Sabretooth vs Carnage, who wins?

Originally posted by Starscream M
no...unlike you...I can put one and one together

I don't need comics to tell me everything and I don't take everything in comics for god's truth

ie. when logan got decapitated, I know that his head didnt grow two legs and walked over to the body, rather that someone put them together so logan could heal...even though comics didnt specify that

its called common friggin sense...which you seem to lack

You don't need comics period.... you've demonstrated such ignorance time and time again on the forums... too many times to count.

Like I said... apparently you know the REAL truth to what happens behind the scenes at Marvel... the stuff they don't show on the tours 😏

😂
whatajoke.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Interesting how Wolverine suddenly becomes the focal point of this whole thing. Debating on KMC is made so much easier when your favorite character is one of the flagships of its company. Hard to argue against him when hes slept with every female character, fought on every team, avenged every loss, consistantly has his core abilities upgraded, and has limitations so vaguely defined and ignored that theres ALWAYS a onpanel example of them not applying. Screw it, I take back everything I ever said and am jumping on the bandwagon.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Interesting how Wolverine suddenly becomes the focal point of this whole thing. Debating on KMC is made so much easier when your favorite character is one of the flagships of its company. Hard to argue against him when hes slept with every female character, fought on every team, avenged every loss, consistantly has his core abilities upgraded, and has limitations so vaguely defined and ignored that theres ALWAYS a onpanel example of them not applying. Screw it, I take back everything I ever said and am jumping on the bandwagon.

It's a universal law.

Got that right.... the only thing that's more of a sure bet is that supergirl puts out.

Originally posted by jinzin
lol thumbsup

Originally posted by jinzin
And you think that somehow takes away from the fact that it was STILL multiquoting? Of course you do (*headpat*).
As I said, lead the way.

Uh.. you brought it up as a legitimate argument/counter/point to your argument... It's that simple... then you continued to bring it up... then you brought it up again... THEN you just quoted yourself continuing to bring it up.. again! Lol, you're a hilarious little one. In spite of bringing it up later...
And yeah, I do, as do you, unfortunately your poor memory won't allow to make the best use of it...

YOU brought it it up first. I unilaterally dismissed it when you did. YOU kept bringing it up. Then YOU accused me of bringing it up! LOLWUT?! Overtly patronizing me is a painfully transparent attempt to deflect from the fact that you tried to take me to task for the crap argument that YOU brought up and tried to project onto me. Are you twitching furiously while you sit there trying to figure out a way to further derail this enough so that your utter inability to keep your own arguments straight isn't further exposed more than it already has? Unbelievable. You score extra points for this quaneuver.

Originally posted by jinzin
Actually you've done both... And I STILL never said that a gut check would end Carnage.. so you're STILL wrong as ever about that.. but strawman away, it is apparently all you're good for in this thread.

Are you of the assumption that having your larnyx, tracea, carotids torn into is the same as having your guts cut? LOL you couldn't be any more rediculous if you tried...

And you're STILL trying to force feed words into my mouth as if I ever said a gut check would do the trick, which I never said.. You just can't admit it.
"DEFEND THE STRAWMAN AT ALL COSTS!" LMAO!

This doesn't even make any sense. I know you were trying to straw-man me, but at least be f@cking coherent.

I asked you a question: Claw to the throat would kill Carnage and gutting Carnage wouldn't? I'm literally zooming in on the disconnect here. By doing so, it completely exposes your obvious attempt to save at least a portion of your credibility, by qualifying your arguments post-facto and suggesting I was wrong the entire time. So go full steam ahead with it! Explain exactly how a throat shot kills Carnage and gutting him doesn't! Because you clearly are furiously trying to convince me that's what you always believed. So do it. You said: "one strike to the head, neck, or heart by Sabretooth could kill Cassidy." You apparently never said gutting Carnage would defeat him. Explain the disconnect here! I eagerly anticipate this new comedy routine!

Originally posted by jinzin
That was part of YOUR position as to what gave Carnage advantages on the field, you've already suggested Sabretooth would destroy Carnage in a close up confrontation if Carnage can't tank vitals when you ridiculed mine... this really shouldn't be so hard for you to follow your own arguments but I can understand how you might be confused here. (*headpat*) It's okay.

What does that have to do with anything.. it's already clearly apparent that you don't agree to that "notion". Otherwise there wouldn't be an argument... I didn't respond to that part because it's the most obvious thing you could have said, it doesn't contribute to the conversation, and it had nothing to do with the strawman you just threw out at me.... but that didn't work so now you use another red herring... Like I said, you couldn't be more ridiculous if you tried.

SEE!? There you go arguing Carnages "superior durability" as if it matters in this thread.... It doesn't... *facepalm*

Me proving how inept you've been the last ten pages or so is not me being ridiculous. Had you not cornered yourself so hard, you wouldn't have to clean up after your own mess.

"Carnage has superior durability" relative to Sabretooth. That's what I was arguing. Which is obvious because I said as much SEVERAL TIMES. I NEVER argued it was a game-changer. You nunce! You complete nunce!

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh... you tried to make the argument that Carnage has a durability that affords him an advantage in this fight... I argued that not only does it not but when it comes to the advantage in durability that Carnage does have, Sabretooth has advantages in his healing factor that more than levels the field in terms of their damage soaking capabilities...
It has nothing to do with deflection, it has to do with calling your nonsense out as what it is... INCONSEQUENTIAL...

Only because of oxygen related issues... being ripped in half is not enough to keep Sabretooth from regen.

If he were ripped in half in space by Sentry, he'd die. End of story.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'd assume it'd be similar to how Wolverine healed when he was burnt to a crisp, the tissue containing his core/soul/whatever simply grew outwards.

Yeah.. "comedy gold" when you look at the fact that we've already seen this type of thing happen on panel...

Hey... it's not the first time we've seen you ignore proof you don't like...

laughcry YOU DIDN'T DISAPPOINT ME!!!! YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DAWG!!!! laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry

laughcry What? Ignore proof you don't like concerning Wolverine's brain being penetrated? laughcry

Just watch your language everyone

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Still trying to deflect from how you accused me of constantly multi-quoting in the same breath that you accused me of being afraid of multi-quoting? That projection of your own insecurities was painful for even me to read. Christ.

DUR... I accused you of not wanting ME to multiquote (though it wasn't so much an accusation as much as it was a humorous jab... but I suppose that was giving you too much credit on how well versed you are with English after all that boasting)... obviously YOU multiquoting isn't the issue there... see.. you can't even follow that simple a train of thought and you think you're winning this debate? lolz

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
YOU brought it it up first. I unilaterally dismissed it when you did. YOU kept bringing it up. Then YOU accused me of bringing it up! LOLWUT?! Overtly patronizing me is a painfully transparent attempt to deflect from the fact that you tried to take me to task for the crap argument that YOU brought up and tried to project onto me. Are you twitching furiously while you sit there trying to figure out a way to further derail this enough so that your utter inability to keep your own arguments straight isn't further exposed more than it already has? Unbelievable. You score extra points for this quaneuver. I never accused you of both. Only the former. Learn English. English, motherf@cker, do you speak it? sam

Uh yeah.. you did... but I'll accept that you'll ignore this as you do comic evidence you don't like.. it's just second nature to a guy like you.
And Uh.... you kept bringing it up.. you even quoted yourself bringing it up.. "couldn't be anymore ridiculous if you tried"

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This doesn't even make any sense. I know you were trying to straw-man me, but at least be f@cking coherent.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I asked you a question: Claw to the throat would kill Carnage and gutting Carnage wouldn't?

No you didn't. You've been outright claiming that my position is that a gutcheck would kill carnage, you've been outright claiming that my position is that Sabretooth will land a gutcheck and that it will beat Carnage.... AND THAT ISN'T MY ARGUMENT... IT IS HOWEVER YOUR STRAWMAN.....
Now you're trying to make the two comparible so you can pretend like this strawman has an ounce of credability.. It's transparent as glass.

And to answer your "question".. I never said that a throat shot WOULD kill Carnage.. but that it "could" leaving room for reasonable doubt... something I'm sure you have an issue using in your little world of black and white. However I do think that a throat shot WOULD leave Carnage far more handicapped than a gutshot.... And that it COULD well incapacitate him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm literally zooming in on the disconnect here. By doing so, it completely exposes your obvious attempt to save at least a portion of your credibility, by qualifying your arguments post-facto and suggesting I was wrong the entire time. So go full steam ahead with it! Explain exactly how a throat shot kills Carnage and gutting him doesn't!

Yeah one's a definite lethal blow... the other isn't...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because you clearly are furiously trying to convince me that's what you always believed. So do it. You said: "one strike to the head, neck, or heart by Sabretooth could kill Cassidy." You apparently never said gutting Carnage would defeat him. Explain the disconnect here! I eagerly anticipate this new comedy routine!Uh. No. You've been chasing your own tail right now so much, you didn't even understand half of what I posted. And unfortunately, I now realize that half the time, you're surreptiously concocting complete lies about how I debate, to avoid actually debating the topic at hand, and half the time, you actually can't read English.

JESUS F CHRIST! The stomach area has multiple layers of intestines and abdominal muscles to get through, it's harder to hit major organs and vital areas like the aorta without reaching all the way back to the spine to do it. It's harder to kill someone with a knife wound to the gut than it is to the throat. How do grade school issues like this fly right over your head?
I CAN NOT BELIEVE that even you don't understand what's going on here.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Me proving how inept you've been the last ten pages or so is not me being ridiculous. Had you not cornered yourself so hard, you wouldn't have to clean up after your own mess.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
"Carnage has superior durability" relative to Sabretooth. That's what I was arguing. Which is obvious because I said as much SEVERAL TIMES. I NEVER argued it was a game-changer. You nunce! You complete nunce! No. You. Utterly. Illiterate. Hack. I only argued that Carnage has superior durability to Sabretooth. I never suggested his malleable durability was a game-changer on its own. Christ. ENGLISH. LEARN ENGLISH.

Let's be honest here.. you've brought up multiple times that Carnage has "superior durability" AND that he has "superior durability to piercing damage".... I asked you several pages ago why you brought that up because of it's total inconsequential nature to this fight.. and all you have done since then is restate yourself over and over again without addressing the point of it... You ARE STILL restating yourself that Carnage has "superior durability" as if it means something in THIS THREAD against THIS OPPONENT... and STILL... It doesn't....

The issue here is that you're STILL bringing up "advantages" that don't matter one bit in this fight... You might as well be stating that Carnage can see things because that's about as much as it brings to this debate. It doesn't CHANGE ANYTHING about the fight since his symbiote won't do ANYTHING to negotiate Creeds claws... But I like the never say die attitude... fake it til you make it if it works for you.. lol.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If he were ripped in half in space by Sentry, he'd die. End of story. Wait... you essentially are arguing that when Sabretooth was reduced to itty bitty pieces of flesh all over the place... one of those itty bitty pieces sprouted a completely intact Sabretooth? BWAHHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

laughcry YOU DIDN'T DISAPPOINT ME!!!! YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DAWG!!!! laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry

laughcry What? Ignore proof you don't like concerning Wolverine's brain being penetrated? laughcry

Ultimate Wolverine has been ripped in half and survived just fine and he has weaker HF feats compared to his 616 counterparts.

616 Wolverine has more impressive feats than that by an abundance and even he said Creed healed faster than he did....

Creeds been stated multiple times by narrative as being Wolverine's superior.

And we have a comic where Wolverine says Creeds all over the place in chunks WHILE holding a handful of Creeds teeth as he's saying it....

But lets ignore that because it's convenient.

The difference between you and I? I have multiple proofs to support this that are related. You have pieces of proof that are not related and in fact contradicted by other proofs, and contradicted more times by those proofs.
I know you sooooooooooooo desperately want MNer to shoot a tooth through Wolvie's eye but it's not gonna happen... sorry... Nice to see you expose yourself for why you're so butthurt in this threatd several years later though....

Now that I'm done with all that I said you said bullshit... how about this for a summary?
Cletus can not heal vital/mortal damage at a rate that will keep him competing in a punch for punch swipe for swipe fight ( If you think he can, please provide the evidence) equal to the damage output that Creed dishes (even on a skilled fighter nevermind a stupid one). While Creed can take everything Carnage can, and more, AND for a longer amount of time.

Carnage has to keep Creed at a distance to ensure that he won't recieve that kind of damage and because he isn't likely to use his symbiote to the best of it's abilities, much less the majority of the time, it's not unlikely that Creed will walk away with victories here, and CERTAINLY not a stretch to say he can fight this fight to a stalemate.

That isn't to say that Carnage won't beat Creed with the use of his range but there's no real reason to think he should sweep this for a high majority.

Going by simplicity, comic feats, and ABC's
Carnage could not beat someone who is Creeds inferior in nearly every way. Creed's already defeated 3 opponents with symbiotic abilities.... at once.

That's all that really needs to be said here. Propaganda sucks, and your ego's worse.... but this is still a hoot to watch. 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
DUR... I accused you of not wanting ME to multiquote (though it wasn't so much an accusation as much as it was a humorous jab... but I suppose that was giving you too much credit on how well versed you are with English after all that boasting)... obviously YOU multiquoting isn't the issue there... see.. you can't even follow that simple a train of thought and you think you're winning this debate? lolz

Uh yeah.. you did... but I'll accept that you'll ignore this as you do comic evidence you don't like.. it's just second nature to a guy like you.
And Uh.... you kept bringing it up.. you even quoted yourself bringing it up.. "couldn't be anymore ridiculous if you tried"

Not to you because you think YOUR strawmans are the arguments I actually made here.. LOL.

Get your head on straight. I never accused you of suggesting that Sabretooth only has to try swinging his claws once and Carnage would be dead ya schnook. Trying to straw-man me failed then, it fails here. And taking me to task for accusing me of being Mr. "Carnage has taken Venon and Spidey at the same time many times" when I specifically DISMISSED that notion right from the start and NEVER relied on that damn fight in Amazing Spiderman #362 in this thread is you just deflecting from the complete derailment of all your arguments. You seriously think I don't see what you're doing here?

Originally posted by jinzin
BULL TO THE SHIT!

No you didn't. You've been outright claiming that my position is that a gutcheck would kill carnage, you've been outright claiming that my position is that Sabretooth will land a gutcheck and that it will beat Carnage.... AND THAT ISN'T MY ARGUMENT... IT IS HOWEVER YOUR STRAWMAN.....
Now you're trying to make the two comparible so you can pretend like this strawman has an ounce of credability.. It's transparent as glass.

And to answer your "question".. I never said that a throat shot WOULD kill Carnage.. but that it "could" leaving room for reasonable doubt... something I'm sure you have an issue using in your little world of black and white. However I do think that a throat shot WOULD leave Carnage far more handicapped than a gutshot.... And that it COULD well incapacitate him.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You REALLY DO think that having your throat ripped out is the same as having your guts cut..... WOW.... but I'm the one with the disconnect issue? Puh-lease?

Yeah one's a definite lethal blow... the other isn't...

JESUS F CHRIST! The stomach area has multiple layers of intestines and abdominal muscles to get through, it's harder to hit major organs and vital areas like the aorta without reaching all the way back to the spine to do it. It's harder to kill someone with a knife wound to the gut than it is to the throat. How do grade school issues like this fly right over your head?
I CAN NOT BELIEVE that even you don't understand what's going on here

I can't believe you didn't see that coming.

Originally posted by jinzin
And you say I'M projecting? Lol you're richer than gold my friend.... Hows all that smoke you're blowing up your own ass?

As I never claimed that you did.... though I do like seeing you squirm like crazy to pretend otherwise... Let's be honest here.. you've brought up multiple times that Carnage has "superior durability" AND that he has "superior durability to piercing damage".... I asked you several pages ago why you brought that up because of it's total inconsequential nature to this fight.. and all you have done since then is restate yourself over and over again without addressing the point of it... You ARE STILL restating yourself that Carnage has "superior durability" as if it means something in THIS THREAD against THIS OPPONENT... and STILL... It doesn't....

The issue here is that you're STILL bringing up "advantages" that don't matter one bit in this fight... You might as well be stating that Carnage can see things because that's about as much as it brings to this debate. It doesn't CHANGE ANYTHING about the fight since his symbiote won't do ANYTHING to negotiate Creeds claws... But I like the never say die attitude... fake it til you make it if it works for you.. lol.

Excuse me? You reacted with, "Carnage doesn't have better piercing durability than Sabretooth." And I am not wasting time explaining to you how one person being bullet-proof and one person not being bullet-proof means the first person has superior durability. How about you not ignore your initial gut reaction that I ridiculed and rebutted much to your everlasting chagrin? Seriously, keep your arguments straight.

Fake what? Fake that symbiotes can take their hosts being damaged? Except when (i) Venom's symbiote heals his arms being run through by Carnage as there's no wounds when you see his bare arms exposed, or (ii) when Carnage rakes a very exposed Brock and the symbiote heals and protects him, or (iii) Toxin not even caring about his shoulders actually dislocating, or (iv) Cletus takes two needles to the neck with sedatives and nonchalantly shrugs it off (ohnoez!!! there goes your plot-device needle argument!!! 😂 ):

And he could never take Sabes slashing at him, because he doesn't have enough durability/healing to prevent Sabes from eventually hacking at Cletus underneath fatally! So what happened here when Carnage was laid out on subway tracks and got run over? Guess according to you, no way did it penetrate the symbiote otherwise he'd be dead? Right? But he can't have the durability to withstand it completely so that it never penetrated? Right? So either Carnage clearly has superior durability or the symbiote can heal his host like the above examples? Well, y'know what? You can chew on that catch-22 for a bit while trying to salvage your shattered arguments:

Originally posted by jinzin
Ultimate Wolverine has been ripped in half and survived just fine and he has weaker HF feats compared to his 616 counterparts.

616 Wolverine has more impressive feats than that by an abundance and even he said Creed healed faster than he did....

Creeds been stated multiple times by narrative as being Wolverine's superior.

And we have a comic where Wolverine says Creeds all over the place in chunks WHILE holding a handful of Creeds teeth as he's saying it....

But lets ignore that because it's convenient.

The difference between you and I? I have multiple proofs to support this that are related. You have pieces of proof that are not related and in fact contradicted by other proofs, and contradicted more times by those proofs.

Let me repeat myself: BWAHHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

laughcry YOU DIDN'T DISAPPOINT ME!!!! YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DAWG!!!! laughcry laughcry laughcry laughcry

This Sabretooth grows a new body out of a tiny piece of flesh myth never gets old! kinda

Originally posted by jinzin
I know you sooooooooooooo desperately want MNer to shoot a tooth through Wolvie's eye but it's not gonna happen... sorry... Nice to see you expose yourself for why you're so butthurt in this threatd several years later though...

Now that I'm done with all that I said you said bullshit... how about this for a summary?
Cletus can not heal vital/mortal damage at a rate that will keep him competing in a punch for punch swipe for swipe fight ( If you think he can, please provide the evidence) equal to the damage output that Creed dishes (even on a skilled fighter nevermind a stupid one). While Creed can take everything Carnage can, and more, AND for a longer amount of time.

Carnage has to keep Creed at a distance to ensure that he won't recieve that kind of damage and because he isn't likely to use his symbiote to the best of it's abilities, much less the majority of the time, it's not unlikely that Creed will walk away with victories here, and CERTAINLY not a stretch to say he can fight this fight to a stalemate.

That isn't to say that Carnage won't beat Creed with the use of his range but there's no real reason to think he should sweep this for a high majority.

Going by simplicity, comic feats, and ABC's
Carnage could not beat someone who is Creeds inferior in nearly every way. Creed's already defeated 3 opponents with symbiotic abilities.... at once.

That's all that really needs to be said here. Propaganda sucks, and your ego's worse.... but this is still a hoot to watch.

Carnage's malleable durability + recuperative abilities keep him in this fight, even an extended one. It's why he's able to have the fights that he has. Carnage's capacity to dish out damage like Creed can dish out isn't even a question. He's got the strength, agility, tendril control, malleable durability, recuperative abilities, perceptive abilities, vampiric touch to rip Sabretooth up as much in a toe-to-toe fight as anybody. That's who he is, a hacking/stabbing/eviscerating machine.

This ain't ego. It's comics. And your obvious zealotry and ludicrously far-reaching arguments over Wolverine-related characters doesn't negate that. Comics Code means that Venom didn't just take a slash from Carnage? lulz Sabretooth heals from an itty bitty piece of flesh? LULZGASM You're the gift that keeps on giving, from the Wolverine starvation/sleep deprivation myth to your seriously misguided attempts to deny Wolverine's brain penetrability to this thread. It's been a fun ride and you're a fine comedian.

Finally some scans, I was missing stuff like that for weeks/months here 🙂

Originally posted by Starscream M
no...unlike you...I can put one and one together

I don't need comics to tell me everything and I don't take everything in comics for god's truth

ie. when logan got decapitated, I know that his head didnt grow two legs and walked over to the body, rather that someone put them together so logan could heal...even though comics didnt specify that

its called common friggin sense...which you seem to lack

are you retarded? you are really trying to explain a comics logic in real life? how can someone shoot fire from his hands? how can someone control ice and cold temperatures? how can someone wrap reality? if its stated that those are logans abilities and the writers tell you he can do it then shut up and take it just as a fact as superman being able to fly

i dont get it when sentry healed his entire body from almost nothing its fine people take it as a fact that sentry will heal out of anything... but when the same happens to wolverine who is a HEALER and got a crazy healing factor then suddenly its unreal? is it some kind of hatered to wolverine? or is it this dumb logic of powers again because as i stated before people here are going by a simple logic saying "SANTRI ANZ THOR AR CLAS 100 SO DEY ARE ZTRONG ANZ WOLFARIN IZ STREET LAVALAR SO HI IZ WEAK"

Originally posted by papaya
are you retarded? you are really trying to explain a comics logic in real life? how can someone shoot fire from his hands? how can someone control ice and cold temperatures? how can someone wrap reality? if its stated that those are logans abilities and the writers tell you he can do it then shut up and take it just as a fact as superman being able to fly

logan does not have the power to heal from a single drop of blood

Paola already posted but here I am because of more reports. I could warn 2 of you easily. Some of you don't have many chances left before a perm ban.

Closed.

ODG, stop with the trolling. I closed this thread just so I didn't have o warn you. sneer

Starscream, you weren't as bad but your posts were still laced with too much antagonism. dur

Jinzin, stop swearing. durfist

Dont make Bada bust out the durbeware

hey I wanna a warning Bada..

Originally posted by jinzin
Okay sam, I can see somewhat WHY you think what you think but I just don't see your evidence as proving your argument. Fact is, the only times hosts have taken vital shots they've gone down for the count. I would lend more credit to your argument against the sonic knife if say the knife was left embedded in the victim prohibiting the symbiote from reforming or something but it was immediately removed and the hosts still died.
I'll leave enough reasonable doubt to say this: IF symbiote users can tank vital damage than Sabretooth has practically no chance at victory....

BUT... if they can't then Sabretooth has a huge chance of walking away with a stalemate or even possibly an edge in the fight.

I mean this is really the only resolve that you and I can come to because of our disagreements on the evidence presented thus far. All I can do with you is agree to disagree.

Though I REALLY don't agree with you matching anti-venom to Venom.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't want you to multiquote? Even though I never asked you out of the blue to stop multiquoting? And, in fact, YOU were the one allt eh way back on page 10 who wanted to stop multiquoting and would rather summarize? LULZ

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Get your head on straight. I never accused you of suggesting that Sabretooth only has to try swinging his claws once and Carnage would be dead ya schnook. Trying to straw-man me failed then, it fails here. And taking me to task for accusing me of being Mr. "Carnage has taken Venon and Spidey at the same time many times" when I specifically DISMISSED that notion right from the start and NEVER relied on that damn fight in Amazing Spiderman #362 in this thread is you just deflecting from the complete derailment of all your arguments. You seriously think I don't see what you're doing here? Oh, so now Carnage can tank vital shots? Oh, how easy that was. I can't believe you didn't see that coming.

😂 OMG that's been one of the main points to you ridiculing my argument, I already have you quoted as trying to strawman my argument into sabretooth winning with "one swipe" whatajoke lol.

If you dismissed the notion then why did you bring it up as a point to your argument later, and then compound on it trying to use Venom as pillar of evidence? Oh that's right because you didn't... as you already quoted YOURSELF as being wrong on that one.
And again, are you being this dense on purpose?... I just explained to you how a gutcheck isn't laced with vitals or as lethal as a throat rip. Maybe you've been so focused on English that you plumb forgot about anatomy?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You accused me of being afraid of your multiquotes. YOU wanted to stop multiquoting. You accused me of bringing up the "Carnage > Spidey/Venom" myth. YOU brought it up. You ridiculed my suggestion that Carnage keeps Sabretooth at bay ftw. YOU suggested that, even going so far to suggest it nets him wins, when I never did. You seriously chased your tail on so many things trying to argue with me, that you literally started arguing against yourself. Don't pretend your projections, mixups and blatant lies over who said what haven't littered the last ten pages like a garbage dump!

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Excuse me? You reacted with, "Carnage doesn't have better piercing durability than Sabretooth." And I am not wasting time explaining to you how one person being bullet-proof and one person not being bullet-proof means the first person has superior durability. How about you not ignore your initial gut reaction that I ridiculed and rebutted much to your everlasting chagrin? Seriously, keep your arguments straight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fake what? Fake that symbiotes can take their hosts being damaged? Except when [b](i) Venom's symbiote heals his arms being run through by Carnage as there's no wounds when you see his bare arms exposed, or (ii) when Carnage rakes a very exposed Brock and the symbiote heals and protects him, or (iii) Toxin not even caring about his shoulders actually dislocating, or (iv) Cletus takes two needles to the neck with sedatives and nonchalantly shrugs it off (ohnoez!!! there goes your plot-device needle argument!!! 😂 ):
[/B]

HOWEVER if they are indeed going through his arms and venom healed the wounds, good for him, I never stated the symbiotes didnt' produce a healing factor, just that they don't heal at a rate fast enough to deal with the vital damages given to them in a fight with someone like Sabretooth.. is that vital damage being done? NO...

1st scan set.... FAIL.

2nd scan- Eddie takes a grazing claw swipe to his exposed ribs we don't get treated to how deep the claws went... and we don't see that part of him that was attacked thereafter. We only continue to see him from the opposite side.... And again, is this grazing swipe a vital blow that supports he can heal at a rate fast enough to matter in this fight? NO? Ok.

2nd scan..... FAIL.

3rd scan set- The only impressive scan of the bunch and what's it of? TOXIN.... okay.... not only is Toxin FAR stronger than even Carnage (to the point that it scared Venom into willingly working with Carnage.. and that should tell you something), and not only does Toxin posses powers that Carnage does not like mass manipulation over the host and strength boosting..... but we're treated to him being able to whether having his bones dislocated... WHOAZA! 😱 Something that human beings in real life without a symbiote or medical attention can survive.... so evidence of Carnage being able to tank through vital damage at a rate that matters in this fight? NO....

3rd scan... FAIL.

4rth scan- I'm not really sure WHAT you think this proves to be honest.. I mean... it kinda proves AGAIN that darts can go through the symbiote.... I'm assuming your impressed because Carnage has a healing factor able to deal with poisons to his system maybe? Either way we already addressed how symbiotes can reject poisons to the system so that's not helpful, and it CERTAINLY isn't proof of Carnage tanking a lethal blow.... soooooo... erm yeah..

4th scan.... FAIL.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And he could never take Sabes slashing at him, because he doesn't have enough durability/healing to prevent Sabes from eventually hacking at Cletus underneath fatally! So what happened here when Carnage was laid out on subway tracks and got run over? Guess according to you, no way did it penetrate the symbiote otherwise he'd be dead? Right? But he can't have the durability to withstand it completely so that it never penetrated? Right? So either Carnage clearly has superior durability or the symbiote can heal his host like the above examples? Well, y'know what? You can chew on that catch-22 for a bit while trying to salvage your shattered arguments:

Eventually? The first attack that Sabretooth lands is going to cut right into Cletus... there you go ONCE AGAIN bringing up this issue of durability like it matters... but it doesn't... I really don't know how many times I have to tell you this for it to sink in... honestly.

And, now your argument is beginning to try and make me sound as if I ever argued that a symbiote couldn't heal a host... but that again is an argument I never made... 😕

As for this subway scan, there's two sides to the subway and we only see the one Venom jumps to. Did Carnage truly get run over? Maybe, maybe not, maybe he leaped out to the other side, maybe he burrowed to ground as we see him doing later, maybe he was hit and rode off on the front of the train as we've seen Venom do before. Maybe the train really did run right over Cletus, but in a number of conventional subway cars there's room enough for a man to lay between the tracks and survive... there's multiple times that this very thing has happened to people all over NYC.... even that baby in australia from last year.... The point is, what we DON'T see is Carnage being hit by multiple wheels on the track, being mangled underneath and healing from catastrophic damage that supports your case.

So while I find your continuing arrogance in this thread to be amusing that post was MADE O' FAIL. lol