Originally posted by Mr Master
😆Now you can sway handbook writers. Oh this is too much.
Typical fallacy being posted. (you never change)
It was stated On Panel, as presented,
and it was confirmed in a 2004 Official Handbook Bio,
giving the CUBE BEING (POST-Retcon Beyonder the credit)Beyonder was RETCONNED in 1988 ... 😂
Nice try.
In case you missed the first time around.
Nope, what i can do is highlight what i believe to be an overlooked statement in Rachels bio.
So far the handbook writers have not been able to find where the handbook writer of the time got the information for that statement because it is not stated in any on panel scene ever.
The statement has remained within the bio ever since Rachel had a bio entry and has been left untouched. The statement was written prior to the Phoenix retcon when Phoenix was just an amped up Jean Grey and was also written during the Pre Retcon Beyonder era. 🙂
Once again, On panel> bio accounts.
You have presented scans of Beyonder giving Rachel power. NOWHERE is it stated that he gave her power the equal of the previous Phoenix.
Originally posted by Galan007If the above comic was published before '88,
then it was pre-retcon Beyonder, [despite what the bio says].
The Retcon did NOT nullify Beyonder's feats,
only minimized some of them.
This is why in Death's 2006 Bio,
POST-Retcon Beyonder is credited with ERASING Death from the Universe,
instead of the Multiverse:
So, if the 2004 Bio credits Beyonder,
with granting Rachel with the Full power of the Force,
then that's what it is.
Otherwise, the bio would've said something different,
like in the Death Bio.
Or perhaps this is another mistake, ey GS? 😂
Originally posted by 123KID
why not ?
it's still Beyonder just not the Beyonder as we knew him
bios still say he destroyed Death and now the Phoenix thing
his existence is different but apparently some of his feats are still canon
Cats are now trying to dismiss Beyonder's feats cause of the retcon. 😆
Why would the Bios add that info if it wasn't applicable to POST-Retcon Beyonder?
Man o man, comedy is the genuine article.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually homie,
the Feat above is POST-Retcon's Beyonder's too.The Retcon did NOT nullify Beyonder's feats,
only minimized some of them.This is why in Death's 2006 Bio,
POST-Retcon Beyonder is credited with ERASING Death from the Universe,
instead of the Multiverse:So, if the 2004 Bio credits Beyonder,
with granting Rachel with the Full power of the Force,
then that's what it is.Otherwise, the bio would've said something different,
like in the Death Bio.Or perhaps this is another mistake, ey GS? 😂
Nope, because at the time, Beyonder said Earths universe was a multiverse.
He said in the same issue that he was going to undo the hold the abstracts had over the universe, he then destroyed Death and the affects were said to be felt over the multiverse.
Just more evidence that some comic writers refer to 616 as a multiverse. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormNope,
what i can do is highlight what i believe to be an overlooked statement in Rachels bio.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSo far the handbook writers have not been able to find where the handbook writer of the time got the information for that statement because it is not stated in any on panel scene ever.
The statement has remained within the bio ever since Rachel had a bio entry and has been left untouched. The statement was written prior to the Phoenix retcon when Phoenix was just an amped up Jean Grey and was also written during the Pre Retcon Beyonder era.
None of this is stated anywhere.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Once again, On panel> bio accounts.You have presented scans of Beyonder giving Rachel power. NOWHERE is it stated that he gave her power the equal of the previous Phoenix.
........................................................................................
POST-Retcon Beyonder gave Rachel the FULL power of the embodiment of the Phoenix Force:
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2004 - Marvel Girl bio)
"Beyonder once hinted
that Rachel could potentially become equal in power to the previous Phoenix.
Indeed,
the Beyonder granted Rachel the Full power that the previous Phoenix had possessed"
........................................................................................
This is POST-Retcon Beyonder (Cube Being) getting the credit for this.
Heck, Cube Beings aren't even above Aspects of Eternity or even a single Celestial.
On Panel verification:
Beyonder gives Rachel the power:
Rachel becomes the Full embodiment of the Phoenix Force:
Literally what the previous Phoenix was.
Originally posted by GalacticStormNope, because at the time, Beyonder said Earths universe was a multiverse.
He said in the same issue that he was going to undo the hold the abstracts had over the universe, he then destroyed Death and the affects were said to be felt over the multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStormJust more evidence that some comic writers refer to 616 as a multiverse. [/B]
Originally posted by id369
In what issue did that take place GS?
Uncanny x-men 202.
NOWHERE has it ever been stated during that saga that Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the previous Phoenix.
The original statement was written Pre Phoenix retcon and during the Pre Ret Beyonder period and has never been changed.
I've brought this up to the handbook writers and they have said they can find no reference to it on panel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Continue to make things up, I'm enjoying your imagination. 🙂That was disproven in another thread,
I'll be glad to do it again.
No it wasn't Mr Master.
I countered your argument and you just reposted your argument again and again regardless.
Post a link to it and let others see. Do not make this thread go off on a tangent through your ton of reposts. 😬
Originally posted by id369I had no idea you could call up Pre-Retcon feat, on a Post Retcon Character.
........................................................................................
POST-Retcon Beyonder gave Rachel the FULL power of the embodiment of the Phoenix Force:
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2004 - Marvel Girl bio)
"Beyonder once hinted
that Rachel could potentially become equal in power to the previous Phoenix.
Indeed,
the Beyonder granted Rachel the Full power that the previous Phoenix had possessed"
........................................................................................
Remember,
everything Pre-retcon Beyonder did/was,
was,
converted to his POST-Retcon existence.
Certain feats were toned down, others were completely changed.
Like his battle with the Celestials,
the Celestials allowed him to win.
Like his Multiverse that was an Ocean,
in comparison with the Infinite Prime Multiverse that was a drop of water.
That was converted into just a Universe.
Like Death being erased across the Multiverse,
that was changed to a Universal feat.
The Phoenix Feat, was not changed,
therefore it still applies.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I had no idea POST-Retcon Beyonder was anything other:........................................................................................
POST-Retcon Beyonder gave Rachel the FULL power of the embodiment of the Phoenix Force:
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook [B]2004
- Marvel Girl bio)"Beyonder once hinted
that Rachel could potentially become equal in power to the previous Phoenix.Indeed,
the Beyonder granted Rachel the Full power that the previous Phoenix had possessed"........................................................................................
Remember,
everything Pre-retcon Beyonder did/was,
was,
converted to his POST-Retcon existence.Certain feats were toned down, others were completely changed.
Like his battle with the Celestials,
the Celestials allowed him to win.Like his Multiverse that was an Ocean,
in comparison with the Infinite Prime Multiverse that was a drop of water.That was converted into just a Universe.
Like Death being erased across the Multiverse,
that was changed to a Universal feat.The Phoenix Feat, was not changed,
therefore it still applies. [/B]
On panel evidence outweighs a contrary bio entry.
Why don't all of you take a visit to the handbook writers webiste and ask them for clarification on the matter?
Th epoint has never ever been stated. Therefore it i strue only in the opinion of that handbook writers mind.
Handbook writers are not infallible which is why there is a section in every bio giving the facility for readers to contact the handbook writers to address errors.
I have done this, the handbook statement can NOT be reconciled on panel 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Uncanny x-men 202.NOWHERE has it ever been stated during that saga that Beyonder gave Rachel the full power of the previous Phoenix.
This ... IS ... from Uncanny X-Men 202 ...
"She has become ALL she ever dreamed of -- and Far, Far more"
"The Phoenix rises anew"
"As JEAN GREY once faced this ultimate trial,
so NOW must her child, and as before,
the Fate of the Universe hangs in the balance"
😂
Originally posted by GalacticStormI've brought this up to the handbook writers
and they have said they can find no reference to it on panel.
Originally posted by id369
Ok so, Dr. Doom getting his ass handed to him despite having Galactus power is still a credible feat for Post Retcon Beyonder?
Exactly.
Beyonder also dismissed all of the great cosmics as he was about to destroy Death teleporting them away like they were nothing, he repulsed Galactus leaving him out for the count for most of Secret Wars. Was that addressed?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable,
in the face of the scanned proof, you lie.This ... IS ... from Uncanny X-Men 202 ...
"She has become ALL she ever dreamed of -- and Far, Far more"
"[B]The Phoenix rises anew
""As JEAN GREY once faced this ultimate trial,
so NOW must her child, and as before,
the Fate of the Universe hangs in the balance"😂
😆 [/B]
I fail to see where its stated that Beyonder gave Rachel the full power the previous Phoenix possessed.
Your argument is pure supposition. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormExactly.
Originally posted by GalacticStormBeyonder also dismissed all of the great cosmics as he was about to destroy Death teleporting them away like they were nothing
The Cosmics left on their own,
cause Molecule Man came into the scene.
MM, being the good fellow he is,
even asked nicely.
How many more times will you state untruths GS?
How may more?
Originally posted by GalacticStormhe repulsed Galactus leaving him out for the count for most of Secret Wars. Was that addressed?
Not to me.
