WC Phoenix runs a mini DC gauntlet!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, I agree that 15104 is a possible future of 616,
like the many, many other "possible" Futures.

To name a few ...

2099, GOTG (3100)
Bishop's,
Cable (Earth 4935)
Kang (Earth-6311)
Korvac (Earth-691)
Stryfe (Earth-4935
Ahab-Nimrod-Marvel Girl (Earth-811)
Holocaust-X-Man (Earth 295)

Meh, this arc takes place in a 616 Timeline in the year 3099:

That's FAR beyond Scott's 2154.

(so which is the true, direct Future? .... Yea I know, take your pick.

Hehe, that’s was worth chuckle.
The answer is simple, for New X-Men #150-155, the occurrences of “Here Comes Tomorrow”, was the direct future to the 616 verse [B]BEFORE the event adjustmenttook place. After the event adjustment, future to be, was replaced and now becomes an alternate/parallel reality, reality 15104.

Make no mistake about it, that is 616 Jean we saw in “Here Comes Tomorrow”, and there is one “White Phoenix of the Crown”, incidentally 616 Jean remembers the incidents that took place in “Here Comes Tomorrow” [X-Men: Phoenix End Songs #5, page 16 - panel 1 &2].

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sure she did. but Not On Panel, in Bios or according to Grant Morrison.

The Universe manifested and The “Nudge” Phoenix performed through the manifested universe; as depicted in the Comic Book. Along with the Official bios, that reinforce the occurrences [1] , [2] , [3] . Or the Authors own words [/]1[/], conceding with graphic rendition in issue 154.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The on panel account doesn't interfere with the bio's relevant info in any sort of way.

Oh so it isn’t a brief bio, with imperfections?
So they put Jean's first move as her second, and her second as her first,
big deal, doesn't change the FACT,
that both the first and second account took place, regardless of the order.

Bios aren't perfect, I'll definitely agree on that - Mr. Master

Yes the bio made a mistake in its chronological depictions. And Yes it gives a vary brief overview. I never once claimed, the overview (from which I highlighted) was incorrect.

Originally posted by Mr Master
but the On Panel evidence ties in perfectly
with Mine and Grant Morrison's interpretation ... which agree 100%

Originally posted by Mr Master
So you think in order for Jean to reach one individual in a specific point in Time,
(from withIN the WHR where Time is meaningless)
Jean needs to manipulate an entire Timeline?

.... Tell me you're joking.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, even though it's clearly labeled as an,
"an orphan Universe ... it lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the megasystems"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't tell me ... you're under the impression that 616 can be severed,
and left stranded disconnected from the Multiverse?

Momentarily, its what happened in New X-Men page 22 - panel 4

Originally posted by Mr Master
When 616 is the foundation of the Omniverse, core of the SAME Multiverse,
when 616 Eternity possess the full power of the infinite Multiverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
(that's another thing ... this simple Feat (which Uatu performed more impressively)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is NOT and NEVER has been referenced (even alluded to) in Eternity's Bio,
and EVERYTHING that concerns the complete influence of 616 is mentioned.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wrong!!!

It's the SAME Universe/Timeline that Phoenix disinfected (15104)
it's the SAME Universe/Timeline whose Future was disconnected (15104)
it's the SAME Universe/Timeline that houses a "broken hearted Beast"
an "Emma leaving, X-Men quitting" Cyclops. (15104)
it's the SAME Universe/Timeline Jean "symbolically waters with her heart's blood" (15104)
(going into the Past and changing Scott's mind)

Which is an effortless Feat withIN the WHR (beyond Space/Time)

Betsy (withIN the WHR) connecting to ALL her Alternates with a thought:

Let put it to you on simpler terms. Unless you find an official bio or Grant Morrison establishing “Here Comes Tomorrow” was in fact a separate reality “15104 reality“, that predates issue 150-155 release. In that short lived arc, the future reality, was 616 future period. Your argument has no weight, since realties that once stemmed from 616 universe, are later labeled as separate reality with an assigned number. Yet you want to argue an isolated event that predates, and leads to the creation of a parallel reality.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Reality 15104 manifested in Jean's hands.
Jean has no idea what it is, or what to do with it:

shes like a gardener of universes! if she wanted to she could proly keep grafting off divergent realitys and build her own multiverse.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Or it's yours.

Originally posted by xjustice69x
shes like a gardener of universes! if she wanted to she could proly keep grafting off divergent realitys and build her own multiverse.

Originally posted by id369
Hehe, that’s was worth chuckle.

I mean, what else yer gonna do? 🙂

Originally posted by id369
The answer is simple, for New X-Men #150-155, the occurrences of “Here Comes Tomorrow”,
was the direct future to the 616 verse BEFORE the
event adjustmenttook place.
After the event adjustment,
future to be, was replaced and now becomes an alternate/parallel reality,
reality 15104.

Hmm, I wonder how she amputated Reality 15104's Future,
if it hadn't been created till the "Live Scott" scenario?

And I wonder why the Bio claims that Reality 15104 was created in issue #150?

😆 (see this circle?)

Anywho ...

As far as Reality 15104 is concerned,
that definitely started in #150
(Phoenix was still in her incubation Egg at this point)
She had just died one page prior,
when Magneto/Xorn fried her to death
and exploded the actual Phoenix Force itself into Billions of pieces) - Canon!

"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104 began in issue#150)

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Here's the On Panel verification:

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Jean dies on page 30 of New-Xmen #150

Page 31 of New-Xmen #150 - and 150 YEARS have passed (funny)

we are in Reality 15104

Page 01 in New X-Men #151 - starts at 150 Years in the Future (Reality 15104)

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Originally posted by id369
Make no mistake about it, that is 616 Jean we saw in “Here Comes Tomorrow”,
and there is one “White Phoenix of the Crown”,

And? ... Who ever said that wasn't 616 Jean?

Originally posted by id369
incidentally 616 Jean remembers the incidents that took place in “Here Comes Tomorrow” [X-Men: Phoenix End Songs #5, page 16 - panel 1 &2].

We know it's Jean, so what?

Originally posted by id369
The Universe manifested and The “Nudge” Phoenix performed through the manifested universe; as depicted in the Comic Book. Along with the Official bios, that reinforce the occurrences [1] , [2] , [3] . Or the Authors own words [/]1[/], conceding with graphic rendition in issue 154.

Nice try.

Originally posted by id369
Oh so it isn’t a brief bio, with imperfections?
So they put Jean's first move as her second, and her second as her first,
big deal, doesn't change the FACT,
that both the first and second account took place, regardless of the order.

Bios aren't perfect, I'll definitely agree on that - Mr. Master

Yes the bio made a mistake in its chronological depictions.
And Yes it gives a vary brief overview.
I never once claimed, the overview (from which I highlighted) was incorrect.

Already showed you,
how easily Betsy connected to countless Alternates of hers effortlessly withIN the WHR,
you ignored it, but here it is again:

Understand friend, it's a place beyond space/time.

So we still here.

Originally posted by id369
Your incoherent interpretation, does not match the on panel verification with supplemental information provided by the Bio and the writer (Grant Morrison).

You're actually serious. 😂

Originally posted by id369
Yet its how Grant Morrison wrote it,
and Marc Selvestri portrayed it in Marvel Comic’s New X-Men.
I am neither the writer or the artist.

Doesn't mean your evil, so I don't hate ya.

Originally posted by id369
Well its labeled as an orphan universe,
because it was plucked out from its parent the Multi-verse.
It still does not take away the fact that it is a Universe in its entirety.

It will all be shut down in my last post.

Originally posted by id369
Momentarily, its what happened in New X-Men page 22 - panel 4

Originally posted by id369
Maybe that’s why the Phoenix Conscious was concerned, and stated it had limited amount of time [New X-Men #154, page 21 - panel 1] .

Yea, yet, Quentin told Jean if it was him he'd just let it die, like who

Would Quentin really suggest that about 616, if that'd really been 616?

Heck NO!

616 dies, all of Marvel dies ... if that bonehead can't be ignorant to that Fact.

That right there, let's you know of it's insignificance.

Originally posted by id369
Uatu feats, has no reverence to this topic.

Uatu carries around in his chest the 616 Universe,
power and core of the infinite Multriverse ... in His Chest.

Why?

Cause that the Reality/Timeline 311 ... the Past of 616 the year 1602.

Then again, those Watchers have surprised me. 👆

Originally posted by id369
The amputated future, was 616 future.
NOT a separate reality,
BEFORE Jeans actions that set the course for a different future.
Once the future was changed, the former past becomes 15104.

Reality 15104 (Here Comes Tomorrow) began in issue #150.

Nice try.

Originally posted by id369
Let put it to you on simpler terms.
Unless you find an official bio or Grant Morrison establishing “Here Comes Tomorrow” was in fact a separate reality “15104 reality“, t
hat predates issue 150-155 release.
In that short lived arc, the future reality, was 616 future period.
Your argument has no weight, since realties that once stemmed from 616 universe, are later labeled as separate reality with an assigned number. Yet you want to argue an isolated event that predates, and leads to the creation of a parallel reality.

Originally posted by id369
616’s future was amputated and treated.

Phoenix proceeded to conjure 616 reality,
because it deemed its friends deserved better .
Interesting, now you have the nerve to claim,
Phoenix willingly manifested Reality 15104 in her hands,
in order to save her friends?

lmao

The poor girl didn't even know what was going on,
Jean didn't even know what she had in her hands:

And this guy has her "conjuring 616 reality" here. ... LOL.

Originally posted by id369
Its through this reality that Jeans Nudges 616 Cyclops,
that resides within the manifested Universe.

Ok this should end this.

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Reality 15104 manifested in Jean's hands.

Jean has no idea what it is, or what to do with it:

Jean:

"Did I have to fix something that was dying? ... WHAT IS IT?"

The Force:

"A badly wounded orphan universe ... Phoenix work"

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Ok ... so WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

(Jean asks too, while looking at Reality 15104 in her hands) 🙂

Jean:

"But ... but WHAT's THAT supposed to mean?"

Jean is TOLD WHAT THAT MEANS:

Force:

"That Henry's (Beast) heart is broken ...
that Scott succumbs to loneliness and doubt"

Jean:

"Are these words FROM the FUTURE?" .... ✅ (reality 15104 is still in her hands)

WHAT DOES Jean ASK? ... WHAT DOES Jean ASK? ... lulz ...

WHY would Jean be seeing the finality of "Here Comes Tomorrow" in Reality 616?

When "Here Comes Tomorrow" is situated in Reality 15104 ... ka-dur
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Of course they're from this possible Future, (reality 15104)
because those are the results of the "Here Comes Tomorrow" Future:

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Henry's frustration lead to him unwittingly creating Sublime,

and Scott's loneliness (no Emma) and doubt (leaving the X-Men)

was what literally created "Here Comes Tomorrow"

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Quentin tells Jean how to make Reality 15104 grow a new Future:

"to REPLACE the one you just cut away" (amputated)

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Because as we Know it was Reality 15104's Future she cut away:

"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"

✅ (it should end here, but wait ... there's more)

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According to my man right here, this is supposed to be 616,
well we already know it isn't, but let's entertain the thought.

Yet, Quentin refers to This Reality as if it were insignificant:

"If it was me, I'd just let it die"

Hmm, I'll just let the Prime Reality ... (616) ... (foundation of all Creation) ... die. dontgetit

Is this a joke?

Enough? ... Enough right? ... No? ... Jeesh.

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Still the SAME Reality that was always in her hands since,

"Did I have to fix something that was dying? ... WHAT IS IT?"

Now Jean helps it grow a "New Future" like Quentin said,
to "REPLACE" the one she cut away, like Quentin said word for word.

She mind rapes Scott on 616 from withIN the WHR,
and as yall saw,
even Betsy can connect with her Alternates across TimelineS with a thought,
withOUT the need to manifest said Realities they reside in.

Reality 15104 as it stands currently is a divergent future of 616 that was absorbed into the White Hot Room by Jean Grey.

It branched off from 616 at the point that Cyclops turned his back on Emma.

As a divergent/alternate reality it shares the same history as 616 up until that point of divergence.

15104 was the direct future of 616 until Jeans intervention. 15104 never became a divergent reality until Jean amputated the 616 timeline just before Cyclop's response to Emma. By altering Cyclops response, Jean replaced the Here Comes Tomorrow future with what we're currently reading in Marvel publications right now.

It was at that point of replacement that that future gained its own designation. Before Jeans intervention it was 616.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Irrefutable counter evidence usually does that.

I mean, what else yer gonna do? 🙂

*sigh* hopefully not lot lose track, of the topic at hand. And give into to much; of an exchange of puns, put downs, or antagonistic remarks.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Here Comes Tomorrow" (Reality 15104 began in issue#150)

Incorrect, Reality 15104 did not begin in issue #150, it marks its first appearance in issue 150. The Bio CLEARLY states FIRST APERACE , which correlates with the comic introduction; 150 years into the future, followings the events that took place in Planet X (New X-Men #150 page 31 & 32 )

What lead to the Apocalyptic future was later revealed. It was Scott’s decision not openings the institution (along with leaving Emma.) [New X-Men #151 page 19 , 20 , & 21 .]

Phoenix choice of intervention was to manifest the universe , only to ensure that Scott ( That resides within the manifested universe ) gets back with Emma and Reopens the institute. The End result is clear, established and confirmed. “Here Comes Tomorrow”, never comes to be [New X-Men #154, pages 23 & 24 ]. 616 chronology from that point on, follows a different future curse. The now severed and replaced future (The breaking point, being Scott’s original decision) is regarded as reality 15104.

Note: In the comic book, and questionnaire never lays mention of “Here Comes Tomorrow” as pertaining as an alternate reality. It was the original chronological future, before the intervention of the Phoenix. Its what “Here Comes Tomorrow” plot revolves around, intervening to replace a future for a better one. After the release of “Here Comes Tomorrow”, now Marvel assigns it as an alternate reality with its designated number 15104. This is because, now currently as you read Marvel X-Men, “Here Comes Tomorrow” never comes to be, becoming an alternate reality.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Make no mistake about it?"

And? ... Who ever said that wasn't 616 Jean?

Originally posted by Mr Master
And? ... What does this prove?

We know it's Jean, so what?

it was Reality 15104 the entire tiem

In regards to your claim, that Here Comes Tomorrow took place in reality 15104. Why is 616 Jean intervening in the matters of 15104? Why is 616 Jean intervention, specify manipulating 616 Cyclops, to intervene 15104 reality? When the comic, questionnaire, and bio regard 616 Cyclops actions, incite Its future that leads to the mini Arc “Here Comes Tomorrow”.

And yet its 616 Jean, in 616 reality after the incidents of issue 151-154 that remembers her own actions, in “Here Comes Tomorrow“. Because reality 15104 was previously, took place in 616 chronology before its final intervention.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Uatu did the same thing with Reality 311 (the year 1602 of the 616 Universe)
Uatu held it in his hands, and then placed that entire Universe within himself.
That entire Universe of course was a Timeline just like Jean's,
and a "Tiny" one at that, because it was a young Reality just like Jean's 15104.

[LIST]
Phoenix Regards it as a Wounded Orphan Universe . That’s when it was plucked from its parent the “Megasystems.”

[*] Wounded - From the amputation that took place. A segment of that timeline was cut, to be repaired. - [ New-Men #154 page 20]
[*] Universe - it is referred to as a universe at in its entirety. NO evidence or specifies are placed anywhere regarding age. Only its wound from the amputation that just took place. - [/]bio[/]
[*]Megasystems - the Phoenix Conscious referrers Multiverse. - [/]Bio[/]
[/LIST]

As a divergent/alternate future, 15104 IS 616 up until the point of divergence.

That means that if you cut away that future, if you cut away at the timeline up until that point of divergence, you are left with the main trunk.....616.

Jean telekinetically cuts away the WHOLE future:

She asks the Consciousness if this future she has just away is THE future i.e is that what her reality is destined to go through.

The Consciousness replies and referring to the amputated future says "This is NOW!" i.e that is what is currently in store for 616.

The Consciousness blames Jean for 616 being destined to that fate and basically says that she lost track of her duties she became too “emotionally engaged”

Jean gets distressed and says my friends don’t deserve that” (This is Jean of 616, if this was a different reality why would she call the people within her friends and be so concerned about their future?)

i.e her friends don’t deserve to be fated to go through a future like Here Comes Tomorrow.

The Consciousness gives her a solution. It tells her to “Turn around”, it says “Here, Before, Always” (Referring to the nature of the White Hot Room within the M’kraan crystal, how it doesn’t obey the laws of time/space.)

Jean looks around and sees the M’kraan crystal.

(As this is happening the Here Comes Tomorrow future in Jeans hand is carried away by a birdlike black claw.)

It refers to the White Hot Room within the crystal as the hospital.

It tells Jean to heal the wound in the “hospital” (She has after all just “amputated” part of the timeline) by growing it a new future.

Oh God.

Within the White Hot Room Jean is surrounded by the other avatars.

The Consciousness says in the first panel that “telekinetic control of all of those atoms isn’t as easy as it looks in training”

Jean demonstrates how she’s a straight A student by manifesting the 616 universe within the palm of her hand with no discernible effort, having total control of its atomic structure.

(There used to be talk about how this wasn’t a universe or when that was disproven that she could only do it inside the White Hot Room, but bearing in mind that on the previous page from OUTSIDE the White Hot Room, Jean had just telekinetically amputated and carried away the future of the 616 universe and given that there was no mention of an alleged empowerment, such comments are unfounded and must be struck off as speculation.)

Confirming the feat, Jeans official bio was updated to include within her powerset the ability to manipulate atomic structures on a universal scale:

Being disoriented from her premature awakening from her Phoenix egg Jean questions what she’s there to do and the Consciousness reasserts that she needs to fix the universe.

Originally posted by Val
Oh God.

runforhills

Containing the universes atomic structure within her palm, Jean gazes into it still unsure of her task.

She hears words from within the 616 timeline. “Every diamond has a flaw” “Are these words from the future” (All of these contained within the pages of New X-men thereby giving yet more proof that the reality she manifested and hold in her hand within the crystal was 616:

Prof X: “Are these words from the future?”

Quentin Quire tells her that if she wants to grow a new future to replace the one she cut away she must water it with her hearts blood, i.e she must sever all emotional links with the 616 reality so that she can perform her Phoenix Work.

Quentin mutters that he’d just let the universe die, indicating how little any one reality is in the scheme of things to a Phoenix.

Jean ignores him; she gazes into the reality in her hand and says “Live Scott Live”

This application of power resulted in 616 Cyclops changing his reaction to Emma, once again confirming that reality she manifested within the crystal as 616.

A few questions Mr Master.

If the reality Jean manifested in her hand wasn't 616 then why would Jean call the people within her friends and why would she be so concerned about their future?

The Here Comes Tomorrow future was amputated by Jean as stated and carried away BEFORE she went into the WHR. On top of that it was green in colour. What makes you think the reality she manifested within the crystal was HCT?

If the reality Jean manifested wasn't 616 then why would she hear events that happened within 616 as she gazed into it?

If the reality she manifested wasn't 616 then why would she apply her power to it, only for there to be changes seen in 616?

I'm going to learn alot here.... The scans are coming soon!