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Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by jinzin
YOU are the one who decided to keep multiquoting AFTER I summerized... No need to pretend anything else happened there because it clearly didn't.YOU again, are the one who tried to use it as a credible edge to your debate... No need to act like anything else happened, because.. it didn't. You flat out said that Carnage has beaten Spiderman and Venom multiple times.
Going in cirles again? Seriously.. you just quoted yourself CONTINUING TO BRING VENOM into the debate as a pillar of your argument.... You JUST discredited yourself... *facepalm*
Dude. Look how short my response was after you began summarizing. That was me summarizing. I didn't know I wasn't allowed to quote you at all. In any case, by all means, summarize. I won't quote you, just post a block of text. And this time, don't insinuate I'm afraid of you multiquoting me when I invited you to summarize because YOU wanted to summarize in the first place! Christ.
Stop lying out the side of your mouth. Stop avoiding your failure to keep arguments straight. You brought up that fight first. Accusing me of bringing it up, and even moreso, accusing me of lying about it is a poor quaneuver.
And in that first post, I literally dismiss focusing on Carnage beating Spiderman+Venom as having ANY sort of merit in this conversation. I'm dismissing it! Me dismissing it outright =/= using it as the pillar of my argument! Christ!!!! English, motherf@cker, do you speak it?
sam
Originally posted by jinzin
YOU JUST SAID THAT NOT TWO POSTS AGO! Good lord! It's like trying to argue against multiple personalities over here. lmao!!!WHERE DID I SAY A GUTCHECK WOULD PUT CARNAGE DOWN? I DIDN'T! That's your strawman.... Not my argument. I said a throat shot "could" kill him... it's likely that one will hurt him/incap him enough for Sabretooth to finish off. The proof you have to otherwise?
Oh yeah.. you DON'T have any..
I accused you of suggesting that if Sabretooth managed a single shot to the throat or gut, it would end the fight. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. I didn't accuse you of suggesting that Sabretooth would only have to attempt swinging his claws once and Carnage could never avoid it, and he'd be done! English, motherf@cker, do you speak it?
sam
Are you literally trying to qualify post-facto what gutting Carnage would do? Are you seriously suggesting that Sabretooth could gut Carnage and that wouldn't take him down... but clawing his throat would? And how hard are you trying to deflect from the fact that when you accused me of straw-manning, I was, in fact, representing your absurd position accurately?
Originally posted by jinzin
Because it's apparently hard for you to figure out how Cletus is going to win a melee if he can't tank vital damage... in spite of a couple of advantages YOU listed... Pretty simple really.WTF? How do you not get this is Strawmanning? It's unreal... I never stated that a needle jab = Sabretooth winning... I'm saying a needle jab = Carnage's durability being a moot point to someone of Sabretooth's offesnive capabilities..
Nice deflection. Accuse me of suggesting Carnage wins by keeping Sabretooth at bay, when in fact I didn't. I call you out on it... and somehow we turn to tanking vital damage. At least you're done confusing yourself on this point and instead of quaneuvering resort to simple deflection. That's progress... sort of.
Try reading the very next sentence: "I never agreed to your notion that damaging Cletus, who has the symbiote bonded to him on a cellular level, means Carnage loses. It's not a god damn suit." First generalization, then explanation. It's called using several sentences to form a "paragraph." Stop picking at a single sentence and reading it in isolation to try and suggest that all your failed accusations of me straw-manning can somehow be remediated by another false accusation. It'd be funny if it weresn't so transparent.
Originally posted by jinzin
After your lead chief.Blah blah, red herring, strawman, false dychotomy...blah blah blah... lol
I said this several pages ago... Carnage is bullet proof.. it's not a demonstration of durability that will matter in THIS fight in THIS thread against THIS opponent... You keep yammering on how he has bullet proof durability and thus is more durable to piercing damage... NOT IN THIS FIGHT... Your argument necessitates that you think being bullet proof MATTERS here and it doesn't.... I asked why you brought it up at all and all you did was restate your position over and over... Bullet proof is inconsequential in THIS THREAD... so drop it already. Geez.
That ain't a red herring, that ain't a straw-man, that isn't a false dichotomy argument. There's no reason for you to bring up that crap if you're not rebutting that Carnage has superior durability. And that's the only notion I was arguing. You say his malleable durability won't matter in this fight at all? That has nothing to do with my argument that Carnage has superior durability, which at first, you tried disagreeing with, and are now deflecting from. Insipid quaneuver.
Originally posted by jinzin
He kills carnage twice in that scenario out of two times? I agree... lol...Again... Sabretooth has... EFFORTLESSLY reattached limbs in an instant... since childhood.
He has tanked hitting the earth from the upper stratosphere being nothing but a husk of meat and broken bone and got up IMMEDIATELY shortly after his HF was stated as working at less than 90%.
He's got up IMMEDIATELY, from being nearly burned to his skeleton.
He's been stated repeatidly as being a physical superior to Wolverine who has a whole slew of feats overshadowing being ripped in half, even AFTER the Guggenhiem arc.
Wolverine said he chopped Sabretooth to chunks on the ground, but because it's convenient to your argument that's not what really happened...
And of course Sabretooth couldn't heal from chunks or from one half of his body.. I mean it's not like their healing factor is in every cell of their body, not like Sabretooth's recovered from death before just like Wolverine, not like it took the muramasa to finally kill him... or like he tanked having his arm taken off with it and just stood there looking at it...
You know I meant Sabretooth one of those times. uhuh
Sabretooth will die if Sentry takes him to outer space and rips him in half. I'm not entertaining the notion that somehow, Sabretooth survives it...
... ESPECIALLY when you try to hyperbolize Wolveirne's statements to their most fantastic limits and suggest Sabretooth can heal from being reduced to minced meat spread out all over the place. What did you do, look at Logan's sh1t-eatin grin and nod your head with wide-eyed approval? The only thing I have to do to expose how ludicrous this myth is, is for you to explain exactly how Sabretooth heals from being diced to itty bitty chunks. Do his itty bitty chunks roll around next to each and reform like the T-1000? Or does just one itty bitty chunk reform a completely new body? The stage is yours. I invite you to produce another comedy routine of the highest caliber here. And I don't expect you'll disappoint.