Sabretooth vs Carnage, who wins?

Ahh man, ZED I'm sorry... That is really flattering. I'm not trying to be rude or mean here I'm just getting agitated because you're using (and keep using) examples from comics that don't support the premise of your points. When you do that you're just spreading propaganda. I'm all for making your character out to be their toughest but this isn't the way to do it.

For instance, the Signs of the Boss ex: I'm sorry, but it's simply very hard to assume that Venom was on his knees due to the force of the hit, especially when you consider his powers, career and generally how weak that spider guy looked. From all appearances I would venture to say Venom fell to his knees due to the initial shock caused by poison that was injected in him. Exampled by the sheer amount of crap he puked out immediately after.
It shows that his symbiote can compensate for poisons sure.. but it doesn't show Venom taking vital damage from stabbing and eviseration. Again those legs didn't penetrate very deep, and they hit Brock all along his back. I never argued that he couldn't tank a lot of damagem but that's not even a lot of damage.. that instance doesn't support your argument fot vitals one way or the other at allllll.

The nightmare example doesn't either. When Wolverine gut checks Venom the next panel Venom is on the ground nursing the hit point.

Again this isn't necessarily a vital shot in comics (I'm going to assume I don't have to start pointing out right now how many people without healing factors have survived those kinds of wounds and gotten up from them no less), yes Venom got up, as one would expect him to, but it did hurt him.
And, when Wolverine surmised that he couldn't kill Venom "here"... he was making a reference to the fact that he might not be able to do it in the dream demon realm they were in at the moment, he also surmised that it wouldn't stop him from hurting Venom, and Venom didn't argue did he?
Either way, it doesn't prove your point because in the nightmare realm according to that arc he necessarily COULDN'T land a vital shot.

The Ongoing clone thing... Again the symbiote was developing powers as it went and became self sufficient and not reliant on a host with the exception of using them for food.
You kill Brock you beat Venom
The clone didn't work that way.
And there you go using artistic interpretations to support your point... that won't fly.

The She-hulk incident... Again very suspect, because that Venom was either displaced in time, or from another demension alltogether,, as were all the heroes and super villains that were summoned in that arc. I'd say that it did not appear as though Brock was anywhere to be seen in that comic, the symbiote sure, but not Brock in it.

Now.. We've seen the symbiote capible of stretching out to become very big looking but it's practically a body suit as soon as it merges with Brock again, always has been that way, I would assume that it's one of the reasons he was impressed with what he could do to his mass during the Madness. 😬

Carnage has never used the telepathic/psyonic abilities of his suit in battle, and telepathic abilities are wasted on Sabretooth as has been proven many many times. The suit does run through his blood stream but still suffers the same aformentioned limitations as they all do. There's no evidence to suggest otherwise.
And like you said, Logan only tagged his shoulder...that's not a vital blow by any means.

Also like you said, Anti-Venom has a "lack of weaknesses" I'm not really sure how you can go on pretending that it's strictly comparible to the good ol' Venom we grew up with. 😕

So far you've proven that Venom can tank most types of Damage and that he has a healing factor, we all knew that. But one knife stab to the shoulder, one gut check, a couple pin points to the back... those are not impressive enough to secure the position that Symbiotes can compensate for vital damages to their hosts.... a position that's already been countered by the deaths of several of Venom's children.... These examples are not only lacking in their ability to support your case but they are also literally NOTHING compared to what Sabretooth will compress into even a minute of battle in h2h in this fight.

I mean I can maintain that the symbiotes can tank a lot of damage for their hosts too, but do you really think they could take having their hosts throat ripped out, brain cut into, heart stabbed, neck broken, having a whole drilled right through their stomaches, or simply being diced into bits on the ground? Because thats the kind of damage Sabretooth can take and likely what kind he'll be apt to also dish out.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Lol Sabes has not demonstrated anywhere near the strength of Carnage, hell he hasn't shown strength feats like Spiderman, much less Venom or much less Carnage.

Speed, nope, Carnage is faster than Spiderman, where are these speed feats of Sabes.

Durability? Nope, Carnage's suit is vampiric. So Sabes healing advantage is negated. Plus Carnage is pretty much immune to his attacks and can attack him from the inside. Plus cloaking, distance attacks, and everything else he has too many advantages.

Carnage hasn't really proven a clear superiority to Spiderman in the speed department..

and again.... when the hell has he ever shown this vampiric ability on the field because I'm pretty sure I've read most of (all of?) his appearances and I haven't seen it...

Originally posted by Starscream M
cis is part of the character...unlike PIS.

carnage is a nut and oftentimes an idiot. creed is smarter and can find ways to beat carnage.

Originally posted by Starscream M
creed beats carnage because they're roughly equal in terms of strength, durabiltiy, and speed...but creed is far more skilled whereas cassidy is a nutcase with a few screws loose

Trying to hide these advantages under the blanket of Carnage isn't a skilled fighter doesn't wash.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Carnage and Venom problem has always been cis. If carnage used his abilities to there true potential he should destroy sabre-tooth, but sadly it very unlikely that carnage would.

And where are we on the notion that Carnage loses via his throat getting clawed? 😂

carnage takes out the pu$$y cat

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
They're not fairly equal in durability. At all. Sabretooth ain't shrugging off bullets and slashes without the wounds showing for it. The durability of his hide ain't anywhere near the malleable durability afforded to Carnage via symbiote. Carnage also edges him out in strength and speed.

If Sabretooth was only reliant on heavy duty punches, you would have a point on his durability affording him an advantage... but Sabretooth will likely be hacking and slashing, having a ball. The durability to evisceration is for shit as far as the symbiote goes. In terms of blunt force trauma Sabretooth's hide and bones can already compensate for class 60-100 blows and he has his uber healing factor on top of that. He can compensate for that just as well as Carnage can. But in a fight between the two Carnage's durability won't stop Sabretooth's claws.

Carnage edges him out in strength.... so what? Really... So what?
We're talking about a turbo version of Wolverine. Creed can tank superstrength with quite literally a smile on his face and if Ms. marvel couldn't make use of 65+ ton strength fighting Classic Sabes, Carnage has virtually no chance of capitalizing on a strength advantage now.

And IF Carage has any sort of speed advantage it will be so close between the two it won't be the difference maker here.

As of yet I'm not convinced this advantage even exists.

My opinion on this one has been changed. On paper it'd seem that Carnage does enjoy a decent advantage, but in practice I dont see it working as well. He has some glaring vulnerbilities, not the least of which are his weak mind and general cowardice when things are going badly. I will say he has a puncher's chance of spilling Creed's intestines with a single swipe if hes able to land it, but thats seeming more like the exception than the rule. Really Carnage hasnt been written has that impressive of a threat since Maximum Carnage.

Originally posted by jinzin
If Sabretooth was only reliant on heavy duty punches, you would have a point on his durability affording him an advantage... but Sabretooth will likely be hacking and slashing, having a ball. The durability to evisceration is for shit as far as the symbiote goes. In terms of blunt force trauma Sabretooth's hide and bones can already compensate for class 60-100 blows and he has his uber healing factor on top of that. He can compensate for that just as well as Carnage can. But in a fight between the two Carnage's durability won't stop Sabretooth's claws.

Carnage edges him out in strength.... so what? Really... So what?
We're talking about a turbo version of Wolverine. Creed can tank superstrength with quite literally a smile on his face and if Ms. marvel couldn't make use of 65+ ton strength fighting Classic Sabes, Carnage has virtually no chance of capitalizing on a strength advantage now.

And IF Carage has any sort of speed advantage it will be so close between the two it won't be the difference maker here.

As of yet I'm not convinced this advantage even exists.

Carnage doesn't need to capitalize on his slight strength advantage to be able to attack Creed effectively with his tendrils or fashioned stabbing/slashing weapons. His slight strength advantage just blunts anything Creed could manage with his own strength respectively.

Same. Carnage doesn't need superior agility to effectively attack Sabretooth. It just blunts Sabretooth's natural agility from being a factor as well.

Carnage's slight advantages in strength and speed respectively do not rise to the level of a game-changing advantage. Nor do they need to. His superior durability based on his symbiote's malleability and resiliency combined with its recuperative abilities + his ability to attack with every inch of his body (along with their vampiric touch) afford him that clear advantage over Sabretooth. This is notwithstanding any red herrings over how Carnage doesn't maximize his symbiote's potential. This is notwithstanding any outrageous claim that Sabretooth need only claw Carnage's throat to kill him.

low pain thresh hold exploitable.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Carnage doesn't need to capitalize on his slight strength advantage

I would just like to point out that Sabretooth is only capable of lifting a few tons. Carnage is classified as lifting 30 tons+. I would hardly say that's a slight advantage. With that kind of a gap, I've never really understood why some people on here so easily dismiss it when it comes to these kind of threads.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
low pain thresh hold exploitable.

A symbiote ripping up on another symbiote... I feel this shouldn't even be comparable.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
low pain thresh hold exploitable.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I would just like to point out that Sabretooth is only capable of lifting a few tons. Carnage is classified as lifting 30 tons+. I would hardly say that's a slight advantage. With that kind of a gap, I've never really understood why some people on here so easily dismiss it when it comes to these kind of threads.

i dont understand how ppl so easily dismiss sabes strength class as only being a few tons when on panel he has shown enough strength and durability to charge a repulsive field design for a heard of elephants or at least one mad charging one..

also i dont uderstand why ppl always insist that carnage is above the 30 ton range when the sym is only suppose to give the strength of spiderman the baseline then add onto it with the host of eddie and finally finish of with cassidy.. no way even if you square each host strength minus spiderman would one come close to 30+ strength.

^ Sabretooth aint no Spiderman. Carnage's strength on-panel is Spiderman-level, and on paper is superior.

And by that logic Brock + symbiote should be far inferior in strength to black-suited Spiderman. Obviously that isn't case. Don't conflate the two. And don't compound your mistake by then projecting that onto Carnage.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i dont understand how ppl so easily dismiss sabes strength class as onlybeing a few tons when on panel he has shown enough strength and durability to charge a repulsive field design for a heard of elephants or at least one mad charging one..

also i dont uderstand why ppl always insist that carnage is above the 30 ton range when the sym is only suppose to give the strength of spiderman the baseline then add onto it with the host of eddie and finally finish of with cassidy.. no way even if you square each host strength minus spiderman would one come close to 30+ strength.

Characters, at some point or another, will exceed their own limitations. The writers will bend their abilities however they want to suit the plot.

That's just what Carnage is listed as, dude.

the suit stole the genetic pattern of the spider hence its spiderman base line strength then it bonded with eddie which combined its strength of him and doubled it.. eddie has said it himself that is how the sym works.. which is why he would lift weights without the help of the sym so it would then multiply it later on.. so carnage sym should only have their added strength and his own since that is how the sym works minus carnage mutated sym.. which to me has yet to show anything near 30 tons.

also sabe is a trained fighter in both their style of fighting of claws evisceration and up close countering and maneuvers i am confident enough to say sabe can avoid the majority claw and stabs and give a lot more then he gets..

^ So Carnage's original symbiote being spawned from Venom gives the Carnage symbiote, Venom-class strength genetically. And that disproves Carnage's roughly 30-ton raneg, how... ? Never mind the fact that he's gone toe-to-toe with Venom and Spiderman multiple times on-panel?

Carnage isn't limited to claws and stabs. Don't pretend like you've never seen him fight.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
low pain thresh hold exploitable.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Carnage was weakened in that arc, generally like any time that they gang up on him to fight him like that.

Dude, as soon as Sam sees this, we're going to have a whole new debate on this forum...

like i already said and showed any forced tearing of the sym will cause the host pain.. its an exploitative tactic that sabe would capitalize on.. especially with his pain threshold being off the chart compared to the whiny cowardly kasady.