Originally posted by Galan007
"That's all"..?Heh, some things never change.
Originally posted by Galan007
Which is sad, because it *used to be* a great idea until recently, when people began using it solely to downplay characters they don't care for.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nah, leave it open. I'm enjoying it for the lulz.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This thread is pretty much turning into a lowball thread.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Because you said all he did to the solar system was the stuff with the planets.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI don't think you know what that word means. Or you don't know what the word 'passive aggressive' means.
Irony. 😂
Abhi is anything but passive.
I hope everybody realises that low-balling or not, abhi is the only one here who actually posted arguments/scans, and the rest are just trolling him, right? If you're just mad, but unable to back up your case [i.e. what Thor fans seem to be doing], then stand down. If you're mad, but able to back up your case, then do so.
Anything else is just useless poster-attacking and thread-derailing. Abhi should go on a reporting spree, and he'd be right to do so.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I don't think you know what that word means. Or you don't know what the word 'passive aggressive' means.Abhi is anything but passive.
I hope everybody realises that low-balling or not, abhi is the only one here who actually posted arguments/scans, and the rest are just trolling him, right? If you're just mad, but unable to back up your case [i.e. what Thor fans seem to be doing], then stand down. If you're mad, but able to back up your case, then do so.
Anything else is just useless poster-attacking and thread-derailing. Abhi should go on a reporting spree, and he'd be right to do so.
Not sure how disagreeing with his "mythbusting" or pointing out that he's low-balling is "trolling", "poster-attacking", or "thread-derailing" at all. Also not sure how any of it is report spree worthy, but I'm sure we all appreciate your white knighting of Abhi and backseat modding. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B] Thor corps bolstered the boundaries of multiverse with a combined Godblast
... [/B]
Busting the "Myth Buster"
Thor and the Thor Corps certainly did bolster the boundaries of the multiverse and if anyone has actually read the Thor Corps mini in particular, it's quite obvious that the threat of Demonstaff was beyond universal.
Let's look at multiple scans specifically pointing out the scope and threat level of Demonstaff's actions.
Here, Demonstaff mentions how he doubts the Thor Corps could save the multiverse due to his control of the staff he wields.
Here, after the Thor Corps save the day, we very clearly see Kargul sentencing Demonstaff for his crimes; crimes which spawned countless crises over infinite worlds. He even states "the multiverse may never recover". That's two specific mentions of the word "multiverse" in this story.
Another scan to showcase that Kargul's not just speaking in hyperbole, he states that parallel worlds - as in more than one - are melting into one another and the dimensional barriers are falling apart. More evidence to point to this being a simple universal matter.
This scan further elaborates on Demonstaff's origins and motivations. As a scientist, he was working on developing a way to explore alternate worlds and parallel realities, but the experiment gone wrong, which ultimately resulted in him becoming Demonstaff and having the ability to alter space and time across mulitple realities. Again, not just one.
As Demonstaff destroys and breaks down the walls of multiple dimensions, he specifically mentions parallel worlds. Again, as in more than one. The amount of on panel evidence supporting this being a multiversal threat are so numerous the fact that it's seriously being argued as only universal is baffling and quite sad of an attempt of lowballing.
It can't get clearer than this. "Universes will die! Entire dimensions will cease to exist!
Here, Demonstaff again goes on about how he wants to lay waste to "myriad dimensions" and destroy ALL of reality. Not just a single universe.
Eventually, Demonstaff has a change of heart and seeks to attone for the damage he spawned across "myriad realities". At this point, it should be painfully and laughably obvious that this is multiversal shit we're talking about here, not universal.
There's more scans I could upload to further pile on evidence supporting Demonstaff threatening/effecting the multiverse as a whole instead of a single universe - far more evidence than there is to somehow twist or "interpret" this only being universal in scope - but I think I made my case. Anyone is welcome to read the whole series to come to the logical conclusion of the level of danger the Thor Corps were dealing with.
And as far as Thor is concerned...
Look at the dialogue. Thor clearly recognizes both Bill and Eric Masterson. That alone should speak volumes as to him being 616 Thor. Whether it's Thor from before Blood and Thunder/Warrior Madness or after is irrelevant as it's the real original deal. Trying to pawn it off as it being "non-canon" to Thor or that it somehow doesn't count is ridiculous. When Zarko pulled Loki (who was dead at the time) from the time stream to confront the Thor Corps, it was still 616 Loki and as such possessed of the same powers and abilities as Loki before he died. The Thor Corps not knowing from what exact time period Thor would be hailing from when they summoned him doesn't mean that the actions Thor performed in the story don't "count" and it's ridiculous and disingenious to paint it as such.
In short:
Demonstaff certainly wrecked the walls of multiple universe and was repeatedly stated, either by himself, Kargul, or narration to be a multiversal threat. Certainly the world "universe" is used in the story, but the frequency of the word "multiverse" and the plural forms of worlds, realities, dimensions, etc. all support that the Thor Corps saved the multiverse by bolstering its collapsing walls. The lowballing of Demonstaff and his power by implying the "walls aren't that tough" is just that: lowballing.
And the Thor pulled from the time stream was 616 Thor and as such, makes the feat "count" for him. The fact he rejoiced over seeing Eric and Bill further verifies this as well as the fact that he didn't have any external amps or staggering differences to his character or pertinent knowledge of major future events (ie. foreshadowing Masterson's death).
"Mythbuster" busted.
Ah, all right.
While I am convinced that the entire multiverse was at risk, which is a hell of a feat, I'm not sold on it being 616 Thor. Am I missing something? I mean recognising Bill and Masterson is all good and well, but they could exist in alternate realities, could they?
It does seem like writer intent was for it to be 616 Thor, but I don't know if that's enough to make it indisputable.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Ah, all right.While I am convinced that the entire multiverse was at risk, which is a hell of a feat, I'm not sold on it being 616 Thor. Am I missing something? I mean recognising Bill and Masterson is all good and well, but they could exist in alternate realities, could they?
It does seem like writer intent was for it to be 616 Thor, but I don't know if that's enough to make it indisputable.
At this time, Blood and Thunder was going on, which was why Masterson was wary of them summoning Thor as they could have gotten psycho Thor instead of normal Thor. Sure, Bill and Masterson could exist in alternate realities and they could have summoned a Thor from a reality/alternate timeline that wasn't 616, but the reason why we should believe it was 616 Thor was because of the fact DeFalco wanted to use Thor in this story, but there was the B&T crossover going on at the time. Them mentioning Blood and Thunder was DeFalco's way of acknowledging the current events in Thor/Infinity Watch without being bound by them.
In any case, they could have gotten Thor during Blood and Thunder, before it, or after it....which is still 616 Thor.
And even if we can prove it's not 616 Thor definitively, the fact that it was 616 Thunderstrike, 616 Beta Ray Bill, and Dargo Ktor (who's not a 616 character) performing the feat alongside Thor should clearly show us that 616 Thor can definitely perform the same feat if placed in the same position. I mean, Mjolnir and Thor are at least equal to Stormbreaker and Bill and flat out superior to Thunderstrike and Masterson, and there's nothing to believe that this Thor was any stronger or weaker than normal in this story. He just wasn't bat shit insane.
In fact, trying to spin this feat so that it's not usable to 616 Thor doesn't even make sense per the context of this mini-series.
Originally posted by -Pr-
That's a good point about the "If Bill can do it, there's no reason Thor can't", I'll grant you that.Is there any kind of link to where DeFalco says he wanted to use 616 Thor?
I know that all of Bill/Thor's feats aren't universally interchangable, too, but in the case of this specific instance, it'd be downright laughable and illogical alike to argue that it's not applicable to Thor, especially when someone significantly weaker such as Thunderstrike is able to contribute to the feat. Even if you disagree with Bill and Thor being equals or that Thor should be able to do anything Bill does, there's absolutely no reason that 616 Thor can't perform what Dargo and Eric did - assuming it was an alternate reality/universe Thor instead of a displaced one.
No interview that I know of, but the inferred intent is pretty easy to pick up. The nature of the story line with timelines and realities being skewed allowed DeFalco an easy explanation and way to use Thor without messing up the likes of what was going on at time in the form of the Blood and Thunder crossover and still keep things in continuity. The event even resolves nicely at the end with everyone being in their original locations prior to Demonstaff's assault.
You could argue against it being 616 Thor and arguing that the feat isn't applicable to him, but really, it wouldn't even begin to make sense. It's no different from DeFalco using a time displaced Loki because he was currently "dead" in earlier issues of Thor or a WWII Era Captain America being thrown into the present via Avengers/Invaders. There's absolutely no logical idea to suggest that feat doesn't apply to Thor.
Personally, I don't like to interchange feats between characters just because they are supposed to be peers. I would like to think that they are close but when on debate I try to stay away from those situations.
I have said before that being a peer is very wide term.
and while I thought the feat was nice, I just mentioned things in the context that I personally consider important when presenting this feat. Besides when this feat was presented by on a debate I was involved, I felt that it was cleverly worded to make it sound more than what it really was.
But for sure that it will be nice for the marvel universe to explain all this facts in this comic book, because like I said before BRB should have been KOed on issue 3 and 4 and Thor is from somewhere where realities may have similarities or from 616, who knows.
What is clear to me is that the writer should have keep better tabs on the characters He was working with.
Lol, I can't believe you bothered with replying Jake, but kudos.
Not really debatable that the Multiverse was in danger. Regarding Thor, the summoning from somewhere in the past/future was a workaround because current Thor was in Blood and Thunder mode alone should make it clear what he was going for. But whatever, DeFalco visits boards sometimes, I could try and ask him.
His intent is pretty obvious though, if people trying to invalidate it are so dead set on it, I doubt his words will deter them. I'll get the Thor Corps issues today and look for anything I can add.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAbhi is certainly not being 'attacked'. If he were, Pr(one of the most unbiased/fair mods on this site) wouldn't have toyed with the notion of requesting this thread be closed secondary to the needless hate/low-balling that has clearly been going on.
Not sure how disagreeing with his "mythbusting" or pointing out that he's low-balling is "trolling", "poster-attacking", or "thread-derailing" at all. Also not sure how any of it is report spree worthy, but I'm sure we all appreciate your white knighting of Abhi and backseat modding. 👆
Example:
Posting scans of Majestic physically moving multiple planets, altering the entire composition of Jupiter at the atomic level via HV, creating a duplicate sun via HV+a star ingot, dismantling Saturn's rings piece-by-piece, moving several moon-sized asteroids near earth and transforming them into planet-orbiting rings via HV, pushing a planet-sized asteroid into the solar system, and transforming a singular star into a binary star via magical rituals... And then saying: "that's all", as if the aforementioned feats are something that any random feeb can accomplish. If he didn't mean to make it sound like he was low-balling with that post, he failed miserably.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankGiven the scans you posted, it seem overtly clear that Demonstaff was a multiversal power. "The multiverse may never recover from your actions! You have spawned countless crises over infinite worlds!" That's as clear-cut as evidence can get.
In short:Demonstaff certainly wrecked the walls of multiple universe and was repeatedly stated, either by himself, Kargul, or narration to be a multiversal threat. Certainly the world "universe" is used in the story, but the frequency of the word "multiverse" and the plural forms of worlds, realities, dimensions, etc. all support that the Thor Corps saved the multiverse by bolstering its collapsing walls. The lowballing of Demonstaff and his power by implying the "walls aren't that tough" is just that: lowballing.
And the Thor pulled from the time stream was 616 Thor and as such, makes the feat "count" for him. The fact he rejoiced over seeing Eric and Bill further verifies this as well as the fact that he didn't have any external amps or staggering differences to his character or pertinent knowledge of major future events (ie. foreshadowing Masterson's death).
Still not sure it was 616 Thor, though. However, even if it wasn't 616 Thor, it really doesn't matter in the long run. BRB was one of the Thor-lites present whose hammer-energies were used to help preform the feat in question-- and it has been solidified multiple times that Stormbreaker=Mjolnir in every sense of the word:
http://s673.photobucket.com/user/galanphotos/media/brb_stormbreaker8.jpg.html
http://s673.photobucket.com/user/galanphotos/media/brb_stormbreaker9.jpg.html
The only difference is that Thor has historically used nearly every exotic/esoteric ability Mjolnir has to offer, while Bill rarely ever uses Stormbreaker in such ways. That said, I'd certainly hope we aren't trying to imply that Stormbreaker is capable of releasing energies beyond the scope of Mjolnir? That'd be utterly retarded.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIf you say he's low-balling, prove it. If you say he didn't 'bust a myth', prove it. I'm asking you to be a decent poster, and not a spammer/poster troll. If you can do that, great. I don't care which side you're on. If you can't, well, then not so great.
Not sure how disagreeing with his "mythbusting" or pointing out that he's low-balling is "trolling", "poster-attacking", or "thread-derailing" at all. Also not sure how any of it is report spree worthy, but I'm sure we all appreciate your white knighting of Abhi and backseat modding. 👆
Judging by this page, you seem to have taken my advice, and actually provided arguments for your case. I haven't read them yet to judge whether you're truthful or not [and honestly, I don't care right now], but it's a step in the right direction. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007Abhi clearly adressed the "moving" part - and how rearraging the solar system wasn't done soley by that. You bringing up him doing stuff like changing jupiter at atomic level etc. further sustains abhil's point, actually, that he didn't do everything by physically moving the planets.
Example:
Posting scans of Majestic physically moving multiple planets, altering the entire composition of Jupiter at the atomic level via HV, creating a duplicate sun via HV+a star ingot, dismantling Saturn's rings piece-by-piece, moving several moon-sized asteroids near earth and transforming them into planet-orbiting rings via HV, pushing a planet-sized asteroid into the solar system, and transforming a singular star into a binary star via magical rituals... And then saying: "that's all", as if the aforementioned feats are something that any random feeb can accomplish. If he didn't mean to make it sound like he was low-balling with that post, he failed miserably.
I'm not sure what you're so mad about.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaMad? Heh, look, I get it, you're sticking up for abhi like you've done before, and that's cool. I'm just saying that his choice of verbiage is poor in the sense that he is giving nearly everyone(inc. a mod) the perception that he is low-balling some of the characters he "busts."
Abhi clearly adressed the "moving" part - and how rearraging the solar system wasn't done soley by that. You bringing up him doing stuff like changing jupiter at atomic level etc. further sustains abhil's point, actually, that he didn't do everything by physically moving the planets.I'm not sure what you're so mad about.
If his choice of words gives people this perception, then he can expect those people to respond accordingly. You commenting that abhi should report posters just because they disagree with his self-proclaimed "Mythbusts" won't change things, I'm afraid. I hope you realize that you are just as guilty as those you said abhi should report?
