Sabretooth vs Carnage, who wins?

Started by Phoenix200131 pages
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
like i already said and showed any forced tearing of the sym will cause the host pain.. its an exploitative tactic that sabe would capitalize on.. especially with his pain threshold being off the chart compared to the whiny cowardly kasady.

Just because a grizzly bear can be unwilling to face a cougar doesn't negate the fact that the bear could totally shit stomp the cat if it wanted to.

Just because Sentry is mentally vulnerable doesn't lessen how dangerous he really can be.

Similarly, this is how Carnage is.

Carnage has been blasted with sonic blasts that would obviously be pain inducing and he still strolled through it.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
like i already said and showed any forced tearing of the sym will cause the host pain.. its an exploitative tactic that sabe would capitalize on.. especially with his pain threshold being off the chart compared to the whiny cowardly kasady.
Yes, because clearly if you tear off his symbiote costume just a lil bit... Carnage loses.

Like that one time his entire costume was completely torn off and even his naked human form was being attacked and blood was being drawn... clearly Carnage lost even more badly:

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Or not at all. 😐

except in your comparison they are not cougars and bears more like:

Kodiak bear and polar bear

Lion and Tiger

only here the cowardice of the other will turn the tide which would otherwise bn a clear win.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7833603

^ Yes, because Carnage's cowardice in the face of Venom = Carnage being cowardly in front... of... Sabretooth... ? 😬

You seriously trying to argue that Sabretooth is going to scare Carnage into losing? 😐

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
except in your comparison they are not cougars and bears more like:

Kodiak bear and polar bear

Lion and Tiger

only here the cowardice of the other will turn the tide which would otherwise bn a clear win.

Brown bear vs Lion, Polar bear vs Tiger, it makes no difference. The bear is still the stronger, bigger animal when compared to either cat.

Who's to say ST won't give Carnage the right motivation? Sure, Carnage can be a little puss, but he still has the potential.

here venom stabs through the suit into Cletus..

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7326/venomontrial03144eh.jpg

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
here venom stabs through the suit into Cletus..

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7326/venomontrial03144eh.jpg

So, stabbing with a needle and injecting whatever chemical is in it substitutes for stabbing with sharp weapons and projectiles?

no it means that ppl need to stop with the sym will keep claws from reaching cassidy and using venom as a reference since venom has more mass and bulk..

My, how you've helped your position... 🙄

i take it that is sarcasm and you dont mean it.... 🙄

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no it means that ppl need to stop with the sym will keep claws from reaching cassidy and using venom as a reference since venom has more mass and bulk..
Yes... like bullets would penetrate Carnage so easily... except not. Accusing of us conflating Carnage and Venom's attributes while you're projecting feats of Venom onto Sabretooth as justification for why Sabretooth wins is idiocy.

Carnage has ripped into Venom as Venom has ripped into Carnage. That doesn't somehow calculate into Sabretooth clawing Carnage's throat is a one-shot kill.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i take it that is sarcasm and you dont mean it.... 🙄

No... it wasn't sarcasm... I meant every word of it... 😆 🙄

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Dude, as soon as Sam sees this, we're going to have a whole new debate on this forum...
He was, he had just been shot by a ray and was going to dig his mother up from a grave. He wasn't all "there". Venom even "get's rid of him" before he gets back to full power. 😬

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He was, he had just been shot by a ray and was going to dig his mother up from a grave. He wasn't all "there". Venom even "get's rid of him" before he gets back to full power. 😬

I'm in agreement with you, but Sam will swear up and down that Venom was at a disadvantage himself when that was only evident at the end of the previous issue.

except i wasnt adding a single think about venom to carnage core personality which is cowardice and has bn shown to be such more then once in the representation of carnage from the very beginning of the character to maximum carnage and well after and eve to his prison life.. i am sure i can find more of Cletus cowardice and core personality if you like. even some flash backs of when he was a psycho sniffling kid.. it is what he is even without venom standing over him.. he just has to feel slightly threaten where his life might be in danger and watch him turn tail and run.

its why he kills his victims when they least expect it and cant defend themselves its how he tried to kill eddie in prison he is a coward right down to the bone and why he freaked out with the sym showing up.. why he again freaked out when he saw his hand and the new sym attached to him.,..

Carnage is such a psycho, I wonder if he really even cares about dying sometimes.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I'm in agreement with you, but Sam will swear up and down that Venom was at a disadvantage himself when that was only evident at the end of the previous issue.
Even with Spiderman helping? (I know, I've had this argument with them since 06).

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
except i wasnt adding a single think about venom to carnage core personality which is cowardice and has bn shown to be such more then once in the representation of carnage from the very beginning of the character to maximum carnage and well after and eve to his prison life.. i am sure i can find more of Cletus cowardice and core personality if you like. even some flash backs of when he was a psycho sniffling kid.. it is what he is even without venom standing over him.. he just has to feel slightly threaten where his life might be in danger and watch him turn tail and run.

its why he kills his victims when they least expect it and cant defend themselves its how he tried to kill eddie in prison he is a coward right down to the bone and why he freaked out with the sym showing up.. why he again freaked out when he saw his hand and the new sym attached to him.,..

Cowardice... in the face of Venom. When he was a kid he was abused. And he murdered people. As he grew up he murdered more people. Acting like he's going to be reduced to childlike demeanor in the face of Sabretooth is ludicrous. His paternal issues combined with his paternal symbiotic relationship transformed Venom into the physical manifestation of his psychosis. So acting like Sabretooth would fit that bill and reduce Kassady to a quivering mass of jelly... and then accusing of us confusing Venom/Carnage is hypocrisy.

And somehow you've managed to convince yourself that Sabretooth scares Carnage into losing. Amazing deduction.

i never claimed that sabretooth would scare carnage i am simply shining the light of a character's personality.. dont get me wrong sabretooth is also a coward same as carnage but his is less and it takes a certain power lvl to see his true colors like: a Neo, sinister.. cough and apparently now Romulus which doesnt make sense but whatever that as an exception rather then the norm.

^ Carnage's personality... when it comes to Venom. Arguably.

It's not the personality when it comes to other opponents. If you can't even comprehend that Carnage was at least as strong as Spiderman on-panel, then what can I say?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Carnage's nemesis is a foe who hacks and slashes in addition to having comparable speed and greater durability/strength, i.e., Venom. Symbiotes are not weak against evisceration. In fact, their malleable durability and ability to heal damage is tailored for such attacks. Sabretooth's skin and muscle is not harder to pierce than Carnage's. Their comparative durability shouldn't even be in question. Carnage's is superior.

Aaaaaaand? Venom usually kicks the crap out of Carnage so I'm failing to see how that helps your case...

And once again, Sabretooth has comparible damage soak given his HF. He has high durability and highter healing factor, the symbiotes have higher durability and weaker healing factors..

And yes, Symbiotes can't tank evisceration. How you can even begin to conclude otherwise goes against pretty much their ENTIRE CAREER.... I don't really know what else to say to that... it's like you just decided... "nu-uh" for the sake of argument here. 😕

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Carnage doesn't need to capitalize on his slight strength advantage to be able to attack Creed effectively with his tendrils or fashioned stabbing/slashing weapons. His slight strength advantage just blunts anything Creed could manage with his own strength respectively.
Again strength isn't going to determine the winner of this fight, there's virtually no point in bringing it up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Same. Carnage doesn't need superior agility to effectively attack Sabretooth. It just blunts Sabretooth's natural agility from being a factor as well.
Which is why I have to ask again why you bothered bringing it up... arguments sake perhaps?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Carnage's slight advantages in strength and speed respectively do not rise to the level of a game-changing advantage. Nor do they need to.
If you're making the argument that Carnage without a doubt takes this fight... yes they do.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
His superior durability based on his symbiote's malleability and resiliency
Will do nothing to stop Creeds claws from doing their damage.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
combined with its recuperative abilities

Which are very low-mid level compared to Creed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
+ his ability to attack with every inch of his body

An ability he has that he likely won't use since he doesn't do that in fights because of his stupidity.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
(along with their vampiric touch)

Which has yet to be clearly proven an effective meathod of Cletus' fighting strategies....much less.... AT ALL actually..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
afford him that clear advantage over Sabretooth.

The only "clear advantage" is one that you've imagined which is based on ignoring clear weaknesses of the symbiotes, while boasting advantages they don't possess.... I guess if Carnage was everything you claimed he was just now it would be one thing.... But.... He isn't.. 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is notwithstanding any red herrings over how Carnage doesn't maximize his symbiote's potential. This is notwithstanding any outrageous claim that Sabretooth need only claw Carnage's throat to kill him.
I don't think anyone said Carnage would die... just that a throat shot is enough to put him down for a while... And I'm having a hard time see how this claim is so "outrageous" given the numerous times that hosts have been wounded inside the symbiote and unable to quickly recover, or the times that blades and edges have cut right through them.

Carnage being an idiot isn't a red herring by the way... it's a claim to CIS... one which is true... which the forum rules provide as acceptable.

But yeah.... YOUR version of Carnage would mop the floor with Sabretooth.. lol.... 😉