Originally posted by Mr MasterThis reasoning is only acheived through mixing pre and post retcon events. Please provide a scan of Beyonder post retcon achieving the same feat. Because Preretcon beyonder could do things that postretcon beyonder can not. Hence the retcon.
You should feel sorry for your obssession,
for Cube Beings can give others the FULL Power of the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by id369
To add on.
Galactus considers the Primordial God’s more of a threat, then post-retcon Beyonder.
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annihilationsilversurfenc1.jpg
And the Primordial Gods were stomped by Surfer and Beyonder got taken out by debris:
😬
So, I see the twisting of scans will not stop today.
From your own Bio, with clear scans so you can't fool the onlookers.
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To begin with,
the "Pocket Realm" they are referring to is the BeyonderS realm,
(which is already dumb)
NOT the Post-Retcon Beyonder's Universe:
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Second:
The Beyonder's Universe is referred to as a Realm,
No mention whatsoever whether it's a Universe/pocket dimension/or a House:
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Third:
The actual Beyonder's essence is referred to as "OMNIPOTENT" !!!!
This is WHY Thanos was afraid of letting lose the OMNIPOTENT essence inside ...
the REAL Beyonder:
Thanos says his only recollection of the Beyonder or Kosmos is Unlimited power...
he repeats this.
This is Thanos after having possessed a Cosmic Cube,
that made him a Universe ...
after having the Infinity Gauntlet that made him "God" ...
after having THOU ... which absorbed Living Tribunal.
Thanos should know a thing or two about power.
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Four:
This power-set is based on insane Kosmos's abilities,
which were greatly reduced because it took Mortal form:
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On Panel verification:
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That the REAL Beyonder was a whole other story:
Like I said, the Maker is a LIMITED version of the REAL Beyonder:
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In order to keep the essence of the Beyonder in prisoned within the Maker:
"The Mind is Dead...Do NOT kill the body"
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"a Living Prison"
"The ONLY prison capable of containing the Beyonder... it's essence"
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"had we killed the Maker Form ... the prisoner goes free"
"We would of ENABLED the thing we'd sought to prevent"
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(the destruction of the Universe that is)
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Am I lying?
That the Maker could have imploded the Universe on a whim if it had not gone mad.
"She could decide to reverse the Crunch on a whim, set the Universe to contracting"
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Uhh, no, Mr Master does not lie, unlike the one posting bios,
and yet, not disclosing what it says,
and knowing he can just add his own ideas, since the scan is completely unreadable.
Nice try, yet again. 😆
Is it the same Thanos who kept getting smacked down by odin while he kept trying to attack odin? For an omniscient source Thanos really fouled up there. Thanos is not a know all end all source of information. We are only shown what he thinks and what he thinks is the truth. this does not prove his statements to be true.
Originally posted by id369
Adding on, that post Retcon Beyonder can not call up on his previous pre retcon feats.
Infinity Crusade
Eternity does not consider "The Goddess" a direct threat to his existence.
Despite her acquiring the Cosmic Egg, which consists of 30 cosmic units/cubes.
The Magus put Eternity in a Coma with 5 Cubes.
The Magus also created from scratcha duplicate entire 616 Universe.
The Magus was also in the process of merging both the duplicate and 616 with said 5 Cubes.
Thanos became the entire 616 Universe with ONE Cube.
Doom (with a BABY Cube) not only stacked a Universe on top of 616,
but then the Red Skrull,
took the same baby Cube and stacked another Universe on top of the Two,
then came Magneto,
and also stacked yet another Universe on top of the Three.
Making a stack of FOUR UniverseS (one of which was 616)
(excerpt from the official Handbook 2006 Cube - Bio)
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This baby badboy created so much damage by doing this,
that it literally nearly collapsesd the entire Marvel OMNIVERSE!!!
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http://www.marvunapp.com/master/chaochaz.htm
CHAOS ENGINE -
Cosmic Cube created by Dr. Doom, used in effort to Re-Write Reality,
actually merged Earth-616 and Earth-892
to form Earth-Chaos Engine: Dr. Doom by Dr. Doom,
then used to further merge/Re-structure that Reality by Magneto
to form Earth-Chaos Engine: Magneto,
and then again by the Red Skull to form Earth-Chaos Engine: Red Skull;
"these alterations affected the entire OMNIVERSE and threatened all Reality"
Originally posted by id369Is that the same Thanos that considers Cosmic Egg flawed and does not grant true Omnipotence?
Originally posted by CreshoskIs it the same Thanos who kept getting smacked down by odin while he kept trying to attack odin? For an omniscient source Thanos really fouled up there. Thanos is not a know all end all source of information. We are only shown what he thinks and what he thinks is the truth. this does not prove his statements to be true.
Not to mention the Maker's own bio, which you fed on id369:
But now, that you can read this, it's inconsequential right id?
What's the point of debating with you people, yall,
accept GS's posts, but when I bring up the same scan and prove him wrong,
it's dismissed.
It was GS that brought that Maker bio,
you REPLIED to him:
Originally posted by id369To add on.
No offense, but that's hypocritical.
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So now Thanos is a bonehead, and is just hyperboling. 😂
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Perhaps Gladiator is hyperboling too:
They wanted to kill the Maker in it's vulnerable state...
Gladiator asks, "Can you kill a god?"
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Here Gladiator calls the Maker "the most powerful being in the known Universe"...
and again refers to it as a "god" ...
but it decided to take on mortal form, which made it vulnerable:
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I don't suppose Kubik's word count either:
Kubik tells us that if the Beyonder dies,
the entire infinite Multiverse will be messed up:
"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder,
Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"
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Bah, only what's stated in Phoenix books should be taken seriously right? dur
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Meh, I guess while we're at it,
we might as well also ignore,
what Eternity and the Living Tribunal stated about the REAL Beyonder:
Not only was he mucking up Reality on a MULTIVERSAL Scale ...
... but evidently AGAIN,
Beyonder is stated to encompass his OWN ENTIRE UNIVERSE,
where he is OMNIPOTENT!
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Not that it needs to be stated, as we ALL SAW it with our own eyes,
when Doom and company visited his ENITRE Whole Universe he embodied.
But again, since the Phoenix Force is not making these statements,
they really shouldn't matter. 🙂
Originally posted by id369But Galactus places the Primordial Gods above the Maker.
And this was the same Galactus that was defeated in Secret Wars 1 by Beyonder.
Originally posted by id369Pre Retcon and Post Retcon feats are not exchangeable for the current Beyonder.
That's ALL POST-Retcon baby. ✅
Nice try.
Originally posted by id369
I know Celestials are above Cube Beings, so?
On the otherhand,
Love how you ignored all the points I just presented,
including how you accepted GS's bio,
but when I presented the SAME bio with info you disliked, you dismiss it.
😆 (yall are the same) Blatant hypocrisy.
Originally posted by id369The moment you try to pass off a Pre Retcon feat,
on a Post Retcon character, you credibility plunged.
Btw. That's not a Pre-retcon Beyonder feat anymore,
Pre-retcon beyonder does NOT exist.
That's a POST-Retcon Beyonder feat, if you can't aacept it,
that's too bad.
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What's even funnier, LOL, I just found in the 2007 Bios,
Rachel being referred to again.
About how she managed to enter the Mkraan Crystal byboom bashing by Jahf,
how she intended to destroy the Universe with the Neutron Galaxy,
how she became one with the Universe.
Do you know HOW Rachel was able to do all that?
LOL .. you guessed it, with the power Beyonder gave her,
she entered the spirits of the X-Men into the Crystal, (just like Jean)
the power that made a Universal Force of Nature, (just like Jean)
the power of the Phoenix Force: (just like Jean)
(excerpt from the 2007 Handbook Bio - Mkraan Crystal)
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Jahf (first protector of the Mkraan Crystal) has only been defeated once,
when he fought the X-Men & Jean/Phoenix. (and it was a fight)
This time, Jahf gets bashed out the way like he wasn't even there by Rachel:
(X-Men enter the Crystal with Rachel, as the 2007 Bio confirms)
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Rachel (Full FP) touches every common being in the Universe:
You can read them completely but this excerpt from those scans says it all:
"She touches everyone, she experiences their dreams, their yearnings, their terrors,
all they were and are and hope to be,
the totality of their beings"
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Rachel also freaks out from the experience, but Storm is there to console her,
Because of Storm,
Rachel changes her mind about using the Neutron Galaxy to destroy the Universe:
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Just like the 2007 Bio confirms:
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How was she able to do this?
As the 2007 Bio clearly confirms she was going to be able:
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ONLY One possible way:
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As the Phoenix Force (just like Jean did before)
"She has become ALL she ever dreamed of -- and Far, Far more"
"The Phoenix rises anew"
"As JEAN GREY once faced this ultimate trial,
so NOW must her child, and as before,
the Fate of the Universe hangs in the balance"
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So the 2007 Bio confirms Rahcel had this power,
and was going to act with said power:
How did Rachel obtain said power?
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(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2004 - Marvel Girl bio)
"Beyonder once hinted
that Rachel could potentially become equal in power to the previous Phoenix.
Indeed,
the Beyonder granted Rachel the Full power that the previous Phoenix had possessed"
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This is POST-Retcon Beyonder (Cube Being) getting the credit for this.
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On Panel verification:
Beyonder gives Rachel the power:
