened him a couple hours ago.

Anyway, to reiterate. DS has never had trouble bringing out his Omega before Superman/Batman after encountering the Wall. Which sort of means that it was only that one occurrence that did it.

Plus, I also believe he was stuck in the wall for like a year... which could make this time different even if it was a ret-con.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That first part is completely irrelevant...

What the hell are you talking about? Just because I forgot to put "before" after I said that means nothing... especially when I mention it weakened him a couple hours ago.

Anyway, to reiterate. DS has never had trouble bringing out his Omega before Superman/Batman after encountering the Wall. Which sort of means that it was only that one occurrence that did it.

Plus, I also believe he was stuck in the wall for like a year... which could make this time different even if it was a ret-con.

Originally posted by Rewmac
True. But Surtur kinda killed Odin, and Odin is on DS's level in my point of view and what I've seen from both of them so far.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That first part is completely irrelevant...

What the hell are you talking about? Just because I forgot to put "before" after I said that means nothing... especially when I mention it weakened him a couple hours ago.

Anyway, to reiterate. DS has never had trouble bringing out his Omega before Superman/Batman after encountering the Wall. Which sort of means that it was only that one occurrence that did it.

Plus, I also believe he was stuck in the wall for like a year... which could make this time different even if it was a ret-con.

IT's a retcon of explaining why he wasn't portrayed as powerful as he used to be. I'll have to put together a time line in order to get the facts right.

Hold it. I think see where he's going with this. Do we have any kind of a timeline as to when S/B 25 occured? Because accordiing to the retcon in S/B 40, ever since S/B 25, DS has been depowered.

Nvr, it's a stretch to say that he's been zapped everytime he was on the wall, but when did S/B 25 occur as far as the rest of DCU? Or does this whole thing mean that S/B is non-canon or canon only unto itself?

Originally posted by Kutulu
Since when is DS abstract level? laughing

Since the Great Galen said so, fool.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hold it. I think see where he's going with this. Do we have any kind of a timeline as to when S/B 25 occured? Because accordiing to the retcon in S/B 40, ever since S/B 25, DS has been depowered.

Nvr, it's a stretch to say that he's been zapped everytime he was on the wall, but when did S/B 25 occur as far as the rest of DCU? Or does this whole thing mean that S/B is non-canon or canon only unto itself?

See that is the thing, Superman Batman's time line is way off if we go by actual monthly's. We need to establish the time line of when DS was actually put on the wall. It could have happened along time ago for all we know. I don't have access to all of those comics right now. I'm sure Desaad would be of assistance. I'll send him a pm.

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Since the Great Galen said so, fool.

Surtur is a supreme being, FOO'

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hold it. I think see where he's going with this. Do we have any kind of a timeline as to when S/B 25 occured? Because accordiing to the retcon in S/B 40, ever since S/B 25, DS has been depowered.

Nvr, it's a stretch to say that he's been zapped everytime he was on the wall, but when did S/B 25 occur as far as the rest of DCU? Or does this whole thing mean that S/B is non-canon or canon only unto itself?

Moron. We know it's canon. 😉 WHEN did it happen, not IF, is the question. You'd know that if you could actually read.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Moron. We know it's canon. 😉 WHEN did it happen, not IF, is the question. You'd know that if you could actually read.