Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Irony. Feel free to not break up my paragraphs into tiny fragments. I follow your lead. You want to summarize, go for it. And we're arguing Venom vs. Wolverine right now, is that it?
Since you feel so compelled to keep comparing Carnage to Venom and bringing Venom up again again and again... I guess so.
You keep grasping at Venom being an opponent for Carnage and ignoring how Venom constantly kicks his ass...
No surprise really that you'll also ignore the fact that Wolverine has 100% consistency in holding symbiote users to a standstill. But somehow Sabretooth who's better in every physical category than Wolverine is going to get curbedstomped in your opinion.... whatever.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Venom can beat opponents Carnage can't because he's smarter? Bringing up the point that Venom and Carnage match each other equates to Sabretooth winning how exactly?
Uh.. they don't match up.... Venom kicks his ass WAY more often than not AND usually under WAY worse circumstances... so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Again to the strawman?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And bullets are blunt force trauma how? And this is one instance in the face of how many contrary examples? This coming from the guy who gave me grief over Daredevil using a nerve-blow to down Wolverine for a moment? Carnage couldn't stop a needle from getting through and him being literally bullet-proof evinces no disconnect in your logic? Or maybe just that Venom stabbed the symbiote with his tremendous strength with a needle?
Bullets penetrate by overwhelming speed/force. Not cutting profeciency. Wolverine going down to a throat chop is in face of overwhelming numbers of counter evidence. Carnage...or any other symiote for that matter getting sliced/cut/orstabbed by a blade or pinpoint weapon is not. You need to read more symbiote material.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I never said Carnage's strength and agility gave him a clear advantage. In fact, that's the opposite of what I said. Thanks for missing the point. Excuse me, you just listed non-factors here. Are you forgetting Carnage's superior strength, agility, greater piercing durability AND blunt durability, ability to reform his symbiote completely from his bloodstream, ability to use his entire body as a weapon, ability to perceive his surroundings through his symbiote, and his vampiric touch?
Guess I am since Carnage has no greater agility, or piercing durability, and his blunt force durability isn't an advantage in this fight, his ability to attack with his entire body isn't a likely scenario, his perception is limited to sigh where as Sabretooth can track through sent in the dark, and his vampiric touch was only a one hit wonder....
Pretty sure none of the advantages I listed are "non-factors" and unlike yours they're actually true to character and comic fact.
but...
Nice propaganda though?... 😬
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Actually. Yes. Symbiotes have. A lot.
Uh...no....
Like when for instance?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You didn't explain crap. You focused your argument down to a single claw to his throat or gut and Carnage loses.
Nope, that'd be YOUR strawman, not MY argument.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And you give Sabretooth 5/10 how? Drop this pretense that you're arguing from a credible, unbiased viewpoint here.
Why should I? I AM arguing from a credible, unbiased viewpoint... It's quite clear I've read MANY MANY more appearances of Carnage, Venom and the related symbiotes than you have with a far greater understanding of the context of their histories mr. "Carnage has taken Venon and Spidey at the same time many times"...lol.
I've been a symbiote fan and reader longer than I ever even CARED about Sabretooth and I think even samZED can attest to that. But I can understand why you'd like to resort to ad hominum here... Ad nauseum doesn't seem to be working for you so it's time to switch gears.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The complete disconnect is sickening. Either you don't believe a single claw to his throat/gut ends the fight or you don't believe Sabretooth stalemates. Seriously. Drop the pretense. Which has also utterly ensared Spiderman. A lot. You look at any of his fights, and your backhanded estimation that he simply projects lance-type single directional attacks are dead wrong.
OOOOH false dycotomy now?
And uh....no... Spiderman was "ensnared by carnage like... twice in his career.. Spiderman has dodged carnage a number of times, including two encounters where he was fighting an entire group of villains alongside Cletus as well as the Carnage Cosmic... and he doesn't even have his Spider Sense to help him there or the claws to simply rip or shred the symbiote apart like Wolverine did to Venom's tendrils.
You look at any of his fights and your backhanded estimation that he projects deadly and effective attacks from every inch of his body isn't only dead wrong, it's just stupid.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Are you seriously going to argue that Kassady's vampiric touch or Omega Red's death spores is an absolute non-factor against Sabretooth?
Are you seriously going to argue that Carnage can make more use of a power that couldn't effect Luke Cage than Omega Red can make of a power that no-sold collosus as well as half a dozen X-men he never even had to touch? Are you going to argue that a power that showed up for one issue is something that isn't suspect?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not accusing you of assertign that Carnage was weaker than Venom.
lol, that's what you just did. 🙄
No you're just lying.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm calling out your accxusations of me. My so-called "false claims that, if they were true, it would be one thing... but... he isn't..." Carnage does have superior strength. His tendrils alone can ensnare and keep Spiderman's entire body at bay let alone his limbs.
Can and yet haven't....
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Carnage's superior piercing durability isn't a damn question. Sabretooth is not bullet-proof. Carnage is. Nuff said.
You're right it's not. Carnage can get sliced, and diced just like any other symbiote user...
And according to your logic using one shot abilities, Sabretooth several times as proven to be bullet proof or greater.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't even try to confuse damage soak with pure piercing durability. Trying to act like I'm straw-manning you when you accuse me of making stuff up is comedy gold.
That'd be what you're doing and you ARE making shit up... I agree.. your posts are comedy gold.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. You said if their throat is clawed, they're down. Same with gutting/evisceration. Carnage can't heal a scratch on his face... even though he literally did when his symbiote poured out of those scratches and completely reformed around his entire body instantly? Can you not see pictures on your computer or something?
The scratch didn't heal though. 😕
in fact the whole reason why Carnage bled enough to cover himself in his symbiote was specifically because the scratch didn't heal....
Carnage's symbiote being able to reform is not the same as his host healing damage... Not really sure how to make that more clear to you.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Skill helps Sabretooth avoid having this be an utter curbstomp. But Carnage is literally a whirling dervish of slashing, piercing, and gutting that even Spiderman can't avoid. Combined with his malleable durability and recuperative abilities and vampiric touch and mind-control abilities, and Sabretooth's utter lack of piercing durability, those fighting skills alone aren't overcoming Carnage. Especially when you're operating under the laughable view that Carnage getting clawed in the throat or gut once will put him down. Sabretooth was done when Deadpool made him suck his arm. And it's a method Carnage uses frequently.
Spiderman can't avoid Sabretooth. It's not as impressive as your cracking it up to be. And Spiderman HAS avoided carnage more oftehn than not. All the rest of that is just more garbage of things I've already countered, and I never said skill alone would overcome Carnage but as you say... way to miss the point.
Sabretooth was standing around while Wade fell into goo.
