Sabretooth vs Carnage, who wins?

Originally posted by jinzin
You certainly can, and it won't change the FACT that you were utterly wrong in pressuming that I was the only one arguing for Sabretooth's case, and that was omiting a number of people who implied he would win without saying it, or stated that it would be a close knit fight regardless of WHO won.

The rest of your rambling has nothing to do with anything since I've never treated any poster with such arrogance. Even you, though you deserve it.

Another assumption on your part. No the last 5 weeks of arguing that all of DS' feats are legitimate or posting them up for grabs while ignoring counter feats from counter positions is what lead me to this... And, it's not something that I could point out if it not for your ABSURDLY overwhelming hypocrisy.

Again, quilty of your own accusations. What a farce.

One, when did I say all DS feats are legitimate? Never, right? Okay. Just another example of your moronic absolutism.

Okay, name an instance besides ones involving those ridiculous Cap feats. Actually, cite one, quote one, something that resembles proof.

Also, are you really so dense that you don't realize that I'm purposely mocking your own brand of idiotic Sarcastic statements? Really?

Either way, I'm done here, but go ahead and post your clever reply. Don't expect a retort though.

Originally posted by jinzin
It not IDLI IDH... It's it wasn't on panel it didn't happen, or it isn't likely, it won't happen.

If someone only uses a power once in their career how does that possibly make it an effective forum ability? That's nonsense.

Originally posted by namorsubby
One, when did I say all DS feats are legitimate? Never, right? Okay. Just another example of your moronic absolutism.

Okay, name an instance besides ones involving those ridiculous Cap feats. Actually, cite one, quote one, something that resembles proof.

I need to show you one instance of you calling PIS on what other characters pitted against DS can do? Really?..... Really?

Originally posted by namorsubby
Also, are you really so dense that you don't realize that I'm purposely mocking your own brand of idiotic Sarcastic statements? Really?

Originally posted by namorsubby
Either way, I'm done here, but go ahead and post your clever reply. Don't expect a retort though.

Wolverine has one shotted Spider-man, beat Venom and Bone-clawerine was even putting the boots to Carnage.

I wonder how the guy established as being a superior version of Wolverine will do? Probably worse? I bet he loses!!! A million possbile loses out of a million!!!dur

^ Loses to an inferior version of himself a lot. Being a superior version of Wolverine apparently doesn't mean much.

Originally posted by jinzin
WHAT?!
You've been using DS punching WW and tagging flash as a baseline proof of what you think he can typically do free of PIS for 5 weeks at the LEAST. Don't play stupid now.

I need to show you one instance of you calling PIS on what other characters pitted against DS can do? Really?..... Really?

Are you so dense that you can't see your hypocritial bullshit is why I started that up in the first place?

Not one of substance anyway...

Carnage 7/10 still.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Carnage is "dead" and he isn't portrayed often to begin with.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There is no reason to really argue against it not being there,

In any case there's no way you can look at some one shot reference to a vague power, one ineffective example of him trying to use it then say what if anything it would supposedly do to Sabes.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I think the whole point was that melee really doesn't favor Sabes and that's what he has here.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Loses to an inferior version of himself a lot. Being a superior version of Wolverine apparently doesn't mean much. So what little piece of flesh did Sabretooth grow an entire new body again? You ever figure that out?

Carnage 7/10 still.

^ Clearly.

So how long did it take Sabretooth to grow an entire new body out of his balls? If it's quick, then I'd daresay that Carnage would have a hard time winning.

What's your time estimation on that?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Clearly.

So how long did it take Sabretooth to grow an entire new body out of his balls? If it's quick, then I'd daresay that Carnage would have a hard time winning.

What's your time estimation on that?

Depends on how excited he gets while he's healing.

^ Assume he was very excited since Wolverine had just diced him to mince-meat pieces according to you.

Originally posted by jinzin
WHAT?!
You've been using DS punching WW and tagging flash as a baseline proof of what you think he can typically do free of PIS for 5 weeks at the LEAST. Don't play stupid now.

I need to show you one instance of you calling PIS on what other characters pitted against DS can do? Really?..... Really?

Are you so dense that you can't see your hypocritial bullshit is why I started that up in the first place?

Not one of substance anyway...

I've said those things aren't PIS according to history, stated abilities, etc. They're not. Am I passing them off as an average level of formmidability, no. Just not PIS.

Yes, that's what you do when you want to prove what you say, Jinzin. You provide proof. Now provide some, or kindly shut your trap(I know you won't provide any or shut up, I'm just being colorful)

lol, Jinzin, please, this one is pathetic. You see me post a reply explaining how I was only mocking your sarcastic, absolutist idiocy with some of my previous statements, then you go and say at the end of it all......"uh, I was just mocking you with my stupidity in the first place"

lol, that's golden. You really are seriously dense if you expect me to believe that.

Alright, really, I'm seriously done. lol, whew......Jinzin, you are hilarious. 😆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Assume he was very excited since Wolverine had just diced him to mince-meat pieces according to you.

Actually that was according to Wolverine.

Let me ask you something Onedumb how come, even though this pissing contest took place 2 months back, and I'm TRYING to be friendly with you right now..........

You're STILL acting like a first class DICK with me? 😬

I mean **** man, this isn't something that's "according to me".. it was according to Wolverine, in the comic. You seriously don't want to just squash this already? Jeezuz.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Okay last one, really.

I've said those things aren't PIS according to history, stated abilities, etc. They're not. Am I passing them off as an average level of formmidability, no. Just not PIS.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Yes, that's what you do when you want to prove what you say, Jinzin. You provide proof. Now provide some, or kindly shut your trap(I know you won't provide any or shut up, I'm just being colorful)

In response to skilled marvel MA's doing standard feats with air shift sensing.

Originally posted by namorsubby
No, it doesn't, it makes it PIS.

A human does something that is generally considered "humanly impossible" in comics, then it is invalid. Doing something that surpasses what is "superhuman" in comics as a human would qualify as such.

Also, you should go ahead and cite an instance if you're going to argue that claim, because they are none here.

God man. I didn't even have to TRY to find that.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, Jinzin, please, this one is pathetic. You see me post a reply explaining how I was only mocking your sarcastic, absolutist idiocy with some of my previous statements, then you go and say at the end of it all......"uh, I was just mocking you with my stupidity in the first place'

^ And people using the term "mince-meat" hasn't been colloquially applied as just beating the utter crap out of an opponent?

Let me ask you something jinzin, my taking your "Sabretooth healed from mince-meat" argument dryly and the ridiculous conversation that ensued is solely indicative of me being a complete jerk... instead of being indicative of how ridiculous the argument was in the first place?

And trying to paint this as being personal? You act like I never debate other posters. I will say this though, you're developing a habit of accusing me of making it personal.

You don't want to discuss Sabretooth healing from mince-meat pieces, fine. No more discussion.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And people using the term "mince-meat" hasn't been colloquially applied as just beating the utter crap out of an opponent?

Let me ask you something jinzin, my taking your "Sabretooth healed from mince-meat" argument dryly and the ridiculous conversation that ensued is solely indicative of me being a complete jerk... instead of being indicative of how ridiculous the argument was in the first place?

And trying to paint this as being personal? You act like I never debate other posters. I will say this though, you're developing a habit of accusing me of making it personal.

You don't want to discuss Sabretooth healing from mince-meat pieces, fine. No more discussion.

All I can say is that I've already said what I have to about the matter. I've given you the context, the evidence that does exist and the supporting evidence around it happening or the possibility of it happening. But you act like all of this can't possibily make for a convincing argument. I've given you everything that's within my power to give you to support my argument, you casually scoff at it. Which is fine, we're all entitled to an opinion. But to sit there and continue to beat what is essentially a dead horse (because we both know that given the evidence you're set in your conviction to write it off) certainly makes this APPEAR quite personal.

Wolverine's healed from decapitation, and having all the flesh on his skeleton roasted to ash, he's healed from a drop of blood.... but Sabretooth who has an established faster HF than Logan which has been further upgraded can't do something he's said to have done because YOU decided it was ridiculous.... yeah.... that's a fair argument. 😐

^ I gave your assertions the complete benefit of the doubt: Sabretooth was reduced to literal mince-meat pieces. He completely healed.

I took your arguments dryly and asked you questions that would naturally flow from said feat. You can't accept that it veered into pure absurdity? Try taking a closer look at it before resorting to insisting that any such exercises are unwarranted because somehow I'm out to get you.

And I'm not beating a dead horse. I'm beating a stupid horse. And this stupid horse, i.e., "Sabretooth healed from a small piece of mince-meat flesh" . . . well, let's just say it richly deserved a beating.

Of course, we could go back to the dry-styled inquiry and analyze how Logan healing from a drop of blood that fell on a magic crystal somehow supports Sabretooth growing a new body from his left nut. By all means.

Testicular restoration *shudders*.

Anyways the vampiric ability is there, and there's no real reason to argue against it, and considering how Cassidy's symbiote bonds on a strong cellular level and is capable of a stronger bond and offense, it isn't that odd that it would be able to drain as well considering the nature of the suit. That makes going up close for Sabes even worse. All Cassidy has to do is keep him still, especially his wrists/arms and he's screwed, he doesn't have to grab him either, simply using the symbiote will do.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I gave your assertions the complete benefit of the doubt: Sabretooth was reduced to literal mince-meat pieces. He completely healed.

I took your arguments dryly and asked you questions that would naturally flow from said feat. You can't accept that it veered into pure absurdity? Try taking a closer look at it before resorting to insisting that any such exercises are unwarranted because somehow I'm out to get you.

And I'm not beating a dead horse. I'm beating a stupid horse. And this stupid horse, i.e., "Sabretooth healed from a small piece of mince-meat flesh" . . . well, let's just say it richly deserved a beating.

Of course, we could go back to the dry-styled inquiry and analyze how Logan healing from a drop of blood that fell on a magic crystal somehow supports Sabretooth growing a new body from his left nut. By all means.

It's a "stupid horse" according to you... but it came up because you don't think Sabretooth could take being ripped in half.... And that's ridiculous considering what his healing factor and Wolverine's have shown they can do.

Logan healed from a drop of blood and stated that it would be possible with an added amount of energy... how much energy was never stated. Is a healing factor 10-20x faster than his back at that time enough to reproduce the same feat? Apparently, because even if you want to ignore the statement that implies Sabretooth did it, we've SEEN Wolverine heal from being burned down to an adamantium Skeleton, no flesh, no blood.

Now I really don't care what you feel is "stupid" because you sure as hell don't have a problem with "stupid" when you're arguing your phantom bone theories all over the forum. You want to talk about the implications of what characters are supposing as though that's proof but when I do it, it's somehow now wrong in your opinion. You're never consistent.

And of course this line of thinking didn't stop you from conjuring that Carnage had his head split in two by a subway car but.....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Testicular restoration *shudders*.

Anyways the vampiric ability is there, and there's no real reason to argue against it, and considering how Cassidy's symbiote bonds on a strong cellular level and is capable of a stronger bond and offense, it isn't that odd that it would be able to drain as well considering the nature of the suit. That makes going up close for Sabes even worse. All Cassidy has to do is keep him still, especially his wrists/arms and he's screwed, he doesn't have to grab him either, simply using the symbiote will do.

It's not there... The only thing that even says "it's there" is some file that they had of Carnage while at that prison for one issue. And the only time he was apparently trying to use it, he failed.

It's a one shot nod to some power he never once possessed or used in fight so he's not getting it in a forum battle. 😬

This shouldn't require further discussion.

Originally posted by jinzin
It's not there... The only thing that even says "it's there" is some file that they had of Carnage while at that prison for one issue. And the only time he was apparently trying to use it, he failed.

It's a one shot nod to some power he never once possessed or used in fight so he's not getting it in a forum battle. 😬

This shouldn't require further discussion.

When did he try and fail to use it?