Originally posted by darthgoober
My scans don't state that strength isn't a factor, they state that there's something else at work. Again, I can totally understand how someone might interpret the scans I post to mean that strength's not a factor, but now you're arguing over interpretation of the scans and my opinion is just as valid as yours on the matter. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, but I'll continue to post my scans as evidence until a rule is passed against posting scans from Byrne. And I can almost guarantee that such a policy will never be put into place because it means people will start shouting for similar policies instituted against Loeb, Enis, or any other author that they don't like and can come up with a half assed reason supported by two scans for their work to be considered completely rectonned.Let me try to point out what's wrong with what you're wanting to do by throwing out feats from the Bryne's era using a slightly different example. Supes has FTL feats to his credit, right? Well Mcduffie says that Supes can't even hit lightspeed without entering hyperspace, and if we use your system of throwing out everything that might be rectonned, it means that if Mcduffie ever gets around to putting Supes using hyperspace in a comic we'll have to throw out EVERY single speed feat of Supes's from before Mcduffie took over since the nature of Supes's speed has been effectively rectonned. And it doesn't matter if later writers of Supes give him speed feats that justify the FTL feats right along the same lines as the Pre-Mcduffie feats(just as later writers attributed Supes's powers to telekinesis in a manner similar to Byrne) because according to the standard you're espousing, those feats will still have been rectonned at one point and will therefore never be applicable again. Now do you see the problem here? You posted two scans that kinda contradict the scans I posted and think it's enough to throw out the whole period, but no one in their right mind is going to agree with a precedent that would allow TWO instances from Mcduffie to alter everything about the character.
Unless they've rectonned the actual story that my scans took place in, it means that Supes still moved that ship with his strength being canceled out by the nullifiers. That means that my scans are still valid evidence of Supes's flight being a potential factor when he's moving something while flying. And if you're assuming that the story's been rectonned out of continuity just because Byrne was the writer, it means that ALL of Bryne's stories have been rectonned out of continuity(so my example of Matrix is valid).
So you're ignoring my scan and taking only yours into consideration because it's more ambigous since it says 'something other than strength' and you can twist its meaning to somehow support your non-existing argument, eventough the scan I posted is from the same era (Byrne era) written by the same author (Byrne) concerning the same ability (flying) and how it affects lifting things while in air for Superman (it makes it so that strength is not a factor) only mine is more clear in the sense that it's formulated in such a way that it makes it clear strength is not a factor point blank. Not to mention that even if we take only your scan (which is illogical) since his strengh was negated and he still moved the thing while flying, it still shows what my scan does (and logically so since they are the same thing), which is that strength is not a factor when moving things while flying. I'm speechless. Really.
I don't care what McDuffie says on some Message Board, I care for what he depicted on-panel, and what he depicted on-panel was that Superman can achieve FTL and nothing about Hyperspace was ever stated/shown. Not to mention he got kicked off the title so the chances of that happening are none. And even if that were the case, no, I don't see what the problem is. Currently it is stated that Superman works that way and for the forseeable future, that's the way they will work until another writer takes over and changes the nature of his powers again. It doesn't retconn the entire period, only that specified ability (like in this case not needing strength when moving objects while flying) and makes it non-applicable to current Superman, it doesn't retconn everything that has happened during that period. We mostly take it one at a time because if we apply the domino effect it will get us nowhere.
